Basically everything, but particularly the fact that Ganondorf cannot be killed by a petty spell like AK, having resisted much more potent magic.
Created by the sages.
The entire time Link is in the Twilight Realm, the climax of OoT, when Link draws it, etc.
AK is not powerful enough to kill Ganondorf, it has no feats to suggest it can overcome the ToP.
Originally posted by quanchi112That's not my problem :T Still, its two SPN threads you've avoided. Welp, not only semi-conscious, thread time.
I didn't care for that battlezone. Maybe one day you will be lucky enough to face me in one.
Originally posted by quanchi112
1) speculation2) Everyone in potter has magical power yet they can't seem to stop it. Dorf can't either since he has no resistance to this magic.
3) apples and oranges.
4) mortal wound was resisted but we can't just attach a no limits fallacy. We never saw his body blown to smithereens so we can't assume he can't be killed.
Voldemort wins.
1. False. Fact: Light Arrows are empowered by holy light, its main use, which Dorf resists. +1
2. I must have forgotten the part in HP where AK kills a character with both magical resistance and has shown to survive the same level of fatality AK produces. Be a doll and point it out to me?
Completely missed the point. See this is what happens when you give lax responses. I didnt say magic users, I said resistance + durability, which HP lacks.
3. Resistance afflicting magic = Resistance afflicting magic. You asked for it, and now your got it.. just ya don't know what to do with it. Oh! And resisting the touch of the Fused Shadow. +2
4. Who said anything about annihilation or no-limits? Dorf was able to resist a 'mortal level wound via impalement', so saying he can resist fatality on that level is not a no-limits at all.
Shit, just noticed. The greatest damage Tom can inflict is the power of the Shield buster, small building level. And using that spell even once started to split the Elder Wand. Either he uses his strong wand and is only allowed two or three strong spells, or he's reduced to his normal, weak wand.
I don't know why quan is so hung up on Ganondorf losing to a 17 year old with a powerful artifact. Since Voldemort was destroyed by a newborn baby.
(Though in reality, Ganondorf has also killed quite a few adults in his time. Even in Twilight Princess, recall Queen Rutela and the Sage of Water, for instance. He defeated the entirety of the Zora race when he froze them, too.)
Originally posted by ScreamPasteIt is comparing apples to oranges. We have never seen him resist specific magic.
Basically everything, but particularly the fact that Ganondorf cannot be killed by a petty spell like AK, having resisted much more potent magic.Created by the sages.
The entire time Link is in the Twilight Realm, the climax of OoT, when Link draws it, etc.
AK is not powerful enough to kill Ganondorf, it has no feats to suggest it can overcome the ToP.
And ?
You have no basis to come to any such conclusion other than personal bias.
Originally posted by BloodRain1. At the end of the day it is just force a force not even thought of as being powerful enough here in the game. Not impressed.
That's not my problem :T Still, its two SPN threads you've avoided. Welp, not only semi-conscious, thread time.1. False. Fact: Light Arrows are empowered by holy light, its main use, which Dorf resists. +1
2. I must have forgotten the part in HP where AK kills a character with both [b]magical resistance
and has shown to survive the same level of fatality AK produces. Be a doll and point it out to me?Completely missed the point. See this is what happens when you give lax responses. I didnt say magic users, I said resistance + durability, which HP lacks.
3. Resistance afflicting magic = Resistance afflicting magic. You asked for it, and now your got it.. just ya don't know what to do with it. Oh! And resisting the touch of the Fused Shadow. +2
4. Who said anything about annihilation or no-limits? Dorf was able to resist a 'mortal level wound via impalement', so saying he can resist fatality on that level is not a no-limits at all.
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2. Ak kills those it hits. Dorf was killed by a weapon which dispelled his magic so it makes sense for the Ak to kill him.
3. What examples are you referring to ?
4. He was vulnerable and subject to be attacked as they stood by. When he tries to resist this opens up the door for anyone to attack him.
Originally posted by The ScenarioDue to the mother intervening. Dorf just lost straight up. Unlike you I don't ignore the context.
I don't know why quan is so hung up on Ganondorf losing to a 17 year old with a powerful artifact. Since Voldemort was destroyed by a newborn baby.(Though in reality, Ganondorf has also killed quite a few adults in his time. Even in Twilight Princess, recall Queen Rutela and the Sage of Water, for instance. He defeated the entirety of the Zora race when he froze them, too.)
Nothing will save Dorf from the Ak.
Originally posted by quanchi112
1. At the end of the day it is just force a force not even thought of as being powerful enough here in the game. Not impressed.2. Ak kills those it hits. Dorf was killed by a weapon which dispelled his magic so it makes sense for the Ak to kill him.
3. What examples are you referring to ?
4. He was vulnerable and subject to be attacked as they stood by. When he tries to resist this opens up the door for anyone to attack him.
2. Weird. Because it sound like you're telling me that no character in HP with any sort of magical resistance has been killed by it. Lets see.. we know tangible shields block it, we know magically animated objects make the spell bounce off, and we know the low level magic of love was enough to ricochet it.. not looking good.
Can you show me it killing someone with resistance? Oui ou non?
3. We've got resisting Twilights affects (not even phased, thanks to the ToP), the Fused Shadows touch (a visually shown fact, did nothing to him), the holy light from the Light Spirits (quote states as much). Say what you want about the level of power or extent, even some tanget point. End point remains that he's been targetting and struck by types of afflicting magic to no use. He resists them. Thats a feat right there.
4. ..what are you on about here? Vulnerable? The guy pulled a sword out of his chest a second after he realized he was still alive. The guy resisted a mortal level wound. This is an undeniable fact.
Originally posted by BloodRain1. That is hyperbole. We don't ever see the light arrows doing anything whereas we see Ak clearly kill those it touches save for extenuating circumstances.
1. Magically enhanced attacks with a set affinity, the affinity means nothing on contact? Yay or nay? Least you forget; "In my hour of need, grant me the light to banish evil!". Not the light to hit evil really hard, but to banish it. The quotes stating its the light power thats attacking his evil nature. Afflicting, resisted, +1.2. Weird. Because it sound like you're telling me that no character in HP with any sort of magical resistance has been killed by it. Lets see.. we know tangible shields block it, we know magically animated objects make the spell bounce off, and we know the low level magic of love was enough to ricochet it.. not looking good.
Can you show me it killing someone with resistance? Oui ou non?
3. We've got resisting Twilights affects (not even phased, thanks to the ToP), the Fused Shadows touch (a visually shown fact, did nothing to him), the holy light from the Light Spirits (quote states as much). Say what you want about the level of power or extent, even some tanget point. End point remains that he's been targetting and struck by types of afflicting magic to no use. He resists them. Thats a feat right there.
4. ..what are you on about here? Vulnerable? The guy pulled a sword out of his chest a second after he realized he was still alive. The guy resisted a mortal level wound. This is an undeniable fact.
2. None of this pertains to Dorf here. We know the mirror bfr'd him and we know the master sword dispelled his magic. 🙂
3. Dorf supplied the power to the kong of the twilight so why would it affect him when his power was its base of power. 😂
Nothing Dorf ever resisted was anything other than magical force sans the Mirror and the Ms which both defeated him.
4. He is still vulnerable to be attacked while he is resisting. That is an undeniable fact. 🙂
Originally posted by quanchi1121. We see the holy light hold back the veil of twilight from covering the entire land.. but please, tell me more about how AK kills defensless people.. save for a baby who's loved.
1. That is hyperbole. We don't ever see the light arrows doing anything whereas we see Ak clearly kill those it touches save for extenuating circumstances.
😄2. None of this pertains to Dorf here. We know the mirror bfr'd him and we know the master sword dispelled his magic. 🙂
3. Dorf supplied the power to the kong of the twilight so why would it affect him when his power was its base of power. 😂
Nothing Dorf ever resisted was anything other than magical force sans the Mirror and the Ms which both defeated him.
4. He is still vulnerable to be attacked while he is resisting. That is an undeniable fact. 🙂
2. Afflicting magic, do keep up Quan you're slipping. We're talking about magic with afflicting powers. I should need to spell this out for you.
3. He was not the owner of Twilight, just someone who took control of it. You're not helping your case. If Dorf rendered hapless when in contact with Twilight?
Yet saying nothing about the fused shadows? Hmm..
4. Regardless of what you're thinking about on 'vulnerabilities', there is no mention on the fact that he resists it. I'll take that as your admittance then?
Originally posted by BloodRain1. Wizards are not defenseless people that is muggles. Seriously, this is flat out awful.
1. We see the holy light hold back the veil of twilight from covering the entire land.. but please, tell me more about how AK kills defensless people.. save for a baby who's loved.2. Afflicting magic, do keep up Quan you're slipping. We're talking about magic with afflicting powers. I should need to spell this out for you.
3. He was not the owner of Twilight, just someone who took control of it. You're not helping your case. If Dorf rendered hapless when in contact with Twilight?
Yet saying nothing about the fused shadows? Hmm..
4. Regardless of what you're thinking about on 'vulnerabilities', there is no mention on the fact that he resists it. I'll take that as your admittance then?
2. No, Dorf or his top is the source so why would it afflict him ?
3. He was the one who came to the Twili people and helped Zant. Why would their magic afflict him ? Their hatred in turn helped him in a symbiotic relationship.
4. He can resist a sword impaling which I never contested but he is vulnerable and can't heal from his wounds.
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Originally posted by quanchi1121. So show me their level of magical resistance. See, this is progress. Not we can establish limits.
1. Wizards are not defenseless people that is muggles. Seriously, this is flat out awful.2. No, Dorf or his top is the source so why would it afflict him ?
3. He was the one who came to the Twili people and helped Zant. Why would their magic afflict him ? Their hatred in turn helped him in a symbiotic relationship.
4. He can resist a sword impaling which I never contested but he is vulnerable and can't heal from his wounds.
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2.3. Dorf created the Light Spirits? Dorf created Twilight? Dorf created the Fused Shadows? 😐
Yes, because Twiligt itself liked Dorf so much it decided to give him a free pass...
4. Excellent. Plus one for resisting mortal level fatality.
Originally posted by BloodRain
1. So show me their level of magical resistance. See, this is progress. Not we can establish limits.2.3. Dorf created the Light Spirits? Dorf created Twilight? Dorf created the Fused Shadows? 😐
Yes, because Twiligt itself liked Dorf so much it decided to give him a free pass...
4. Excellent. Plus one for resisting mortal level fatality.
2. No, he aided the Twilight in a symbiotic relationship. The rest were examples of him resisting force.
Symbiotic relationship with Zant. Hatred empowered Dorf and Zant was his vessel. Wtf.
4. Just a sword which does not always kill and the wound never heals up so enough holes and no body.
Originally posted by quanchi112Whoever said scientifically? I'm asking you to show me wizards resisting afflicting magic, and the degree, so we can make a proper comparison. No science, just evidence.
1. In most areas of fiction we can't scientifically quantify it. This is usually the case especially when comparing differing magics.2. No, he aided the Twilight in a symbiotic relationship. The rest were examples of him resisting force.
Symbiotic relationship with Zant. Hatred empowered Dorf and Zant was his vessel. Wtf.
4. Just a sword which does not always kill and the wound never heals up so enough holes and no body.
Wrong, he aided Zant in taking over the realm. Do you think Twilight has some conscious bond with Dorf now?
Only if you believe the light arrows holy property means absolutely nothing. Would like to affirm that. And I take it touching the fused shadows is force?
Regardless, fact is that it happened. Up until the ToP gave him the ability to overcome it. And here we are, with Dorf resisting a fatality.
Originally posted by BloodRainWe see wizards resist power and what not through incantations, charms, etc. What makes the Ak so dangerous is it kills. No way around it for the most part.
Whoever said scientifically? I'm asking you to show me wizards resisting afflicting magic, and the degree, so we can make a proper comparison. No science, just evidence.Wrong, he aided Zant in taking over the realm. Do you think Twilight has some conscious bond with Dorf now?
Only if you believe the light arrows holy property means absolutely nothing. Would like to affirm that. And I take it touching the fused shadows is force?
Regardless, fact is that it happened. Up until the ToP gave him the ability to overcome it. And here we are, with Dorf resisting a fatality.
I do believe through Zant there is a symbiotic relationship. I mean it is rather obvious otherwise why go to Zant in the first place.
I believe it is power and nothing else. Touching what the mask or hat gizmo Midna wore after he defeated her ?
He resists a mortal wound not a kill spell which kills you immediately. Completely different.
Originally posted by quanchi112Examples.
We see wizards resist power and what not through incantations, charms, etc. What makes the Ak so dangerous is it kills. No way around it for the most part.I do believe through Zant there is a symbiotic relationship. I mean it is rather obvious otherwise why go to Zant in the first place.
I believe it is power and nothing else. Touching what the mask or hat gizmo Midna wore after he defeated her ?
He resists a mortal wound not a kill spell which kills you immediately. Completely different.
Why go to the madman literally praying for something Dorf could grant who also could be used for his escape? I guess.. that? Of there was some link, evidence. Because Twilight is not a conscious thing that picks sides.
That's a sad outlook. We both known the feats of the spirits, we know Zelda asked for that exact power to harm Dorf, and we know the spirits were the arrows that hit him? And to say otherwise, and without solid reasons beyond personal and reasonless belief? Yes, touching the mask/gizmo which has corrupted the creatures that touch it.
Resisting a mortal level fatality. AK delivers a mortal level fatality. That along any sort of magical resistance is more than enough. I know you know this, probably the adamant refusal on the resistant front.
Originally posted by BloodRainLove and self sacrifice charm which protects the one who was saved.
Examples.Why go to the madman literally praying for something Dorf could grant who also could be used for his escape? I guess.. that? Of there was some link, evidence. Because Twilight is not a conscious thing that picks sides.
That's a sad outlook. We both known the feats of the spirits, we know Zelda asked for that exact power to harm Dorf, and we know the spirits were the arrows that hit him? And to say otherwise, and without solid reasons beyond personal and reasonless belief? Yes, touching the mask/gizmo which has corrupted the creatures that touch it.
Resisting a mortal level fatality. AK delivers a mortal level fatality. That along any sort of magical resistance is more than enough. I know you know this, probably the adamant refusal on the resistant front.
There was a symbiotic relationship. Dorf further empowered the magic.
Yes, she asked for power to harm him but it wasn't enough force to kill him.
It did not corrupt Midna until she put it on. Dorf only held it.
Ak delivers instant death ala the magical variety not like a sword impalement which eventually can kill a mortal. Maples and oranges. It's like saying look plugging someone's nose kills them so naturally if someone can resist this they can resist Ak.
With Zant's death, his curse on Midna, through Ganondorf's power, is broken, and she regains her true form.
Yet you believe despite Dorf supplying the power behind this it would somehow effect him. This is taken from the Zeldapedia also. Trust me Bloodrain I only toy with you Fanboys and in battlezone form you'll see my true debating prowess. Shame Xanatos backed out at the last minute.