The Mad Celestials vs Tiamut/Exitar/Arishem/Ziran

Originally posted by Mr Master
I agree with both Galan and Slaneesh.

Galan is right and I've also argued this before,
it makes no difference what size the nullification sphere is,
the same energies that erase Space-Time shoot out of the UN
to erase an atom or the Multiverse.

ie. If a being/entity gets hit by the UN and survives,
then said being/entity is withstanding the same amount of force
that erased Abraxas/Eternity/Infinity.

That said, Slaneesh .. I agree. That shit makes No sense!

That is to say, Celestials (specially Eson) should not be tanking UN hits.

@Galan ... Thanos survived using the UN in Reality 9777, so has Galactus in 616.

That detail depends on the will. (survival after using it)

Anyways, a Celestial was hit with another alternate UN in Fantastic Four#572 during the first confrontation of the Council and the Celestials. The blast managed to at least appear to damage that Celestial on-panel(we never saw whether that Celestial survived or not because it never reappeared on-panel), before the UN backfired on the Reed:

On a sidenote, Hickman greatly exploited plot-based constraints like IGs only functioning in their native universes and UNs backfiring on their wielders in order to give the Celestials a decent chance against the Council.

Reed’s closet weapons > Ultimate Nullifier?

^Yup.

I hate Reed

Originally posted by guy222
I hate Reed

Originally posted by kgkg
Reed’s closet weapons > Ultimate Nullifier?

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
^Yup.

Originally posted by guy222
I hate Reed

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
^Yup.

Hickman has a LOT to answer for concerning that entire "Council of Reeds" arc. Let's see if he can redeem himself during his Avengers run.

Originally posted by Slaanesh
u think he was amp to the point he can take on 4 being who tank a device that can destroy and recreate reality??he ate 4 planet..not a galaxy..Galactus is powerful..but not that powerful..

Point: even without merging, the MCs were hella powerful.

Originally posted by Slaanesh
if i'm not mistaken..the user only died if their mind wasn't strong enough..them not being strong enough effect the power of the nullifier rite..like i said..it's either they are not competent enough to use the UN or that feat is stupid..

Originally posted by Mr Master
@Galan ... Thanos survived using the UN in Reality 9777, so has Galactus in 616.

That detail depends on the will. (survival after using it)

Originally posted by Galan007
My friend, Franklin Richards(a confirmed universal reality warper) was unable to defeat 3 Mad Celestials solo, and had to literally sacrifice himself via a last-ditch kamikaze attack just to defeat Eson. That should help you gauge just how powerful Galactus must have been to take on the Celestials.

eh, really wouldn't consider it a kamikaze attack/ sacrifice, he wasn't killed in the process, (which has been confirmed)

Originally posted by Mr.SunKing
[b]eh, really wouldn't consider it a kamikaze attack/ sacrifice, he wasn't killed in the process, (which has been confirmed) [/B]

^That probably was Eson's juices splattering all around upon being blown up.

Strange though, that even after Doon owned y'all, that you guys still seem to cling(reflexively) to the notion of Frank having sacrificed himself during that battle. 😆

If you read that battle without reading the formspring comment Hickman posted after the comic was released, it certainly appeared that Frank sacrificed himself, and G resurrected him(much like Frank resurrected G in that very same issue.)

We know now, though, that Hickman intended differently. I clarified above what I meant by 'sacrifice/kamikaze'. Save the arrogance for people who care. 👆/😆

^I did read that battle, and it didn't appear as clear cut to me as it was showcased in that thread. In fact, before joining this site, I was one of the first posters to upload the whole battle on comicvine, and I'd also discussed the issue with the more reasonable(something which is rare over there) posters on that site. Tbh, there were a lot of interpretations floating around that arc, not just limited to Frank's death and resurrection. Some people thought that the blue ball which Frank fed the Big-G was the baby universe that kid Frank had been nurturing in prior issues, although we now know this wasn't the case.

I see that I started a trend with following Hickman's formspring replies. I am the catalyst of a revolution on the KMC comic battleboards now.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
^I did read that battle, and it didn't appear as clear cut to me as it was showcased in that thread. In fact, before joining this site, I was one of the first posters to upload the whole battle on comicvine, and I'd also discussed the issue with the more reasonable(something which is rare over there) posters on that site. Tbh, there were a lot of interpretations floating around that arc, not just limited to Frank's death and resurrection. Some people thought that the blue ball which Frank fed the Big-G was the baby universe that kid Frank had been nurturing in prior issues, although we now know this wasn't the case.

I see that I started a trend with following Hickman's formspring replies. I am the catalyst of a revolution on the KMC comic battleboards now.

Also formspring is a great tool... When Hickman actually answers questions lol.

Originally posted by Galan007
You lost me when you said comicvine posters can be reasonable.

Also formspring is a great tool... When Hickman actually answers questions lol.

Its also great for posting lulzworthy stuff on the Ownage thread, written by people like Tom Brevoort.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Well the way it was portrayed in that arc, it appears that for the blast to be fully effective, the wielder has to have the utmost focus while firing the Nullifier. The slightest deviation in concentration causes it to backfire back on the wielder.

Anyways, a Celestial was hit with another alternate UN in Fantastic Four#572 during the first confrontation of the Council and the Celestials. The blast managed to at least appear to damage that Celestial on-panel(we never saw whether that Celestial survived or not because it never reappeared on-panel), before the UN backfired on the Reed:

On a sidenote, Hickman greatly exploited plot-based constraints like IGs only functioning in their native universes and UNs backfiring on their wielders in order to give the Celestials a decent chance against the Council.

Hickman prolly won't redeem himself. Stupid bastard 😂

Its not as bad as the guy who put SS in an armbar. I heard that writer is doing the funnies in newspapers.

Originally posted by ThereIsHope
Its not as bad as the guy who put SS in an armbar. I heard that writer is doing the funnies in newspapers.

Is it Hell's newspaper?

I honestly don't understand what the Hickman hate is about.

Originally posted by Galan007
I honestly don't understand what the Hickman hate is about.

Guy didn't like the Celestials losing like they did

That's all