Do Unbelievers Know...?

The Eastern Orthodox church came from the 2nd line, the Roman Catholic line. They have pretty much the same structure (religious hierarchy with a pope-like "patriarch"😉 and same doctrines (pray to saints, "venerate" [meaning reverence/worship] Mary, works-based salvation, bowing to icons/statues/pictures, etc.). They (EO and RC) only split after 1054. Before that, they were in lock-step together.

And there HAD to be a separate line of Christians (whether they were "Baptist" or not is not my concern. I try not to put a denominational label on born again, Bible-believing Christianity. I decided to use that label because the unregistered Baptist movement is as close to Biblical Christianity as a denomination will get, imo) because the Catholic church persecuted, tortured and killed Christians who had a different doctrine during the Inquisitions and the Dark Ages. These Christians came from a separate line.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
But I did tell you time and again that I wasn't interested in the differences of opinion in your religion.

...Which has nothing to do with "not being able to take what I dish out." I didn't blatantly disrespect you, I replied to your posts with documented fact and you ignored it, likening it to complete gibberish. Now whether you want to read it or not is up to you, but to make a joke out of it is rude and disrespectful, imo.

If you can prove what I'm saying wrong, I WILL admit I'm wrong. But until you BIBLICALLY prove to me that what I'm saying is wrong, then I won't.

But, like I said, I can't make you read what I post.

You realize that something being in the bible does not make it documented fact, right?

Originally posted by Peach
You realize that something being in the bible does not make it documented fact, right?

Again, showing that nobody took the time to read my post... 🙁

I was referring to what I quoted from the book "The Glories of Mary" by Roman Catholic canonized "saint" Alphonsus Liguori. The book bears two marks: the nihil obstat and Imprimatur. These marks are used to denote a work that correctly reflects Roman Catholic doctrine.

Go back and read the two quotes I posted and know what I actually said before you try to rebuke me please 😉

Bat Dude, I agreed with your general premise but I don't agree with the severity of that premise. However, you're being just as demeaning of other's opinions as you said they were of yours. That won't get you very far.

You may be frustrated or even irritated but don't let that reflect in your words. I know you're human and should not be expected to have "Gandhi-like" patience and humility. If you need to, take a break, come back to the topic, and respond with a level head. Don't get caught up in ***-for-tats.

I am being a hypocrite but I don't pretend to be a good Christian by any stretch. I have a foul mouth, I am perverted, and I don't keep kindness in mind with many of my decisions. Maybe I expect someone like you, who actually has a brain and at least gives the impression of being a good Christian, to be of a higher standard. We have had people like JLA come through these parts (sorry, dude, I hope I don't offend you with this) so it is refreshing to see someone as smart and as dedicated as you posting.

Basically, I think this thread is good but you're going about it wrong.

That's the thing, he's smart.

Religion probably got him motivated on his education, or pulled him out of some steep shit. However, it wasn't the ancient archaic bible, it was the people who practiced it with him, and were able to make decisions outside the bible for themselves that inspired his good through positive example; thus explains his pertinacity to try and convince us of it's validity and power.

However, I have come to the conclusion that distinguishing religions based on minor differences, when all religions and faiths preach goodness, is a little silly. Religions are based on the unknown and perhaps the forever unknowable. I say perhaps because I have never to my knowledge died.

Originally posted by Bat Dude
The Eastern Orthodox church came from the 2nd line, the Roman Catholic line.

No, see, you really need to check properly! You have this backwards. The Roman Catholics came from the Orthodox Church. You're also looking at the formal rather than practical split if you are dating 1054.

The Roman Catholic Church didn't persecute any specific 'line' of Christians. They just persecuted individual groups that sprung up for all sorts of different reasons over time. Protestantism was only distinguished in that it split successfully. Baptism in turn split from Protestantism. There's no historical line; no traditional group from the beginning that baptism represents, and certainly no better claim to being Christian than other groups making the same claim.

I wish you were correct.
I truly wish that there were super heroes in outer space.
On the Hay Zeus question my mini-doc, two parts, sums my
thoughts/research on that.
youtube.com/watch?v=ZzY2bVsZK5s

youtube.com/watch?v=sckuqPulRGk

& below is my "Da Vinci Code" parody

Tor__Hershman, that's a terrible rhyme.

Baptists? Are these the ones that either approach you on the street or blatantly knock at your house door hoping to persuade you to take "true" Christianity?

Originally posted by -Pr-
It's hard believing in science AND a higher power... 🙁

Originally posted by Bat Dude
You have an insatiable desire to make a mockery of Christian beliefs, don't you? In this thread and the other... 🙁

There is such a thing as religious humor. It's a close rendition of the god/man "touch" from the basilica in Vatican city... why not joke about it?

There is a difference between mockery [which usually involves more "destructive" methods] than showing a silly picture.

I mean, if you can't laugh at yourself for something that's a part of you... you walk through the world without a sense of humor. And that's no fun at all.

Originally posted by Peach
Good for you. You aren't the only former Catholic here. Catholicism is part of Christianity, whether you like it or not, and you claiming otherwise does not change that fact.

I know what Catholics believe as well, because I was raised Catholic. It's more or less the same as most other Christian denominations.

That's why I'm a big fan of C.S. Lewis' Mere Christainity. The idea of basic unity between Christian denominations, while idealistic, seems to be very cogent.

Originally posted by Bat Dude
Now this thread is not meant in any way to come down on people or to puff myself up with pride that I know more than everybody or that I'm "in the know" and others aren't. That's not my intention. My intention is to help others receive the gift of salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Do unbelievers know or realize that they are quietly fulfilling Bible prophecy?

Whenever I talk about the Bible, or about Jesus, or about the Good News (especially on this site), I get met with bitter words directed against me. Even though I'm usually pretty civil in my discussion (I think I am, anyway) I get those kind of responses. My absolute favorite so far has to be this one:

And that's nowhere close to the worst of what many true Christians live with on a daily basis. Many, such as in Third World countries, predominantly Muslim countries, etc. suffer physical persecution, rape, assault, murder, etc. And in the western countries, especially the United States, the persecution is mostly verbal, with ridicule and mocking being the forms of choice.

The Bible said it was gonna be this way.

"Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake." (Matthew 5:11)

"If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you. If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you." (John 15:18-20)

Again, I'm not trying to put myself on a pedestal. I'm just legitimately wondering if anyone who would classify themselves as unbelievers actually realize this?

Feel free to discuss 🙂

Originally posted by psycho gundam
if you want to know if someone feels guilty for not buying an invisible product after reading that, it's a resounding "lol no".

I buy water all the time, that's almost like invisible.

More men and women and children were killed in the name of the Christian/Catholic God then many other religions despite one of the 10 commandments being 'Thou Shalt Not Kill'. That being said I am closest to christian in my beliefs. there are three topics you aren't supposed to discuss in public because of how silly people can get-and verbally or physically violent- and those would be politics, religion and I don't remember the other. My post was not meant to be a form of attack. I apologize if I offend.

Originally posted by Mindset
If God isn't real, the how do we exist?

Checkmate.

Because we, you, I have evidence that we do.

Oye vey. So basically if rape and murder and hate happens against christians its because jesus said so. And its his fault? But in this instance its not the "world" that apparently hates christians... but muslims...

And what if you switched it. Cause not everyone looks favorably upon muslims.

And the buddhists who mind their own business but don't necessarily hate... shouldn't they be hating on the christians because of this preconceived notion from the bible?

oye vey. i'm guessing picking a name like "batdude" also doesn't assume that you like batman or some other false idol before god right?

Originally posted by rotiart
And the buddhists who mind their own business but don't necessarily hate... shouldn't they be hating on the christians because of this preconceived notion from the bible?

funny that, when Buddhists control a government, they act just like anyone else

Re: Rohingya in Myanmar

Originally posted by Oliver North
funny that, when Buddhists control a government, they act just like anyone else

Re: Rohingya in Myanmar

hadn't heard of that...