Originally posted by leonidas
hmm, where did you get the idea that the gentry is directly involved? not saying you're wrong, just legit curious.
Well Sivana uses the SOS comic (which we later see to be a tool of the Gentry) almost as a guidebook to communicate we the other universes. Presumably the Sivanas are acting as the pawns of the Gentry much like the invader from Earth 40 in the SOS comic.
Anyways, at the end of the comic the Gentry directly threaten Cap Marvel saying that they will escape and destroy everything. This isn't present in the actual comic showing that it is indeed the Gentry speaking out of it to Marvel.
I thought it was just Ultra Comics that was a tool of the Gentry. In fact, I didn't think this issue was so much about The Gentry being defeated, but rather that it was showing a better, more hopeful world where the Gentry were never able to break through in the first place (only issue so far not to feature it). Just look at the second last page when they're looking at the S.O.S. comic and they talk about how it was cancelled (the implication being that the bleaker series don't sell well and that the popular ones on this world were the ones where good wins).
I took that scene as a metaphor of how the Gentry came into the multiverse. As the bugs exploit the gap to find their way into that hole and grow/spread; so do the Gentry, exploiting the gap left behind in Final Crisis with the demise of the Monitors save for Nix, enter the multiverse and spread their evil influence.
cool, either one works i guess. rereading the books, i think i like the JUST the best so far. which is odd. after the initial reading i liked that one the least. loads of info in that book. missed the first time around but the retaliators universe was destroyed by nix. i wonder how president superman and capt carrot and the others escaped the destruction of that universe? and it was odd that nix was brought there directly from what appeared to be a collection of marvel-based items and not, apparently, the comic book, which is how lady merciless's ideas are being promulgated....
Originally posted by ares834
Considering the fact that the Gentry speak through the SoS comic, I think it's safe to say it is a tool of some sort. It's just not nearly as overt as Ultra Comics.
Not sure why that bit of dialogue from S.O.S. at the end of TA wasn't in our version of the comic, but either way how sure can we be that it was being said by the Gentry?
The S.O.S. issue seems to serve primarily as a warning to the other Earths, while at the same time the inspiration for various villains to seek out other Earths, but in terms of directly spreading the influence of The Gentry that seems to be the exclusive domain of Ultra Comics. I could be wrong though.
Originally posted by leonidas
rereading the books, i think i like the JUST the best so far.
I really liked The Just as well, thought it was a lot better than people gave it credit for and out of all the one-shots so far the best and most involved issue when it comes to the meta-story.
This is how I rank them so far:
1. The Multiversity #1 - 9.5
2. Pax Americana #1 - 9.2
3. The Just #1 - 8.4
4. S.O.S. #1 - 7.6
5. Thunderworld Adventures #1 - 6
Originally posted by appletonia
Not sure why that bit of dialogue from S.O.S. at the end of TA wasn't in our version of the comic, but either way how sure can we be that it was being said by the Gentry?The S.O.S. issue seems to serve primarily as a warning to the other Earths, while at the same time the inspiration for various villains to seek out other Earths, but in terms of directly spreading the influence of The Gentry that seems to be the exclusive domain of Ultra Comics. I could be wrong though.
I really liked The Just as well, thought it was a lot better than people gave it credit for and out of all the one-shots so far the best and most involved issue when it comes to the meta-story.
This is how I rank them so far:
1. The Multiversity #1 - 9.5
2. Pax Americana #1 - 9.2
3. The Just #1 - 8.4
4. S.O.S. #1 - 7.6
5. Thunderworld Adventures #1 - 6
i agree with you in regards to the sos book and the ultra book. the gentry do seem responsible for both though. thinking about it a little more, it doesn't really seem to make sense that the gentry would send out the sos book. why warn people? you'd think they wouldn't want anyone knowing. so....maybe they AREN'T responsible? as for the change in dialogue--on pg14 of pax, atom comments are the fact that the book keeps changing. so, maybe the stories are evolving based on what happens in the worlds on which they are based? i loved that first page with atom, when he mentions hearing someone knocking to get in... suitably creepy. and i liked the mention of 8 dimensions, echoing the algorithm.
after rereading pax i definitely enjoyed it a LOT more than i did the first time round. still, it has the least to do so far with the overall plot and there are still parts that have me scratching my head. some of the references are just too arcane for me to 'get' i guess and the backwards revelations were just too hard to keep track of in some cases. maybe ANOTHER reading will help. lol
anyway, i'd rank them as follows:
the just
book 1
pax/thunderworld
sos
i've really enjoyed all the books so far and the differences are all relatively small.
Great issue. Obviously we learn more about the Earths of the multiverse but we also learn more about the New Gods (the "nu52 gods" are once more mere emanations of the true New gods currently residing on Earth-51 since the end of Final Crisis) and some more on the history of the multiverse and how it all fits together.
Originally posted by Galan007
Nix Uotan, who is a member of The Gentry, awoke Darkseid.When the toon characters from Earth 42 were revived, you mean? Unknown. However, it is the same being whom The Gentry worship.
Sorry if i'm new here.
But does that mean that Darkseid's True Form (as was seen in Final Crisis) is going to come back even more powerful?
-We know Darkseid was resurrected, but not necessarily more powerful(unless he was transformed into a member of The Gentry.)
-We know that Darkseid is merely a single, insignificant piece of a much larger puzzle.
-We know the New Gods of Earth 51 cannot overcome these new threats in their current, weakened states.
-We know something BIG is going on with Earth 42.
-We know 'The Empty Hand' is evidently the mastermind/leader of The Gentry, and is likely responsible for their takeover of the multiverse.
-We know that Ultra Comics/Earth Prime is the linchpin to everything.