Denton Van Zan Vs. the Wood-chipper from Fargo

Originally posted by focus4chumps
well not in the pointless sense of van zan's suicide. for 2 reasons in particular:

1-he was dead already, with vitals presumably crushed and coughing up blood. it was the end for him anyway.

2-the predator just didnt count on dutch being so quick to get away and take cover, but it was a highly effectual last attack.

whereas with van zan's suicide:

1-he was completely in tact physically even though he was batshit-butthurt and had an escape route which he ignored.

2-his attack would have been equally ineffectual if he HAD swung the axe, it would have done the exact same amount of damage as if it were a feather duster.

🙂

I agree Van's attack was poorly thought out and executed but if that was suicide then so was the Pred's attempt. And seeing as how the mindset here is "once suicidal always suicidal" the most here should agree that just about any movie character that killed themselves for any reason would jump head first in the wood chipper

Originally posted by quanchi112
That was what he chose to do in the circumstances before him. That's in character most might try to run but not Zan. You implore cowardice I do not.

You run from me while I keep coming for you.

No, I'm attempting to have a conversation and you know I am right.

Taking the path that could lead to surviving and possibly going on to help your teammates accomplish the mission wouldn't be "cowardice", but since you're irrational as you think Van Zan could have survived his jump into the dragon, I can see you thinking that, irrational-man.

/derp

You're attempting to start a shit-fling again and distract, cos it's a defense tactic you use when you're clearly wrong and it's shown.

Originally posted by juggerman
I agree Van's attack was poorly thought out and executed but if that was suicide then so was the Pred's attempt.

he had dutch hovering over him with a giant rock, about to flatten his head.

since he had 3 possibilities:

(1-get head crushed by rock, 2-die where he lay, or 3-set off bomb)

i dont think it was really suicide, since there was no option of "try to escape". had he had the opportunity and denied it, then yes i would be inclined to agree.

Originally posted by focus4chumps
he had dutch hovering over him with a giant rock, about to flatten his head.

since he had 3 possibilities:

(1-get head crushed by rock, 2-die where he lay, or 3-set off bomb)

i dont think it was really suicide, since there was no option of "try to escape". had he had the opportunity and denied it, then yes i would be inclined to agree.

Dutch dropped the rock before he started the self destruct process

While true, Predator was clearly dying, we see him coughing up his guts and he's given up. His options were die there or explode himself and possibly take out Dutch.

Also stands to reason that the bomb also serves the purpose of covering up their existence should they find themselves in a compromised position.

Originally posted by Robtard
While true, Predator was clearly dying, we see him coughing up his guts and he's given up. His options were die there or explode himself and possibly take out Dutch.

Also stands to reason that the bomb also serves the purpose of covering up their existence should they find themselves in a compromised position.

And the Pred in part two?

Originally posted by juggerman
Dutch dropped the rock before he started the self destruct process

this is true, but predator was still helpless and im sure he was bright enough to know there would be no pardons issued for him.

also the policy of predators to kill off any enemy victors. this is apparent in both 1&2 as well as AVP. whenever they lose and are about to die, they set off the nuke. on the surface this might seem like a butthurt underhanded move, but it could also serve to protect future hunters from any prey who are wise to fighting them.

anyway the big difference was that the predator was mortally wounded and was facing 100% certain death since he was thoroughly crushed and puking up blood. perhaps on his own world they have the tech to fix him, but he was on his own in the wilderness.

Originally posted by Robtard
Also stands to reason that the bomb also serves the purpose of covering up their existence should they find themselves in a compromised position.

You beat me to it. 😛

Yes, a Yautja (Predator) usually carries the wrist nuke in order to erase it's existence (and perhaps it's dishonour at losing to a prey species?) Yeah, the first Predator (the one Dutch killed) was pretty much paraplegic, and had suffered enough catastrophic internal injuries to render it's lifetime to within a few minutes, it did the only thing it deemed rational and to it's own culture, honourable.

Of course, this isn't the only application of the wrist nuke we have seen, Wolf pretty much utilised it to eliminate evidence of a Yautja ship and continue the hunt for Xenos. And there are other examples from the EU, but given this is the movies vs, I'll not elaborate on those.

Originally posted by juggerman
And the Pred in part two?

IIRC, they were both about to fall off a very tall building so the Pred activated the bomb (also goes along with the 'cover up their existence should they be compromised'😉. Then Glover cut his arm off, yes?

IMO, you're missing the bigger point of Van Zan's constant irrational state and how it would apply here. Predator's weren't overly irrational, afaik.

Originally posted by Robtard
Taking the path that could lead to surviving and possibly going on to help your teammates accomplish the mission wouldn't be "cowardice", but since you're irrational as you think Van Zan could have survived his jump into the dragon, I can see you thinking that, irrational-man.

/derp

You're attempting to start a shit-fling again and distract, cos it's a defense tactic you use when you're clearly wrong and it's shown.

You are a runner. Every time I challenge you run. You're gutless.

I am right and understand the character. You believe Zan jumps into a woodchipper. I think it's hilarious. Zan wins.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He tried to kill the dragon. That isn't suicide. You agree he attacked the dragon.

You are a runner. Every time I challenge you run. You're gutless.

I am right and understand the character. You believe Zan jumps into a woodchipper. I think it's hilarious. Zan wins.

So jumping off a tower towards a dragon and having no chance of surviving is no longer suicide. 😂

More of that same /derp ranting.

You're the "character portrayal means more!" ranter in here. But you being you, you like to pick and choose when that counts, along with context. So biased.

well quanchi its almost time to celebrate your undying butthurt. 🙂

100 pages of your obstinate crying in the face of proven screen feats 🙂

refreshments will be served 🙂

Originally posted by focus4chumps
refreshments will be served 🙂

You might want to check Quanchi's tear-level before you make promises you can't fulfill.

Originally posted by Robtard
You might want to check Quanchi's tear-level before you make promises you can't fulfill.

no no we have plenty of casks of quanchi tears. more than enough to host everyone.

light the candles and get your party hats on its almost time. 🙂

One more page!!!!!!

Almost there

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Originally posted by juggerman
One more page!!!!!!

So close, but yet so far.

Damn your edit!

Yeah, didn't want to troll 🙂