Voldemort vs. Ganondorf (Twilight Princess)

Started by quanchi11294 pages

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Why would love kill? That doesn't make sense. haermm

I can't believe it's come to this, but prove that you provided evidence. You claim you have, but you haven't, and continue not to do so.

You've explained only that you don't accept them, which is worth nothing as they are canon.

Love obsessed people can kill but the point is when gauging power something that kills you is more powerful than something that can counter it only.

I have.

They are canon but are dependent on gear. That's what kills it for Link. He needs the gear and in some cases clearly is cheating by using the gear.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Love obsessed people can kill but the point is when gauging power something that kills you is more powerful than something that can counter it only.

I have.

They are canon but are dependent on gear. That's what kills it for Link. He needs the gear and in some cases clearly is cheating by using the gear.


But if love can counter it then love is stronger, using killing as the only metric is wrong.

Prove it.

Link's best feat doesn't involve gear.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
But if love can counter it then love is stronger, using killing as the only metric is wrong.

Prove it.

Link's best feat doesn't involve gear.

I already gave you an example of why a counter doesn't have to be more powerful. That's your skewed logic.

I already have.

You are exaggerating again.

No, you said some nonsense about punching a guy with brass knuckles in the dick.

Quote where you did so.

No, I'm telling you straight up.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
No, you said some nonsense about punching a guy with brass knuckles in the dick.

Quote where you did so.

No, I'm telling you straight up.

Yes, as the brass knucks is a more powerful attack but a counter can still be effective despite being less powerful.

You'd just downplay again.

No, you aren't.

Punching in the dick, the counter to brass knuckles, everyone!

Lol'd. You never have posted evidence, Quan.

Jeez Quan just provide the evidence >_>

Originally posted by quanchi112
1. No, I am saying someone needs to show magical resistance not death curse resistance. Dorf gets screwed by magic every single time, bro.
2. They both can feel pain and their tolerance doesn't matter as the torture curse provides constant pain. They have no mental resistance feats either. You just want to say he resists because you think that's debating despite with no proof to the contrary. I am saying someone needs to show mental resistance feats to prove they cannot feel it. Dorf clearly feels pain and has no mental resistance so he falls victim. Only logical.
3. We see it explode but what we don't see is Dof's whereabouts or what actually happens as it falls. Too many unknowns yet you fanboys want to act like its proof. Speculation is the bottom line. It's that simple.
It's a counter to evil is all. It doesn't break weaker blades it simply reacts well against an evil power hungry megalomaniac.
He survived the executioners sword but never healed from the attack. Gameplay damage isn't always the same. We know what can hurt him but sword strikes aren't like a cut scene of him being impaled. You need to know how to compare the two which you obviously don't. You're a fanboy and always act loopy when it comes to loz. Impalement still cuts right through his skin the only question is can the top continue his life or not. Specific magic as in the master sword works. The death curse works as well because there is no reason it wouldn't since it's specific magic for a purpose and Dorf only resists general attacks but within reason. he can't heal from the attacks so logically you can destroy enough of his humanoid body to take him out.

1. ..you realize that the Triforce pieces are the single thing that protects the individuals from Twilight magic, right? Or how Dorf is only stunned for a second by Light Arrows, arrows magically created and empowered by the four light spirits, ie magical weakness to Dorf?

2. It provides pain? What level of pain? Human pain? More?
Speaking of 'no proof';
"You can prove the spell is a mental attack and not one that creates pain, as it says on the tin?"
"I'm asking you if you believe that any character in fiction that has felt pain will be twitching in agony from this spell, no matter how extremely powerful they are?"

3. Besides seeing the explosion-causing attack strike right at him. What other unknowns? Also I assume you have a simpler explanation to this scene, one you can back up? Like that the 'fanboy' claims are back :T

"Its a counter to evil".... exactly the point? Its canonly stated in SS that the MS is physically stronger than a normal sword, has anti-evil powers and is further blessed by the goddess Hylia to damage evil. Ganondorf is being stabbed by a thrice offensively charged sword, charged by powerful beings. Adding to the fact that we have him taking several hits just to get to the state when he can be finally stabbed. Yet knowing he can take more than one sword hit (and blunt force, arrows and explosions) and knowing the MS is 'anti-Dorf', for some reason him being harmed by it is akin to a human being harmed by a regular sword?

So he survived impalement.. and thats comparable to a human? The attacks he takes can be quantified, we know that these things barely hurt him. Then we have an 'anti-Dorf' sword slashing him and only harming him, and only when he's weakened does it kill him. The only example you have where he's critically harmed by something not in the MS's league is when he was stabbed before he got the ToP.

Originally posted by quanchi112
4. Except the entire shield was destroyed not just one part of it. You aren't getting it.
Hundreds or thousands of spells. Imagine what this would do to anything with the continued exposure of this power beating on you consistently.
Depends on the marvel characters resistance. This isn't a durability attack so a characters strength doesn't have anything to do with it. You video game versus act like people who bench a lot can suddenly stop bullets. It's laughable.
This curse isn't durability based. The body remains fine this is magic. This isn't a force attack. You are making a false comparison but the black hole feat attacks your shitty logic anyways. It applies to it and here you go wanting to distance yourself from it.
They have to have specific resistances the durability has nothing to do with it. That's painfully evident from the spell.

4. And youre not getting how little it means. We can only know how powerful Tom's attack is from what its bested -> His attack bested the shield -> The shields only known durability is being above others blasts -> others blasts were knocking people across the room = Tom's blast is stronger than the shield which is stronger than the smaller blasts.

5. If thats what youve taken from anything we've posted then it shows how much you grasp in others posts. Also a dodge, so answer my question. Can these spells effect planetary or universal level (power, strength or sized) characters in the way it does humans if they dont have the magic resistance youre looking for? This guy for instance. Yes or no? Simple question really.

The black hold example is becoming laughable as after bringing it up youre seemingly unable to counter the fact that your example holds no water in comparing my logic, unless you believe we don't actually know how powerful a black hole is.. I assume you know its powerful, right? Dont make a point then run away from it :T Knowing the limits = fact. Thats how we debate.

How is it 'painfully evident' when the best thing it beats is humans? How it is painfully evident when youre saying it will work on Ganondorf; a character with both magical resistance, much more durable and tolerant than humans and who is massively above one.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Punching in the dick, the counter to brass knuckles, everyone!

Lol'd. You never have posted evidence, Quan.

It is a simple example which shows that a counter doesn't have to be greater in power to an attack only an answer to. Common sense.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Jeez Quan just provide the evidence >_>

1. ..you realize that the Triforce pieces are the single thing that protects the individuals from Twilight magic, right? Or how Dorf is only stunned for a second by Light Arrows, arrows magically created and empowered by the four light spirits, ie magical weakness to Dorf?

2. It provides pain? What level of pain? Human pain? More?
Speaking of 'no proof';
"You can prove the spell is a mental attack and not one that creates pain, as it says on the tin?"
"I'm asking you if you believe that any character in fiction that has felt pain will be twitching in agony from this spell, no matter how extremely powerful they are?"

3. Besides seeing the explosion-causing attack strike right at him. What other unknowns? Also I assume you have a simpler explanation to this scene, one you can back up? Like that the 'fanboy' claims are back :T

"Its a counter to evil".... exactly the point? Its canonly stated in SS that the MS is physically stronger than a normal sword, has anti-evil powers and is further blessed by the goddess Hylia to damage evil. Ganondorf is being stabbed by a thrice offensively charged sword, charged by powerful beings. Adding to the fact that we have him taking several hits just to get to the state when he can be finally stabbed. Yet knowing he can take more than one sword hit (and blunt force, arrows and explosions) and knowing the MS is 'anti-Dorf', for some reason him being harmed by it is akin to a human being harmed by a regular sword?

So he survived impalement.. and thats comparable to a human? The attacks he takes can be quantified, we know that these things barely hurt him. Then we have an 'anti-Dorf' sword slashing him and only harming him, and only when he's weakened does it kill him. The only example you have where he's critically harmed by something not in the MS's league is when he was stabbed before he got the ToP.

4. And youre not getting how little it means. We can only know how powerful Tom's attack is from what its bested -> His attack bested the shield -> The shields only known durability is being above others blasts -> others blasts were knocking people across the room = Tom's blast is stronger than the shield which is stronger than the smaller blasts.

5. If thats what youve taken from anything we've posted then it shows how much you grasp in others posts. Also a dodge, so answer my question. Can these spells effect planetary or universal level (power, strength or sized) characters in the way it does humans if they dont have the magic resistance youre looking for? This guy for instance. Yes or no? Simple question really.

The black hold example is becoming laughable as after bringing it up youre seemingly unable to counter the fact that your example holds no water in comparing my logic, unless you believe we don't actually know how powerful a black hole is.. I assume you know its powerful, right? Dont make a point then run away from it :T Knowing the limits = fact. Thats how we debate.

How is it 'painfully evident' when the best thing it beats is humans? How it is painfully evident when youre saying it will work on Ganondorf; a character with both magical resistance, much more durable and tolerant than humans and who is massively above one.

1. I also realize that twilight magic was a specific response to Hyrule that cannot happen to any other universe. I have always laughed when others have so clung to this bs. The light arrows were obviously not very powerful since the master sword killed him.

2. Pain is a mental attack. There's no real threat to the body as it just tortures unlike real pain whose function is to warn the individual. They need to show mental or magical resistance IMO. You believe otherwise but you argue for characters without knowing about the opposition which is the definition of bias and ignorance.

3. Everything is an unknown why we see Link outside the castle. Every moment is an unknown until we see the castle go down. You are free to believe Ganondorf lit a giant firecracker to destroy the castle but it all falls under speculation. 😄

It isn't a stronger blade its functions strength is directly related to evil. We see its strong enough to cancel out the top and Dorfs connection. That's all we know but I've never been impressed with the top anyways. I also wouldn't say stronger but just stronger against evil opponents it connects with. We don't know he can tank an explosion since his whereabouts are speculative at best.

He survived impalement because the top resisted the effects of it. The hole in his chest wasn't gone. He wasn't immune to swords he just resisted death when it occurred. He was impaled the next time a sword drove into his flesh but couldn't resist because of the swords properties. That's all. Specific magic kills him as well since he can't overcome specific magic.

4. The shield took massive force before being destroyed by Tom's all out blast. Ganondorf nor can anyone in Zelda tank what the shield took prior to Tom's all out attack.

5. Strength of a character has nothing to do with it unless they have magical resistance. The stronger a Potter human is has nothing to do with resisting the spell. One needs magical counter, resistance, or an obstacle preventing the blast from hitting them since it isn't durability based.

Black hole is a durability attack unlike the Av. You don't need any proof despite your horrible logic that it can kill Dorf if all we see is it kill humans so you're wrong on all accounts any way you slice the pie.

Humans who has magical powers aren't regular humans. The attack isn't a durability one since the body remains free of harm outside death.

😂

Originally posted by quanchi112
It is a simple example which shows that a counter doesn't have to be greater in power to an attack only an answer to. Common sense.

No, it does nothing, it's a hypothetical that shows nothing.

If someone brings brass knuckles to a fight, hitting them in the balls is no more effective than if they had not, it is not a counter to brass knuckles. The guy with brass knuckles still has an advantage entirely independant of your nut shot, and he could just as easily cock knock you first. So, lol.

Prove that love is less powerful than AK, go ahead.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
No, it does nothing, it's a hypothetical that shows nothing.

If someone brings brass knuckles to a fight, hitting them in the balls is no more effective than if they had not, it is not a counter to brass knuckles. The guy with brass knuckles still has an advantage entirely independant of your nut shot, and he could just as easily cock knock you first. So, lol.

Prove that love is less powerful than AK, go ahead.

It shows you don't even know what a counter even means.

You can counter by kicking him in the nuts which will cause any self respecting man to be quite vulnerable.

Already done so since Av kills and love doesn't. 😂

Originally posted by quanchi112
It shows you don't even know what a counter even means.

You can counter by kicking him in the nuts which will cause any self respecting man to be quite vulnerable.

Already done so since Av kills and love doesn't. 😂


In order for something to be countered by something else, the counter has to be relevant to it, or else it's not a counter, it's simply a cause followed by an effect. Kicking someone in the nuts is a cause, pain and an ass beating are the effect.

Hurr hurr nutshots are funny, and will definitely instantly counter an armed opponent!

Love has no reason to kill, love is ideologically incompatible with killing, ergo your 'proof' falls apart.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
In order for something to be countered by something else, the counter has to be relevant to it, or else it's not a counter, it's simply a cause followed by an effect. Kicking someone in the nuts is a cause, pain and an ass beating are the effect.

Hurr hurr nutshots are funny, and will definitely instantly counter an armed opponent!

Love has no reason to kill, love is ideologically incompatible with killing, ergo your 'proof' falls apart.

You can counter someone by kicking them in the nuts to their brass knuckle attack. A counter can be a relevant attack to offset an initial attack just like the love sacrifice was in response to an Av.

In the same love spell the person dies so not really an optimal defense.

😂

Originally posted by quanchi112
You can counter someone by kicking them in the nuts to their brass knuckle attack. A counter can be a relevant attack to offset an initial attack just like the love sacrifice was in response to an Av.

In the same love spell the person dies so not really an optimal defense.

😂


Go try that against someone with brass knuckles and get back to me on how it went.

It may very well have not been an optimal love spell. In universe it is described as a simple charm.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Go try that against someone with brass knuckles and get back to me on how it went.

It may very well have not been an optimal love spell. In universe it is described as a simple charm.

We are judging based on what we see not potentials or possibilities. Av is more powerful and a counter doesn't have to be superior in power to an initial attack.

That was just an example in theory.

We see AK outdone by love, you have not proved that love is weaker. Prove that it is.

Get some facts for me.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
We see AK outdone by love, you have not proved that love is weaker. Prove that it is.

Get some facts for me.

We see her baby survive because she gave her own life to save him. Love can counter but it isn't more powerful nor does a counter have to be more powerful to be effective.

Your theories which aren't based on anything.

Prove. That.

You're the one theorizing AK is more powerful than Love.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Prove. That.

You're the one theorizing AK is more powerful than Love.

Due to a counter not being more powerful than an initial attack and the fact Av kills while no love charm ever has.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Due to a counter not being more powerful than an initial attack and the fact Av kills while no love charm ever has.

Except the counter was more powerful, it didn't just stop the curse, it reflected the curse right back at Voldemort.

Love has no reason to kill.