Voldemort vs. Ganondorf (Twilight Princess)

Originally posted by quanchi112
Repeating baseless claims wont help you.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Pottermagic>>>>Zelda magic.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Voldermort wins.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Voldermort wins.

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Originally posted by quanchi112
1. It kills living beings. If you feel it won't work without it having anything to do with durability prove it.
2. Since when can Crucio be resisted by someone of strong will ? That's Imperio.
It affects the mind and is a specific spell you need to prove it won't work on Ganondorf.
3. It's magical fire and we see how powerful it is. We see it destroying an entire room of magical origin in the room of requirement . We don't see his body tanking the castle going down. Speculation. 😄
The second sword stab impaled him. We don't see him resist a sword attack. You need an actual example not just wishful thinking to support this claim. When do we see a bomb being tanked by him ? Remind me again. Fire>>swords.
4. One force attack can knock someone out and propel them backwards around 20 feet.
5. Disintegrated any humans or anything it touched. Resisted hundreds if not thousands of blasts. You're so biased its kinda sickening.

1 doesn't have to do with human durability at all. A really strong in shape person fares no better than a five year old.
Fiendfyre destroyed all kinds of magical artifacts and fire hurts anything with organic being unless you can prove fire resistance.
Completely disintegrating a human is more impressive than stabbing through some ones chest. Resisted hundreds if not thousands of blasts.

1. So you have nothing to prove the power of the spell and are going to assume it can kill everything living? You're really going to support a no-limits here and refuse to give evidence?

2. You have yet to show me the curse bringing pain on anything above a spider and a human. If you have a claim, back it up.

3. Unless I missed something I didn't see much above fire+movement, care to prove this? You just said he teleported before the impact, the impact that was his face. Are you now going back on this claim? Do you have anything to support him not being in the explosion when we saw Midna go to attack him?
Silly, you were the one that brought up the Master Sword stabbing him as a reason that the fire can harm him, so do you have evidence to support the damage of those flames being above the Master Sword? Dorf can take bombs that hit him, hell Gorons and Shadow Beasts (The latter we know are not as tough as Dorf) can tank bombs.

4. ...Seriously? I ask you to tell me how powerful the attack is in a thread with Ganondorf and you tell me it knocks out a human and throws them 20 ft? 500J can knock people out, 3,000J can knock a body around like that.. basically a punch and getting hit by a 20mph car :/

5. Two parts. First, is this the part where I have to compare the durability of a human to Ganondorf? Second, and again, what has the shield got to do with Tom?

AK killing humans. Fiendfyre burning things just like fire. Crucio hurting a human. Force spell knocks out but doesn't kill a human. <- For the first 4 spells you've shown nothing suggesting it can do the same on beings above a humans level. The latter is the best feat but again, a human.

Originally posted by BloodRain
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1. So you have nothing to prove the power of the spell and are going to assume it can kill everything living? You're really going to support a no-limits here and refuse to give evidence?

2. You have yet to show me the curse bringing pain on anything above a spider and a human. If you have a claim, back it up.

3. Unless I missed something I didn't see much above fire+movement, care to prove this? You just said he teleported before the impact, the impact that was his face. Are you now going back on this claim? Do you have anything to support him not being in the explosion when we saw Midna go to attack him?
Silly, you were the one that brought up the Master Sword stabbing him as a reason that the fire can harm him, so do you have evidence to support the damage of those flames being above the Master Sword? Dorf can take bombs that hit him, hell Gorons and Shadow Beasts (The latter we know are not as tough as Dorf) can tank bombs.

4. ...Seriously? I ask you to tell me how powerful the attack is in a thread with Ganondorf and you tell me it knocks out a human and throws them 20 ft? 500J can knock people out, 3,000J can knock a body around like that.. basically a punch and getting hit by a 20mph car :/

5. Two parts. First, is this the part where I have to compare the durability of a human to Ganondorf? Second, and again, what has the shield got to do with Tom?

AK killing humans. Fiendfyre burning things just like fire. Crucio hurting a human. Force spell knocks out but doesn't kill a human. <- For the first 4 spells you've shown nothing suggesting it can do the same on beings above a humans level. The latter is the best feat but again, a human.

1. That's not how debates work. If you feel the spell doesn't work you need to prove it. Killing Ganondorf isn't no limits the guy seems rare easy to kill IMO.

2. The strength of the person or being doesn't matter. As clearly shown it tortures so unless you can prove resistance to this you're screwed.

3. I'm saying that's a likely option. Midna attacks and then moments later it comes down. It wasn't immediate and the specifics are all speculation. 😂
Just because the video game versus people accept this speculation doesn't mean I have to. His abilities also support he can leave the immediate vicinity and he did change shape again when we see him next.

Two swords stabbed him. He never was durable enough to resist a blade. You say he changed after the top but his skin was never more durable he just resisted one without healing from it for many years. Flames are above swords and the master sword can be parried by any common blade. 😂

4. That's an example we don't see an energy meter. A goat can knock link off his ass but not that far. Imagine hundreds and possibly thousands of blasts still not beating it until Voldemort got involved.

5. Ganondorf can be cut by swords as can humans. Ganondorf was saved by the top resisting the effects not healing the body. Tom destroyed the shield with his power.

Yes. Cut Links throat or Dorfs and they both die. The top might make his throat or body resist but the damage will still be there and his throat can still be cut. Avada Kedavra kills. Durability isn't brought into any of the curse. Crucio hurts even spiders so it isn't just humans its those who are hit by it. You have to prove immunity. Do you know how this works ?

None of these spells have to do with durability making your shitty point moot. People can lift as much as they want Crucio and Av affects them all the same.

I win.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
No, that's not hyperbole, the sword is a direct failsafe to the complete triforce, and nas neutralized it before. The castle was blown apart from an attack that struck him. That's like being punched so hard your house explodes, Ganon was unhurt.

2. Ganon didn't does not mean Ganon can't. The hole had no effect on him, that actually just goes to show that physical damage doesn't matter to him. Voldemort isn't powerful enough to harm his body anyway. Ganon is immortal because of the ToP, he cannot be harmed until it is overcome, Voldemort cannot overcome it, this is simple.

Prove Voldemort can overcome it, or Voldemort cannot. That's simple.

3. Yep.
4. Small time.
5. See point one.

Prove something. Go on and try.

It is hyperbole. It's specific to this but no more powerful than a Regular sword since they can block it easily. Speculation as we don't see what happens nor where Dorf was at the time.

2. No effect sure but the hole was still there. If you put enough holes in him he can't exist. Swords can which are far less powerful than Fiendfyre or his energy blast.

You're trying to force LOZ lore onto other fictional universes. Voldemort kills him with Avada Kedavra or tortures him with Crucio or destroys his body. You need to prove resistance not me.

3. Nope.
4. Wrong.
5. Point one of yours is wrong.

It's you who needs to prove something. Dorf can't heal and swords cut into his flesh just fine.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It is hyperbole. It's specific to this but no more powerful than a Regular sword since they can block it easily. Speculation as we don't see what happens nor where Dorf was at the time.

2. No effect sure but the hole was still there. If you put enough holes in him he can't exist. Swords can which are far less powerful than Fiendfyre or his energy blast.

You're trying to force LOZ lore onto other fictional universes. Voldemort kills him with Avada Kedavra or tortures him with Crucio or destroys his body. You need to prove resistance not me.

3. Nope.
4. Wrong.
5. Point one of yours is wrong.

It's you who needs to prove something. Dorf can't heal and swords cut into his flesh just fine.

The Master Sword has neutralized the triforce in the past. This is not hyperbole, this is canon fact. Try harder. We also know exactly where Ganon was when he was hit, we're given a shot of Midna attacking him from his own PoV.

Exactly, no effect, holes don't hinder Ganondorf at all, and nothing in HP is powerful enough to make a hole in someone who casually tanks castlebusting physical blows.

No, you're just trying to ignore canon again. AK can't overpower the ToP, ergo, it is useless.

3. ****
4. Small time.
5. Your entire argument is a no-limits fallacy.

Originally posted by quanchi112
1. That's not how debates work. If you feel the spell doesn't work you need to prove it. Killing Ganondorf isn't no limits the guy seems rare easy to kill IMO.
2. The strength of the person or being doesn't matter. As clearly shown it tortures so unless you can prove resistance to this you're screwed.
3. I'm saying that's a likely option. Midna attacks and then moments later it comes down. It wasn't immediate and the specifics are all speculation. 😂
Just because the video game versus people accept this speculation doesn't mean I have to. His abilities also support he can leave the immediate vicinity and he did change shape again when we see him next.
Two swords stabbed him. He never was durable enough to resist a blade. You say he changed after the top but his skin was never more durable he just resisted one without healing from it for many years. Flames are above swords and the master sword can be parried by any common blade. 😂
4. That's an example we don't see an energy meter. A goat can knock link off his ass but not that far. Imagine hundreds and possibly thousands of blasts still not beating it until Voldemort got involved.
5. Ganondorf can be cut by swords as can humans. Ganondorf was saved by the top resisting the effects not healing the body. Tom destroyed the shield with his power.

1. You can't bring in a no-limits fallacy and tell others to do the work. If you believe the AK is a no-limits, can kill every living character in all of fiction, spell, then say so now. If not, they define its limits.

2. I never said 'strength'. Spiders have no notable pain tolerance, humans have human pain tolerance. Someone like Ganondorf, given the things that can hit him to have him barely suffer pain, his tolerance is above a humans. So if you believe your spell can harm beings above a human, prove it.

3. There are probably options, but him escaping by teleporting when something struck his face makes no sense and is a reach. I say he survived because we see Midna go to strike him. You say he didn't because he might have teleported away from the explosion even with nothing to suggest so. Occam's Razor and all, unless there's something to support your claim. Is there or not?

Seems you've gone back to pre-ToP talk, then again ignoring the magical properties of the MS. His resistance?;
-Shoot Ganon in the face with arrows he stumbles but survives.
-Hit him with a bomb, which can destroy large rocks, and he survives.
-Smash him in the face with the Ball&Chain and he stumbles, but survives.
-Slash him in the stomach, which is also his weakness in this form, with the Master Sword and he survives.
-Hit his human form with the light arrows, which can disintegrate some monsters, and he's only stunned, survives.
-Slash his stunned self with the Master Sword and he survives.
...Ganondorf can resist and tank more than any human can.

Quan I just have to ask; Do you believe that the Master Sword is a normal hunk of metal with absolutely no magical powers in it at all?

4. Alright, then as I've asked for several times now, prove the strength of that spell. And don't defensively bring up Link and a goat as it literally has nothing to do with anything discussed. Tell me how powerful the spell is.

5. Do you want me to give him a pat on the back? Once again.. which seems to be a common thing with you here.. you have yet to state what this has to do with anything. If its about him doing something where others did not, thats not really the case. A) His attack happened /after/ the 'thousands' of blasts. If you can confirm that the shield didn't weaken at all from that assault then by all means do so. B) While the other wizards threw a single small orb, the Elder Wand powered Tom was instead using a continuous stream. For all we know it could have been the fact that it was continuous that it broke more than its power. Two things to prove.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes. Cut Links throat or Dorfs and they both die. The top might make his throat or body resist but the damage will still be there and his throat can still be cut. Avada Kedavra kills. Durability isn't brought into any of the curse. Crucio hurts even spiders so it isn't just humans its those who are hit by it. You have to prove immunity. Do you know how this works ?

None of these spells have to do with durability making your shitty point moot. People can lift as much as they want Crucio and Av affects them all the same.

I win.

I'll show you mine when you show me yours sweetie. That whole part there danced around the question asked. I don't care if you think Dorf is a normal human or about it.. hurting spiders (Seriously? Thats impressive?), I wan't you to just answer what I'm asking so we can move on: Can you show me those 4 spells effecting a being above a human, or can't you?
We can discuss immunities and what he can take when you can confirm or deny this point.

Chill man, chill.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
The Master Sword has neutralized the triforce in the past. This is not hyperbole, this is canon fact. Try harder. We also know exactly where Ganon was when he was hit, we're given a shot of Midna attacking him from his own PoV.

Exactly, no effect, holes don't hinder Ganondorf at all, and nothing in HP is powerful enough to make a hole in someone who casually tanks castlebusting physical blows.

No, you're just trying to ignore canon again. AK can't overpower the ToP, ergo, it is useless.

3. ****
4. Small time.
5. Your entire argument is a no-limits fallacy.

Neutralizing it means it can counter it just like sacrifice or giving ones life doesn't make it greater than Av just a counter. We know he was a giant head and when we see him next he's a humanoid again. Yeah, speculation.

Holes still exist thus proving if the holes are big enough he can't exist without a body so body annihilation can kill him.

Av kills him. Counters top just like master sword.
3. Concession accepted.
4. Wrong.
5. My entire argument is his spells perform their function until proven otherwise. Dorf dies and loses like always.

Neutralizing it means it can counter it just like sacrifice or giving ones life doesn't make it greater than Av just a counter. We know he was a giant head and when we see him next he's a humanoid again. Yeah, speculation.

Holes still exist thus proving if the holes are big enough he can't exist without a body so body annihilation can kill him.

This is all speculation and excuses. Did you forget that Dumbledore explicitly says love is a powerful magic?

Av kills him. Counters top just like master sword.

Prove this. Give me a feat.

5. My entire argument is his spells perform their function until proven otherwise. Dorf dies and loses like always.

Until you prove otherwise, Ganondorf is immune because of the ToP, it's that simple.

Originally posted by BloodRain
1. You can't bring in a no-limits fallacy and tell others to do the work. If you believe the AK is a no-limits, can kill every living character in all of fiction, spell, then say so now. If not, they define its limits.

2. I never said 'strength'. Spiders have no notable pain tolerance, humans have human pain tolerance. Someone like Ganondorf, given the things that can hit him to have him barely suffer pain, his tolerance is above a humans. So if you believe your spell can harm beings above a human, prove it.

3. There are probably options, but him escaping by teleporting when something struck his face makes no sense and is a reach. I say he survived because we see Midna go to strike him. You say he didn't because he might have teleported away from the explosion even with nothing to suggest so. Occam's Razor and all, unless there's something to support your claim. Is there or not?

Seems you've gone back to pre-ToP talk, then again ignoring the magical properties of the MS. His resistance?;
-Shoot Ganon in the face with arrows he stumbles but survives.
-Hit him with a bomb, which can destroy large rocks, and he survives.
-Smash him in the face with the Ball&Chain and he stumbles, but survives.
-Slash him in the stomach, which is also his weakness in this form, with the Master Sword and he survives.
-Hit his human form with the light arrows, which can disintegrate some monsters, and he's only stunned, survives.
-Slash his stunned self with the Master Sword and he survives.
...Ganondorf can resist and tank more than any human can.

Quan I just have to ask; Do you believe that the Master Sword is a normal hunk of metal with absolutely no magical powers in it at all?

4. Alright, then as I've asked for several times now, prove the strength of that spell. And don't defensively bring up Link and a goat as it literally has nothing to do with anything discussed. Tell me how powerful the spell is.

5. Do you want me to give him a pat on the back? Once again.. which seems to be a common thing with you here.. you have yet to state what this has to do with anything. If its about him doing something where others did not, thats not really the case. A) His attack happened /after/ the 'thousands' of blasts. If you can confirm that the shield didn't weaken at all from that assault then by all means do so. B) While the other wizards threw a single small orb, the Elder Wand powered Tom was instead using a continuous stream. For all we know it could have been the fact that it was continuous that it broke more than its power. Two things to prove.

I'll show you mine when you show me yours sweetie. That whole part there danced around the question asked. I don't care if you think Dorf is a normal human or about it.. hurting spiders (Seriously? Thats impressive?), I wan't you to just answer what I'm asking so we can move on: Can you show me those 4 spells effecting a being above a human, or can't you?
We can discuss immunities and what he can take when you can confirm or deny this point.

Chill man, chill.

1. There isn't a no limits fallacy here but you can't pull the same with Dorf. You need to show why he can resist the magics function when he can clearly die. You need magical resistance to something of this nature, dodge it, etc. Dorf dies.
2. Links strength goes up that's all. It causes those who can feel pain simply pain. Dorf has felt pain therefore it works on him. Your reasoning is hey it doesn't work because he's Ganondorf simply doesn't cut it. You admitted he suffers pain so it works.
3. He might have gotten struck by Midna but the castle doesn't fall right then. Whatever happens takes place many seconds later thus he has time to escape the castle fall along with morphing into his humanoid body. Speculation thus not evidence.

No one is using an arrow here. Yes, none of that kills him but later he dies simply by impalement. Dorf on his own cannot only the top can allow him to resist the effects. He can still be killed and cannot survive complete body annihilation.

I believe it isn't really powerful just a counter to evil or Dorf.

4. I explained how powerful and how many times the wizards are pounding the shield with the spells.

5. The shield was weakening but we clearly see how powerful Voldemort's concentrated blast was by comparison when it immediately destroys the shield. They later talk about how extraordinary Tom Riddles power is despite the Eder wand resisting him all the same.

Spiders and humans means the magic clearly works. You need to prove he resists it not me proving it works when durability isn't an issue. This is specific magic.

I don't need to since the ability or function has already proven. By your logic if a black hole takes out a human then there's no proof it can take out Ganondorf. It's a hoot.

Originally posted by quanchi112
1. There isn't a no limits fallacy here but you can't pull the same with Dorf. You need to show why he can resist the magics function when he can clearly die. You need magical resistance to something of this nature, dodge it, etc. Dorf dies.
2. Links strength goes up that's all. It causes those who can feel pain simply pain. Dorf has felt pain therefore it works on him. Your reasoning is hey it doesn't work because he's Ganondorf simply doesn't cut it. You admitted he suffers pain so it works.
3. He might have gotten struck by Midna but the castle doesn't fall right then. Whatever happens takes place many seconds later thus he has time to escape the castle fall along with morphing into his humanoid body. Speculation thus not evidence.
No one is using an arrow here. Yes, none of that kills him but later he dies simply by impalement. Dorf on his own cannot only the top can allow him to resist the effects. He can still be killed and cannot survive complete body annihilation.
I believe it isn't really powerful just a counter to evil or Dorf.
4. I explained how powerful and how many times the wizards are pounding the shield with the spells.
5. The shield was weakening but we clearly see how powerful Voldemort's concentrated blast was by comparison when it immediately destroys the shield. They later talk about how extraordinary Tom Riddles power is despite the Eder wand resisting him all the same.
Spiders and humans means the magic clearly works. You need to prove he resists it not me proving it works when durability isn't an issue. This is specific magic.
I don't need to since the ability or function has already proven. By your logic if a black hole takes out a human then there's no proof it can take out Ganondorf. It's a hoot.

1. If it isn't a no-limits then tell me the limits of this power. You're asking me to explain how Dorf will survive when you havent even told me how powerful the spell is.

2. "Links strength goes up thats all" <-relevance to anything I said? And that is yet again a no-limits -> "any character that experiences pain will fall to their knees to this" so I take it you believe that a universal level character will scream out in pain from this attack? I doubt someone like Apocalypse, Juggernaut, Thanos or Galactus have shown a specific resistance to pain inducing magic, though they have suffered pain before so...?
How do you expect me to say Dorf can or can not surpass the spells limits when you're unable to give those limits?

3. Until you factor in the two scenes timing with each other which Scream brought up to me when I was against this feat. The timing works out.

The guy takes an arrow to the face, walks away, and you act like it means nothing? Okay I could go on about easily proving the physical and magical power of the MS, but it'd be easier to work with what you said; If the MS isn't really powerful and is only a counter to evil/Dorf like you believe.. how isn't that a feat? You say how fire > sword when you admit that the MS is not a normal sword and effects Dorf in a magical-weakness way..

"Yes, none of that kills him". You admit that Ganondorf can take normal and powerful magical arrows to the face, bombs, Link-strength bashings and being slashed several times with the Master Sword..... and for some reason the only point that matters is that he eventually, after all of that, was finally killed when he was impaled by the admitted Dorf-weakness sword? And due to this his durability is somehow unable to resist blades or any significant damage like he just did, that it can probably be compared to a humans?

4/5. No, you didn't. You said how his continuous beam finally broke a shield that was already under fire, and from attacks with the only feat of knocking a human body back. Two required factors that need answers; 1. How much was the shield weakened? Was it being fractured, did it become far more fragile than it was? 2. How does the smaller blasts match to his beam from what they did? Take a kilometer long sheet metal with a thousand people lined up and punch it at the same time, what happens? At best a thousand small dents. To put a hole in the wall you dont need to be above a thousand hits, just one. A hammer or drill will punch a hole in the sheet metal.

So far all we know is that Tom's beam is stronger than a blast that can throw a human across a room.

You saying that these spells, with the top feat of beating a human, can effect and kill every character in all fiction that hasn't shown a specific resistance to it? Yeah, nice no-limits there.

A black hole? haermm You're obviously missing the point by a mile. Know why a black hole can destroy Ganondorf? Because we know how powerful a black hole is so we can compare it to Dorf and see who the obvious victor is. The thing you're missing from this equation is not giving us how powerful the spells are besides the single and highest showing of defeating humans.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
This is all speculation and excuses. Did you forget that Dumbledore explicitly says love is a powerful magic?

Prove this. Give me a feat.

Until you prove otherwise, Ganondorf is immune because of the ToP, it's that simple.

No, it's a counter but that isn't to say love isn't powerful but the mother still gave her own life to save her child.

You need to disprove it since that's its function and Dorf can clearly be killed.

No, prove the top makes him immune to death.

Originally posted by BloodRain
1. If it isn't a no-limits then tell me the limits of this power. You're asking me to explain how Dorf will survive when you havent even told me how powerful the spell is.

2. "Links strength goes up thats all" <-relevance to anything I said? And that is yet again a no-limits -> "any character that experiences pain will fall to their knees to this" so I take it you believe that a universal level character will scream out in pain from this attack? I doubt someone like Apocalypse, Juggernaut, Thanos or Galactus have shown a specific resistance to pain inducing magic, though they have suffered pain before so...?
How do you expect me to say Dorf can or can not surpass the spells limits when you're unable to give those limits?

3. Until you factor in the two scenes timing with each other which Scream brought up to me when I was against this feat. The timing works out.

The guy takes an arrow to the face, walks away, and you act like it means nothing? Okay I could go on about easily proving the physical and magical power of the MS, but it'd be easier to work with what you said; If the MS isn't really powerful and is only a counter to evil/Dorf like you believe.. how isn't that a feat? You say how fire > sword when you admit that the MS is not a normal sword and effects Dorf in a magical-weakness way..

[b]"Yes, none of that kills him". You admit that Ganondorf can take normal and powerful magical arrows to the face, bombs, Link-strength bashings and being slashed several times with the Master Sword..... and for some reason the only point that matters is that he eventually, after all of that, was finally killed when he was impaled by the admitted Dorf-weakness sword? And due to this his durability is somehow unable to resist blades or any significant damage like he just did, that it can probably be compared to a humans?

4/5. No, you didn't. You said how his continuous beam finally broke a shield that was already under fire, and from attacks with the only feat of knocking a human body back. Two required factors that need answers; 1. How much was the shield weakened? Was it being fractured, did it become far more fragile than it was? 2. How does the smaller blasts match to his beam from what they did? Take a kilometer long sheet metal with a thousand people lined up and punch it at the same time, what happens? At best a thousand small dents. To put a hole in the wall you dont need to be above a thousand hits, just one. A hammer or drill will punch a hole in the sheet metal.

So far all we know is that Tom's beam is stronger than a blast that can throw a human across a room.

You saying that these spells, with the top feat of beating a human, can effect and kill every character in all fiction that hasn't shown a specific resistance to it? Yeah, nice no-limits there.

A black hole? haermm You're obviously missing the point by a mile. Know why a black hole can destroy Ganondorf? Because we know how powerful a black hole is so we can compare it to Dorf and see who the obvious victor is. The thing you're missing from this equation is not giving us how powerful the spells are besides the single and highest showing of defeating humans. [/B]

1. It kills those without the showings to survive this. You need to prove he can survive this. The spell kills those without magical resistance. Simple.

2. He becomes stronger sure but not through the roof like you want to claim. Link and Ganondorf aren't universal and experience pain. They are humanoid characters similar to humans with the same feelings, emotions, motives so it clearly works unless you can prove otherwise. Dorf clearly feels pain. Boom.
Thanos and what not can resist mental attacks though so that's proven resistance. Boom.

3. We don't see the castle immediately fall but who cares. It is off screen and speculation no matter how desperately you cling to it.

Dorfs body can still be hurt by other swords yet the top can resist the effects within reason since the hole is still there. The sword can kill him while both swords can clearly hurt him. The av kills him due to its function just like the master sword can kill him since that's its function. Complete body annihilation can also kill him. Crucio can torture him since he feels pain without mental resistance feats.

Gameplay. Clearly injures him just doesnt finish him. Yes, since swords clearly hurt him and can hurt humans. He is harder to kill than humans but well crafted weapons cut into their skin all the same.

Knocking a human back 20 feet is impressive since its just one little force bolt. Links never packed that wallop with his sword. Somewhat weakened. Did you not watch the scene ? Not even close since the continuous beam really destroyed it quickly. We see Voldemort's fireballs far bigger than Professor McGonagalls. He's far more powerful and the greatest wizard in the movies. This is magic it's clear the power was required to destroy it not like it was sheet metal.

We know Toms blast is stronger than a reinforced magical disintegration shield. We also know far greater than Bulbins henchmen that can ko Link.

I'm sayin unless there is magical resistance or mental resistance but this guy can be wrecked by swords so relax.

That's your logic in a nutshell and how shitty it is. Your logic is that moronic. If a black hole just kills a human your logic says if we assume something greater than its a no limits fallacy. It's hilariously bad.

Originally posted by quanchi112
1. It kills those without the showings to survive this. You need to prove he can survive this. The spell kills those without magical resistance. Simple.=

Fairly certain this is a fallacy of some sort.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, it's a counter but that isn't to say love isn't powerful but the mother still gave her own life to save her child.

You need to disprove it since that's its function and Dorf can clearly be killed.

No, prove the top makes him immune to death.

1. Hurr durr, prove it's not more powerful than AK.

2. Not only is Ganondorf immortal, but you cannot show him dying, ever.

3. K, the part where it prevents him from being killed, or even harmed. Your move.

Originally posted by Pwned
Fairly certain this is a fallacy of some sort.

I am fairly certain you aren't fairly certain of anything.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I am fairly certain you aren't fairly certain of anything.

Look at this guy, busting out the vaguely insulting remarks like anyone gives a shit. =o

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
1. Hurr durr, prove it's not more powerful than AK.

2. Not only is Ganondorf immortal, but you cannot show him dying, ever.

3. K, the part where it prevents him from being killed, or even harmed. Your move.

1. It doesn't kill anyone it just is a counter for it and causes the spell to rebound. Lol.

2. He dies at the end of Tp. Lol. That's what happens when the game ends.

3. Master sword proves top can be overcome. No limits fallacy on your end so specific magic works.

Originally posted by quanchi112
1. It doesn't kill anyone it just is a counter for it and causes the spell to rebound. Lol.

2. He dies at the end of Tp. Lol. That's what happens when the game ends.

3. Master sword proves top can be overcome. No limits fallacy on your end so specific magic works.

1. That doesn't prove anything, so try again.

2. Prove that he dies.

3. The Master Sword is a planetary+ level artifact, AK is a single target spell that's countered many times in universe by humans.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
1. That doesn't prove anything, so try again.

2. Prove that he dies.

3. The Master Sword is a planetary+ level artifact, AK is a single target spell that's countered many times in universe by humans.

1. Love magic is only a counter not an attack which requires death of a willing person. Lol.
2. So you think the master sword causes a nap ?
3. No, it isn't it just counters Dorf.

Originally posted by quanchi112
1. Love magic is only a counter not an attack which requires death of a willing person. Lol.
2. So you think the master sword causes a nap ?
3. No, it isn't it just counters Dorf.

1. Prove that, too. That's how it's used in one instance, that is not the exclusive use of it in magic.
2. Do you have any knowledge of Zelda canon at all? haermm Ganondorf is defeated and sealed away several different times.
3. Yes, it is, it has feats and statements backing it up, so have fun plugging your ears and pretending otherwise. The Master Sword's lowest showings are far and away superior to Voldemort's best.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
1. Prove that, too. That's how it's used in one instance, that is not the exclusive use of it in magic.
2. Do you have any knowledge of Zelda canon at all? haermm Ganondorf is defeated and sealed away several different times.
3. Yes, it is, it has feats and statements backing it up, so have fun plugging your ears and pretending otherwise. The Master Sword's lowest showings are far and away superior to Voldemort's best.

1. What other instance of it would you compare with the killing curse ? It countered it in that instance. You really lack common sense.
2. He dies. Clearly dies.
Triforce of power fades from view and he's dead. Lol.
3. It counters but can be easily blocked by any common schleps sword.
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