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Vitiate's Team -vs- Sidious's Team
Prominent players from the KotoR Era versus players from Post-KotoR.
Vitiate's Team:
Vitiate (After feeding on Nathema)
Revan (Peak)
Malak (Star Forge-enhanced)
Sidious' Team
(Dark Empire) Sidious
Darth Plagueis (Peak)
Count Dooku (Peak)
Battle takes place on Vjun. In the Courtyard of Bast Castle.
Starting Distance Apart: 10 Feet.
Can Vitiate's team win, or will Sidious' team crush them?
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
What is this?
Plagueis defeats anyone on team A.
ROTS Sidious defeats anyone on team A.
Dooku likely defeats anyone sans Vitiate on team A...
DE Sidious is an overkill…. RotS Sidious would be enough.
Vitiates is arguably about equal in the Force power to RotS Sidious, with rivaling, if not exceeding, mind-domination powers. But there are two words that must be spelled out: preparation and ritual. Vitiate relied heavily on both. In combat on neutral ground it will not suffice.
Saber-wise, no contest, Sidious takes it. In a combat scenario this would be a major advantage.
Originally posted by Dolos
I'd have to say Sidious' team because Sidious and Plagueis are stronger than everyone but Vitiate.
It is funny that people are underestimating Vitiate's dark side powers.
- What if Vitiate succeeds in mind-raping everybody?
- What if Vitiate destroys bodies of his opponents with his FL abilities?
- What if Vitiate employs Sith Sorcery to confuse or harm opponents during combat?
Vitiate have purged entire Dark Councils and defeated whole Strike Teams with his powers. It is stupid to cast his competencies aside with foolish assumptions that Sidious and Plagueis won't get hurt or loose their bodies after enduring extremely potent attacks.
Revan is also a very potent threat. With his Force powers, he can put significant pressue within the ranks of Sidious' team. Heck, Malak aboard Star Forge was also a very competent foe.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Dooku likely defeats anyone sans Vitiate on team A...
Originally posted by axel_jovan
DE Sidious is an overkill….
He didn't WTFpwn DE Luke. In contrast, Exar kun did.
See the difference?
Sidious is incredibly powerful in his own way. However, to assume that he is possibly the most effective combatant is a logical fallacy.
Originally posted by axel_jovan
RotS Sidious would be enough.
Originally posted by axel_jovan
Vitiates is arguably about equal in the Force power to RotS Sidious, with rivaling, if not exceeding, mind-domination powers.
Originally posted by axel_jovan
But there are two words that must be spelled out: preparation and ritual. Vitiate relied heavily on both. In combat on neutral ground it will not suffice.
Originally posted by axel_jovan
Saber-wise, no contest, Sidious takes it. In a combat scenario this would be a major advantage.
Originally posted by axel_jovan
Sidious is canonically stated to be the most powerful Sith Lord up to the time of RotS….
Plagueis has feats that also put him in top tier, if not top 5. Combat wise he seems to surpass Vitiate.
Yeah, that won't be happening. Setting aside the oft reiterated fact that Vitiate won't be able to subjugate his enemies with any meaningful speed, Sidious has "mindhaxxed" Starkiller, Luke, and Kam Solusar as well as billions of inhabitants from Byss and Coruscant. Who's to say he won't be delivering the mind rape?
Lol.
He didn't 'mindhaxx' Starkiller, he slightly compelled him to kill Vader. Starkiller wasn't under his control and it was shattered as soon as Kota spoke. Luke he only 'mindcontrolled' after defeating and torturing him and its very ambiguous if thats actually what he did. I dunno about Kam, show the evidence.
And obviously Byss was over several years and through probably ritualistic means.
Nephthys
Lol.He didn't 'mindhaxx' Starkiller, he slightly compelled him to kill Vader. Starkiller wasn't under his control and it was shattered as soon as Kota spoke.
*Bail Organa, not Kota.
The effect was described as "hypnotic suggestion" and "ghastly charisma" that "mesmerized" Starkiller. When Kota interfered and drew Palpatine's attention, Bail Organa's plea shattered "the Emperor's influence," which slid "off [Starkiller] like oil."
Not seeing where Vitiate's version, after a millennium of study and munching on eight thousand Sith Lords, is any better. 😬
Nephthys
Luke he only 'mindcontrolled' after defeating and torturing him and its very ambiguous if thats actually what he did. I dunno about Kam, show the evidence.
Dark Empire II Audiobook
Sound: The music crashes into "Imperial Attack" as the clash
of lightsabers is heard.LUKE AND KAM: (grunting with effort)
KAM: DIE, SKYWALKER!!!
LUKE: You cannot defeat me, Dark Jedi.
KAM: If I do not (grunts), others will follow (slash)!! I--
uhh--am one of many! The Emperor's Dark Side warriors will
find you!LUKE: Uhh!! If you kill me-unn--I will gain powers beyond
your imagination.KAM: Your Jedi delusions mean nothing--uhn--to me!!
LUKE: And your Dark Side powers are nothing to me, Kam
Solusar.KAM: (lashes at Luke, who blocks) How do you know my name?
LUKE: Through the Force. The Force brought me here, to
Nespis VIII. It also brought me your name, and the knowledge
that you have NOT completely gone over to the Dark Side!KAM: NO!!! (Keeps striking at Luke, who blocks every move.)
I am a Dark Jedi. I serve the Emperor!!LUKE: The Emperor is dead. The Dark Side is defeated. I feel
the good in you!!KAM: NO! (Attacks again--but not as hard as before.)
LUKE: I sense your old life. Before the Dark Side ensnared
you. (Sound: Force hum begins.) When the Force flowed
through you.KAM: NO!! NNNOOO!!! (Attacks, but his heart's not in it
anymore. With visible effort, he turns off his lightsaber.)
My life is forfeit, Jedi. Kill me.LUKE: I do not take life unless I must. Yours I give back to
you. (turns off his lightsaber.)KAM: Why? When I lured you here....I would have made this
derelict space station your grave.
The tomb of the last Jedi Master.LUKE: Instead, I will make it the place of your rebirth. You
were a Dark Jedi once. But only because you fell under the
Emperor's spell. Now that spell is broken!!Sound: The Force rises, to a wail. Kam cries out.
LUKE: Kam Solusar--I give you back your life!! I give you
your freedom! I give you the power that is already yours--
the power of the Jedi!!Sound: The Force fades.
KAM: (with new strength in his voice) Skywalker.....I'm
free.LUKE: The Force is strong in you.
Nephthys
And obviously Byss was over several years and through probably ritualistic means.
Probably. But then, so too are Vitiate's. 😬
Reference ambiguity and probability (or possibilities, for that matter), and I can bury all of Vitiate's highest showings in such things.
Which brings me back to the point I made elsewhere: Sidious dominates, no matter how you slice it.
Team 1 wins.
Originally posted by axel_jovan
👆DE Sidious is an overkill…. RotS Sidious would be enough.
Vitiates is arguably about equal in the Force power to RotS Sidious, with rivaling, if not exceeding, mind-domination powers. But there are two words that must be spelled out: preparation and ritual. Vitiate relied heavily on both. In combat on neutral ground it will not suffice.
Saber-wise, no contest, Sidious takes it. In a combat scenario this would be a major advantage.Sidious is canonically stated to be the most powerful Sith Lord up to the time of RotS….
Plagueis has feats that also put him in top tier, if not top 5. Combat wise he seems to surpass Vitiate.
Notsreifsrs. ROTS Sidious shouldn't be compared to Vitiate in anything force related.
Originally posted by steveholt951
You're not sure how Vitiate's munching of 8,000 force using sith lords within a week or two is better than a gradual mind wipe of Byss' inhabitants? Hmmm
Vitiate's leeching of Nathema required the participation of those 8k Sith Lords. Sidious enslaved and devoured a population 2.5 million times greater than those eight thousand. Sidious's feat is exponentially greater.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Vitiate's leeching of Nathema required the participation of those 8k Sith Lords. Sidious enslaved and devoured a population 2.5 million times greater than those eight thousand. Sidious's feat is exponentially greater.
Sidious required decades for his "ritual", which didn't really do much for his "immortality", whereas Vitiate's 10 day long ritual granted him immortality. Vitiate's feat is more impressive.
Originally posted by steveholt951
Sidious required decades for his "ritual",
Do you have a source for 'decades'? Byss and the Deep Core does not attribute an exact time measurement.
Originally posted by steveholt951
which didn't really do much for his "immortality",
Do you have a source that he sought immortality from this experiment? Because The Book of Sith simply says he was collecting an energy pool from Byss for alchemical experiments.
Originally posted by steveholt951
whereas Vitiate's 10 day long ritual granted him immortality. Vitiate's feat is more impressive.
If Sidious were intending to use it to achieve immortality, I might be inclined to agree. But the goal in this case is inconsequential. Sidious's efforts were more impressive in their scale and scope.
If Sidious were intending to use it to achieve immortality, I might be inclined to agree. But the goal in this case is inconsequential. Sidious's efforts were more impressive in their scale and scope. [/B]
Since we don't know what "goals" Sidious had and since the inhabitants of Byss apparently lived out their lives fine, whether it was in a perpetual state of a valium induced high or not, it's not the same thing as getting the life sucked out of you, or destroying a planet and achieving immortality.