Do Unbelievers Know...?

Originally posted by Bat Dude
There have been tons of prophecies of the Bible that have already been fulfilled throughout history.

The 4 major empires of the ancient world (Babylon, Persia, Greece, Rome) Read Daniel 2
The split of Rome into two empires, again, read Daniel 2
Destruction of the temple in Jerusalem, read Matthew 24:1-2
The return of Israel as a sovereign nation, read Isaiah 11:11-12, or pretty much any of the Old Testament prophets

And a lot more...

Whoa, am I getting deja vu?

You are delusional. Someone told you these lies and you choice to believe them.

Do unicorns realize they are fulfilling the prophesies in Harry Potter?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You are delusional. Someone told you these lies and you choice to believe them.

Do unicorns realize they are fulfilling the prophesies in Harry Potter?

Name calling isn't proof that you're right 😉

Lies? All 4 of those prophecies came to pass, and there's a ton more prophecy in the Bible that has come to pass.

The biggest proof of all? Israel. The Babylonians are gone. The Assyrians are gone. The Persians are gone. Yet Israel is a sovereign nation again, against all odds. As the Bible said it would be. 🙂

I gave you my proof.

Now let's see yours. 😛

Originally posted by Bat Dude
Name calling isn't proof that you're right 😉

Lies? All 4 of those prophecies came to pass, and there's a ton more prophecy in the Bible that has come to pass.

The biggest proof of all? Israel. The Babylonians are gone. The Assyrians are gone. The Persians are gone. Yet Israel is a sovereign nation again, against all odds. As the Bible said it would be. 🙂

I gave you my proof.

Now let's see yours. 😛

I never called you any names.

Those are not prophecies; those are examples of postdiction.

You have given No proof. All you have done is told me what you believe.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I never called you any names.

Those are not prophecies; those are examples of postdiction.

You have given No proof. All you have done is told me what you believe.

You called me delusional (which you have no proof of).

Why? Because YOU say they are?

And you just described what you've been doing this whole time.

I'd like to point out that I prophecied this a page ago.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I'd like to point out that I prophecied this a page ago.

Originally posted by Bat Dude
You called me delusional (which you have no proof of).

Why? Because YOU say they are?

And you just described what you've been doing this whole time.

I didn't ask the question of this thread. That was you!

The question you asked is based on an assumption that prophecies in the bible are true. Before you can ask the thread question, you must prove your assumption, and you have not done that.

It is far more likely that these prophecies are postdiction, and not prophecies at all.

You keep trying to get me to prove something, and that is why I say you are delusional.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I didn't ask the question of this thread. That was you!

The question you asked is based on an assumption that prophecies in the bible are true. Before you can ask the thread question, you must prove your assumption, and you have not done that.

It is far more likely that these prophecies are postdiction, and not prophecies at all.

You keep trying to get me to prove something, and that is why I say you are delusional.

Ok, then how about this?

You give me your definition of a prophecy, because it seems to me like you and I are reading these Bible verses completely differently (if you're reading them at all).

Originally posted by Bat Dude
Ok, then how about this?

You give me your definition of a prophecy, because it seems to me like you and I are reading these Bible verses completely differently (if you're reading them at all).

My definition of prophecy? I don't believe in magic.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
My definition of prophecy? I don't believe in magic.

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Originally posted by Bat Dude
I see humor in a lot of things. John Pinette is pretty funny sometimes. Same with Jeff Foxworthy and Bill Engvall. Seeing my 3-month old son drool on himself and smile is pretty funny. And I think my wife is hilarious.

But I see no humor in my faith. I have no desire to poke fun at my faith because I see that as making fun of the Almighty God that created not only me but the entire universe. And that's not something I want to do.

Plus, it's just not funny.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
You have terrible taste in comedians.

What can I say? I'm not a big fan of "F*** f*** f***, look at me, I'm saying f***" type of comedians. Those three are some of the cleanest comedians I know of. And I don't know what you're talking about, but Pinette's pretty funny.

Maybe it's just me, but I don't care.

My definition of prophecy? I don't believe in magic.

Prophecy isn't magic if it's of God. Yes, when fortune tellers and psychics and all these people try to prophesy, it's witchcraft and they're usually wrong with their prophecy anyway.

That's why the Bible talks about the test of a true prophet of God: if they are hitting on their prophecies 100% of the time.

But anyway, there's the problem. You wouldn't believe no matter what. It didn't matter what I said or did, you weren't going to believe anyway.

As the Bible said, "And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead." (Luke 16:31)

Originally posted by Bat Dude
You wouldn't believe no matter what. It didn't matter what I said or did, you weren't going to believe anyway.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I'd like to point out that I prophecied this a page ago.

Actually, relevant question for Bat Dude. How do you explain my ability to know how your conversation with Shakya would go? Does it count as prophecy?

Originally posted by Bat Dude
Name calling isn't proof that you're right 😉

Lies? All 4 of those prophecies came to pass, and there's a ton more prophecy in the Bible that has come to pass.

The biggest proof of all? Israel. The Babylonians are gone. The Assyrians are gone. The Persians are gone. Yet Israel is a sovereign nation again, against all odds. As the Bible said it would be. 🙂

I gave you my proof.

Now let's see yours. 😛

Well, for starters...Persians are not gone. Nor are Assyrians. They are both ethnic groups that still exist. Iran was known officially as Persia until the 1930s. And Israel is it's own country only because we decided to make it so.

Your 'prophecies' don't hold up to actual history.

Also, as far as god saying homosexuality is a sin...god said a lot of things in the old testament. But here's a fun fact that many Christians forget about - Jesus's sacrifice made it so Christians were freed from Old Testament law. Jesus preached to love and help everyone. So by saying that you believe homosexuality is a sin because the Bible said so, what you are really saying is that you are ignoring a core tenet of your own religion and that you think you know better than your own savior. And if you are going to continue to insist it's a sin because of Leviticus, you'd better not be doing all of the other things that book forbids!

Though hypocrisy is common amongst Christians, it seems.

Also, being called out for something blatantly offensive, "word of god" or not, doesn't make you persecuted. Nor does being forced to accept you aren't the only religion around.

Freedom of religion also means freedom from religion.

Warlocks are the enemy of God.

I dont care what kind of hero you make them. And had it been in the Old Testament, Harry Potter would have been put to death.

Well, for starters...Persians are not gone. Nor are Assyrians. They are both ethnic groups that still exist.

😆 Whoops, my bad. I knew I should have used different examples... Haha, see, I'll admit when I'm wrong 🙂

Originally posted by Peach
Also, as far as god saying homosexuality is a sin...god said a lot of things in the old testament. But here's a fun fact that many Christians forget about - Jesus's sacrifice made it so Christians were freed from Old Testament law. Jesus preached to love and help everyone. So by saying that you believe homosexuality is a sin because the Bible said so, what you are really saying is that you are ignoring a core tenet of your own religion and that you think you know better than your own savior. And if you are going to continue to insist it's a sin because of Leviticus, you'd better not be doing all of the other things that book forbids!

Though hypocrisy is common amongst Christians, it seems.

Uh, sorry, but you're wrong. And here's why:

In the New Testament, Jesus' apostles had this to say:

"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,"
-1 Corinthians 6:9

If Jesus had accepted homosexuality, why would His apostles (the ones who were with him throughout His ministry and who knew what He said) go about saying something the EXACT opposite?

Jesus himself said this:

"For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me."
-John 5:46

What did Moses say?

"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."
-Leviticus 18:22

So if we believe Moses, we'll believe Jesus. Moses wrote that homosexuality was an abomination in the sight of God.

Jesus also said:

"And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?"
-Matthew 19:5

If Jesus had accepted homosexuality, why would He make a point to mention that a MAN leaves his parents to cleave to his WIFE. Why not a man to his husband?

Jesus said this, as well:

"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil."
-Matthew 5:17

The apostles also said:
"What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet."
-Romans 7:7

Jesus FULFILLED the law. We are no longer justified by the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ, but He didn't outright destroy the law. The parts of the law that point out sin (as the apostles re-iterated) are still VERY valid, because what was sin then is still sin now. The ceremonial laws (like diet, etc.) have wisdom (the majority of unclean animals in the Bible were bottom-feeder types. You are what you eat), but are not necessary to follow anymore.

I actually had neighbors who were Assyrians/Part-Assyrians: the Bin-Sayaads. The wife was a fat redneck, the husband was a bronze muscle man who mowed his lawn shirtless every other day. You know, Soap Opera stuff.

Batdude,

Corinthians 6:9 - "effeminate" means "having feminine qualities untypical of a man : not manly in appearance or manner". So god doesn't want men to be girly, not necessarily homosexual. I've met gay men who were stereotypical "manly men" in dress, manner, speak. All barring their sexual taste.

John 5:46 - If you're going to use this passage to dictate that Leviticus is back on the table, then don't pick and choose which parts of Leviticus are back on. It's all or nothing. Now tell me, do you eat shellfish? Mix materials of clothing? Do you condone slavery of Mexicans and Canadians? Sacrifice and burn bulls?

Matthew 19:5 - Doesn't tell us homosexuality is wrong.

Matthew 5:17 - See above, if you're going to use this to support Leviticus, don't pick and choose. Accept all of Leviticus.