Voldemort vs. Ganondorf (Twilight Princess)

Originally posted by quanchi112
1. What other instance of it would you compare with the killing curse ? It countered it in that instance. You really lack common sense.
2. He dies. Clearly dies.
Triforce of power fades from view and he's dead. Lol.
3. It counters but can be easily blocked by any common schleps sword.
😂

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
1. You seem to be implying that's the only use of it.
2. Prove that.
3. Prove that as well.

2. That's obvious since the top fades and his eyes flutter. Prove he was napping.

3. We see it parried in the game and that it can counter the top since it does. That's its purpose.

Originally posted by quanchi112
1. You said its more powerful to my obvious its a counter in this instance. Then you say other examples which has nothing to do with sacrifice and can't answer the question out of ignorance.

2. That's obvious since the top fades and his eyes flutter. Prove he was napping.

3. We see it parried in the game and that it can counter the top since it does. That's its purpose.

2. I don't have to, I never made a claim on the matter, I'm just highlighting your ignorance. IE, prove he dies, since you claimed it.

3. Show me one time it's parried by a sword other than the one Ganondorf himself wields.

And no, it's purpose is not to counter the ToP, lol. Don't pretend to know about things you don't.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
1. It's pointed out by Dumbledore as being powerful, sinking your 'it's just a counter' argument.

2. I don't have to, I never made a claim on the matter, I'm just highlighting your ignorance. IE, prove he dies, since you claimed it.

3. Show me one time it's parried by a sword other than the one Ganondorf himself wields.

And no, it's purpose is not to counter the ToP, lol. Don't pretend to know about things you don't.

Purpose is to combat evil aka Dorf. Lol.

1. Prove that's it's only use.
2. Prove he lost the ToP at all? haermm
3. Prove anything else ever parried it. Especially considering Link within this very game used the Master Sword to destroy a magical sword Zant created. 😄

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
1. Prove that's it's only use.
2. Prove he lost the ToP at all? haermm
3. Prove anything else ever parried it. Especially considering Link within this very game used the Master Sword to destroy a magical sword Zant created. 😄

2. It fades from his hand. You are too slow to comprehend what's going on.

3. Any knight in the game he faces can parry his attacks. His training also makes it clear he needs skills to defeat his foes. Critical think, kiddo.

1. Prove that.
2. That's relevant how?
3. There are nearly no cutscenes of Link's non boss enemies, so please go ahead and try to prove they can do any such thing.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
1. Prove that.
2. That's relevant how?
3. There are nearly no cutscenes of Link's non boss enemies, so please go ahead and try to prove they can do any such thing.

2. We see it favor him earlier by flashing on his hand showing it favors him.

3. You don't need cutscenes to prove it. That's how stupid you are and how you want to ignore his canon training.

Originally posted by quanchi112
1. That's he only instance and it only works to counter the spell. Common sense it doesn't work unless someone is trying to hurt one of your loved ones. You can't sacrifice your life if no one is in danger.

2. We see it favor him earlier by flashing on his hand showing it favors him.

3. You don't need cutscenes to prove it. That's how stupid you are and how you want to ignore his canon training.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
1. This doesn't prove that's the only use of love in magic, at all.
2. It flashed on his hand when he gained it, cool story. Link's triforce is invisible most of the time, he's certainly not dead.
3. You need more than gameplay to prove it, that's for sure. Link's canon training? You mean with the spirit of OoT Link?

2. Flashed away to signify it abandoned him.

3. Canon training proves his attacks can be parried by his enemies.

Originally posted by quanchi112
1. This spell it proves it. I don't need to disprove your negative. This love spell requires self sacrifice.

2. Flashed away to signify it abandoned him.

3. Canon training proves his attacks can be parried by his enemies.

2. Prove this is what happened.

3. You mean the training with Ocarina of Time Link? haermm Again this proves nothing, especially not concerning his enemies. That training doesn't even take place in the physical world, dumbass.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
1. Prove it's the only love spell, love is powerful magic, hard to claim that with only a single spell to support it.

2. Prove this is what happened.

3. You mean the training with Ocarina of Time Link? haermm Again this proves nothing, especially not concerning his enemies. That training doesn't even take place in the physical world, dumbass.

2. You don't understand it that's fine. I can't force you to understand things.

3. The advice is solid. He knows he can be parried since he's wielded the same sword, dumbass.

Originally posted by quanchi112
1. I don't have to since your claim is its greater only was in reference to this. You claimed it wasn't so proof is on you anyways.

2. You don't understand it that's fine. I can't force you to understand things.

3. The advice is solid. He knows he can be parried since he's wielded the same sword, dumbass.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
1. Prove I claimed that, I'm just trying to get you to actually back up your own claim that 'counters don't need to be powerful!11' Which you have not.
2. And apparently I can't teach you basic math.
3. Show OoT Link saying the sword can be parried by a normal blade.

3. Implies it since he needs skill to defeat his enemies. We see the blade parried anyways.

Originally posted by quanchi112
1. Counters are simply counters. This is common sense. If someone uses brass knuckles and throws a punch and I counter by punching his nuts that doesn't mean my blow was more powerful just a counter. Common sense.
2. No place in fictional universes for the most part.

3. Implies it since he needs skill to defeat his enemies. We see the blade parried anyways.

Probably some spoilers for Skyward Sword in here somewhere. Forgot how to do the spoiler thingy. Deal with it.

I feel obligated to explain something: The Master Sword itself has its origins in Skyward Sword (ugh).

It was created by the Goddess (only one in Zelda mythos) and inhabited by a part of her. This makes it a deific level artifact, actually.

It's purpose was to defeat Demise, the Demon Lord or something like that. He bears a suspicious resemblance to Ganondorf. Eventually, he is defeated by the Original Link and Zelda (who do what countless Fanfic's probably have said they did already and get married)
These two seal the Master Sword away in what becomes the Temple of Time, for if a reincarnation of Demise ever appears (which he said would happen, and he would be coming after their descendants)
And then one of them gets a part of the Ultimate Power, which, on it's own, was merely the Goddess of Strength's power. Seriously. All of it (because some dragons or some shit ascended to godhood or something)

Meaning pieces of the Triforce are Deific artifacts that can't be removed without death (one of which makes the user immune to death)
And the other is a deific+ weapon (holding a part of the supreme deity inside it) which directly counters this thing.

So yeah. I don't remember everything from Skyward Sword, but that's pretty much where the Master Sword came from.

Originally posted by quanchi112
1. It kills those without the showings to survive this. You need to prove he can survive this. The spell kills those without magical resistance. Simple.
2. He becomes stronger sure but not through the roof like you want to claim. Link and Ganondorf aren't universal and experience pain. They are humanoid characters similar to humans with the same feelings, emotions, motives so it clearly works unless you can prove otherwise. Dorf clearly feels pain. Boom.
Thanos and what not can resist mental attacks though so that's proven resistance. Boom.
3. We don't see the castle immediately fall but who cares. It is off screen and speculation no matter how desperately you cling to it.
Dorfs body can still be hurt by other swords yet the top can resist the effects within reason since the hole is still there. The sword can kill him while both swords can clearly hurt him. The av kills him due to its function just like the master sword can kill him since that's its function. Complete body annihilation can also kill him. Crucio can torture him since he feels pain without mental resistance feats.
Gameplay. Clearly injures him just doesnt finish him. Yes, since swords clearly hurt him and can hurt humans. He is harder to kill than humans but well crafted weapons cut into their skin all the same.

2. ..and again, what of what I said made you want to talk about Link getting stronger.. and whats this talk about emotions? They may experience pain but the level of pain etc of what they can take can't be compared.
You can prove the spell is a mental attack and not one that creates pain, as it says on the tin? Also, nice dodge. I'm asking you if you believe that any character in fiction that has felt pain will be twitching in agony from this spell, no matter how extremely powerful they are?
Also, what's with the 'boom'?

3. Because we see it explode? And that doesn't negate the timing that's been proven. Going with Occam's, the simplest explanation from everything we see and know without jumping on extra theories is that he survived. The most basic answer. Adding in teleportation or something would require further proof.

Referring to pre-ToP again, and treating the MS like a normal sword, again. And right after admitting the MS effects him in a weakness kind of way.

Admitting that Dorf can be struck several times from deadly and powerful things and not die? Not only that but be proven to be in a perfect combat condition after it?
Note your words; "He is harder to kill than humans but well crafted weapons cut into their skin all the same". A 'well crafted' weapon to cut, cripple and kill a human is human strength+knife. After the arrows, iron balls, magical arrows, bombs and slashes.. Ganondorf can still get up and jump back into a fight. Gameplay and cutscene supported. Now we know that not only is the durability of a human far below Dorf's, but so's their damage and pain threshold.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Knocking a human back 20 feet is impressive since its just one little force bolt. Links never packed that wallop with his sword. Somewhat weakened. Did you not watch the scene ? Not even close since the continuous beam really destroyed it quickly. We see Voldemort's fireballs far bigger than Professor McGonagalls. He's far more powerful and the greatest wizard in the movies. This is magic it's clear the power was required to destroy it not like it was sheet metal.
We know Toms blast is stronger than a reinforced magical disintegration shield. We also know far greater than Bulbins henchmen that can ko Link.

I'm sayin unless there is magical resistance or mental resistance but this guy can be wrecked by swords so relax.

That's your logic in a nutshell and how shitty it is. Your logic is that moronic. If a black hole just kills a human your logic says if we assume something greater than its a no limits fallacy. It's hilariously bad.

A disintegration shield with the only durability feat of taking hits from 20ft-human-flicking spells, AKA Tom's beam > blast that knocks humans across a room.

5(I guess..). I don't think the Marvel characters I mentioned have a death curse specific resistance, would they all die? What about a planet-sized monster with no mental/magical/death resistances? Can you tell me that Tom can bring a planet-sized monster down to painful tears or death due to these two spells?

Only your misinterpretation, my logic is based around what we know, usually coming from feats we can quantify. I'll gladly explain it better for you;
-The defendant needs to have durability to say what they can survive.
-We know the defendant's, Ganondorf's, durability. We know what he can take and survive.
-The attacker needs their power to be defined.
-We know how powerful black holes are. We only know that Tom's attack is above human-level bolts.
-Comparing what we know about a black hole and Ganondorf we can confirm that he would be dust to a vacuum.
-Comparing what we know about Tom's blast and Ganonforf we can confirm that he can survive those blasts.

In your counter-critic to my logic you left out that everything I (and anyone else that debates with facts and evidence) say is based on limits and what we know.

The reason we can call no-limits at you is because you are saying that no matter how strong and powerful a character in fiction, whether its Ganondorf's level or a high tier Marvel one, that they will all fall to these two curses without a specific resistance. Saying a curse that has only been shown to bring down a human can take on these characters can only be done if you ignore the fact that it needs limits.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
1. Lol, 'punching someone in the nuts is the counter to brass knuckles!' that's some argument proving that love magic isn't as powerful as AK you have there. Ohwait, no, it's nonsense.
2. Except when it's everywhere.
3. Show me the blade being parried.

1. I gave you an example of a counter. It has nothing to do with being more powerful it just counters it. The sacrifice just causes it to rebound so it's a counter. It can't kill anyone on it's own. LOL.
2. No, it's just nerds trying to be nerds. Even a writer has mocked you tools.
3. Play the game. You obviously haven't.

Originally posted by BloodRain
1. Thats a no-limits fallacy. Do you believe that AK can kill any and every character in fiction that hasn't shown a specific resistance to death curses?

2. ..and again, what of what I said made you want to talk about Link getting stronger.. and whats this talk about emotions? They may experience pain but the level of pain etc of what they can take can't be compared.
You can prove the spell is a mental attack and not one that creates pain, as it says on the tin? Also, nice dodge. I'm asking you if you believe that any character in fiction that has felt pain will be twitching in agony from this spell, no matter how extremely powerful they are?
Also, what's with the 'boom'?

3. Because we see it explode? And that doesn't negate the timing that's been proven. Going with Occam's, the simplest explanation from everything we see and know without jumping on extra theories is that he survived. The most basic answer. Adding in teleportation or something would require further proof.

Referring to pre-ToP again, and treating the MS like a normal sword, again. And right after admitting the MS effects him in a weakness kind of way.

Admitting that Dorf can be struck several times from deadly and powerful things and not die? Not only that but be proven to be in a perfect combat condition after it?
Note your words; "He is harder to kill than humans but well crafted weapons cut into their skin all the same". A 'well crafted' weapon to cut, cripple and kill a human is human strength+knife. After the arrows, iron balls, magical arrows, bombs and slashes.. Ganondorf can still get up and jump back into a fight. Gameplay and cutscene supported. Now we know that not only is the durability of a human far below Dorf's, but so's their damage and pain threshold.

4. A human and charge someone and easily knock them 4 ft back, thats already 1/5th of the bolt caused by human strength (2,000J here) alone. The bolts are strong compared to humans and would need to be far more powerful than a 20 ft knockback for Tom's in comparison to be as strong as claimed.
Yes, the horde of wizards threw their attacks at the shield, as per Tom's own command.
Sheet metal example still stands. In both examples with have a group attacking a defence, then the boss breaking through with an attack stronger than an individual.

A disintegration shield with the only durability feat of taking hits from 20ft-human-flicking spells, AKA Tom's beam > blast that knocks humans across a room.

5(I guess..). I don't think the Marvel characters I mentioned have a death curse specific resistance, would they all die? What about a planet-sized monster with no mental/magical/death resistances? Can you tell me that Tom can bring a planet-sized monster down to painful tears or death due to these two spells?

Only your misinterpretation, my logic is based around what we know, usually coming from feats we can quantify. I'll gladly explain it better for you;
-The defendant needs to have durability to say what they can survive.
-We know the defendant's, Ganondorf's, durability. We know what he can take and survive.
-The attacker needs their power to be defined.
-We know how powerful black holes are. We only know that Tom's attack is above human-level bolts.
-Comparing what we know about a black hole and Ganondorf we can confirm that he would be dust to a vacuum.
-Comparing what we know about Tom's blast and Ganonforf we can confirm that he can survive those blasts.

In your counter-critic to my logic you left out that everything I (and anyone else that debates with facts and evidence) say is based on limits and what we know.

The reason we can call no-limits at you is because you are saying that no matter how strong and powerful a character in fiction, whether its Ganondorf's level or a high tier Marvel one, that they will all fall to these two curses without a specific resistance. Saying a curse that has only been shown to bring down a human can take on these characters can only be done if you ignore the fact that it needs limits.

2. They both can feel pain and their tolerance doesn't matter as the torture curse provides constant pain. They have no mental resistance feats either. You just want to say he resists because you think that's debating despite with no proof to the contrary. I am saying someone needs to show mental resistance feats to prove they cannot feel it. Dorf clearly feels pain and has no mental resistance so he falls victim. Only logical.

3. We see it explode but what we don't see is Dof's whereabouts or what actually happens as it falls. Too many unknowns yet you fanboys want to act like its proof. Speculation is the bottom line. It's that simple.

It's a counter to evil is all. It doesn't break weaker blades it simply reacts well against an evil power hungry megalomaniac.

He survived the executioners sword but never healed from the attack. Gameplay damage isn't always the same. We know what can hurt him but sword strikes aren't like a cut scene of him being impaled. You need to know how to compare the two which you obviously don't. You're a fanboy and always act loopy when it comes to loz. Impalement still cuts right through his skin the only question is can the top continue his life or not. Specific magic as in the master sword works. The death curse works as well because there is no reason it wouldn't since it's specific magic for a purpose and Dorf only resists general attacks but within reason. he can't heal from the attacks so logically you can destroy enough of his humanoid body to take him out.

4. Except the entire shield was destroyed not just one part of it. You aren't getting it.

Hundreds or thousands of spells. Imagine what this would do to anything with the continued exposure of this power beating on you consistently.

Depends on the marvel characters resistance. This isn't a durability attack so a characters strength doesn't have anything to do with it. You video game versus act like people who bench a lot can suddenly stop bullets. It's laughable.

This curse isn't durability based. The body remains fine this is magic. This isn't a force attack. You are making a false comparison but the black hole feat attacks your shitty logic anyways. It applies to it and here you go wanting to distance yourself from it.

They have to have specific resistances the durability has nothing to do with it. That's painfully evident from the spell.

Originally posted by quanchi112
1. I gave you an example of a counter. It has nothing to do with being more powerful it just counters it. The sacrifice just causes it to rebound so it's a counter. It can't kill anyone on it's own. LOL.
2. No, it's just nerds trying to be nerds. Even a writer has mocked you tools.
3. Play the game. You obviously haven't.