Lol.
How is the Hulk not a High Herald? No comic character in history has had such a definitive push in the last 15 years as the Hulk.
He's gonna fight them like he does anybody else, with his strength. He's fast and strong enough to power through almost anything. A battle field removal is the only option.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Lol.How is the Hulk not a High Herald? No comic character in history has had such a definitive push in the last 15 years as the Hulk.
He's gonna fight them like he does anybody else, with his strength. He's fast and strong enough to power through almost anything. A battle field removal is the only option.
No one? How about Aquaman. Not as in Aquaman beats the Hulk but as in he's had a far greater push.
And 15 years, give me a break. David's run was dealing with a completely different Hulk and Pak didn't know what the hell he was doing. His "push" is Pak and Loeb banging their heads into the keyboard and then Hickman/Waid actually putting some literary worth to the mess 🙂
Further, why is everybody so hellbent on actually staying vague when it comes to Hulk winning anything? A 12 year old should be able to come with a simple strategy to beating the Hulk, Wally with his gazillion thoughts a second and Hal with the freaking OA database at his disposal can't come up with a way to beat someone who's stronger and more durable than him?
I have some simple basic plans that Hal could utilize against most bricks.
Square room around the Hulk, no gravity and a filter to deal with the thunderclap-energy.
A gamma-drain. He can even fashion it like a vacuum cleaner to suit Johns' idiot mentality.
An adhesive ball of green rubber elastic enough to stretch ten kilometers.
Various expanding constructions from within whoever he's fighting.
The list can go on. You just need to imagine it.
Don't get me started on Wally.
Originally posted by curryman
No one? How about Aquaman. Not as in Aquaman beats the Hulk but as in he's had a far greater push.And 15 years, give me a break. David's run was dealing with a completely different Hulk and Pak didn't know what the hell he was doing. His "push" is Pak and Loeb banging their heads into the keyboard and then Hickman/Waid actually putting some literary worth to the mess 🙂
Further, why is everybody so hellbent on actually staying vague when it comes to Hulk winning anything? A 12 year old should be able to come with a simple strategy to beating the Hulk, Wally with his gazillion thoughts a second and Hal with the freaking OA database at his disposal can't come up with a way to beat someone who's stronger and more durable than him?
I have some simple basic plans that Hal could utilize against most bricks.
Square room around the Hulk, no gravity and a filter to deal with the thunderclap-energy.
A gamma-drain. He can even fashion it like a vacuum cleaner to suit Johns' idiot mentality.
An adhesive ball of green rubber elastic enough to stretch ten kilometers.
Various expanding constructions from within whoever he's fighting.
The list can go on. You just need to imagine it.
Don't get me started on Wally.
Or Hal can just shoot him.
Krona buster baby.
Finally, Thor, at his highest point, would defeat Hal and Flash.
Of course, he has a plethora of horrendous showings, especially lately. There is no getting around this.
Also, as I scan thread after thread, I have been seeing a growing trend that includes, not just the non-stop use of his low showings, but forum members that have been flat-out discounting, dismissing and discrediting actual, on-panel feats of Thor that have been immensely high.
These feats have been systematically SHAT upon to the point that it has now become common practice to ignore the fact that Thor has been shown to have everything from speed feats, to planetary-class strength, to time control, to access to power that seems to have no limit, except the discretion and need of Thor at the moment.
In short, Thor has been shown, literally, to be able to do whatever he feels like doing at any time and successfully combat any foe up to and possibly beyond Galactus-level.
So, although it is currently acceptable to toss into the trash almost any Thor feat, history, art, comment or narration that supports the FACT that he is the most powerful character in his tier (and possibly even one or two tiers above), everything I have stated in this post is 100% accurate. Whether it is fashionable or not.
Originally posted by Horrificus
Finally, Thor, at his highest point, would defeat Hal and Flash.
Yes, you are right.
I've been getting too bogged down with the pathetic Hulk-wanking that I've completely missed our god of thunder. I'd like to note quickly that Hulk's showing often seem to come at the expense of Thor's performance.
Their side is not completely without recourse but these two on two's very often turn into two separate duels. Sadly this looks even worse for Thor and Hulk. They have some experience together but no real teamwork. Hal and Barry have a definite edge when it comes to teamwork and such.
Originally posted by carver9In my opinion, "Herald-Busters". A term I have used before.
So what is Doomsday or the General?
If a herald chooses to stand and fight one of these guys, (Doomsday or the General) there is a chance of loss. Also, if a herald-level character chooses to battle a character that happens to have a secret weapon or power that is specifically able to defeat the herald, there is a chance of loss.
It does not necessarily mean that the character with the weapon is on the same level as the herald. If every character that ever defeated a herald, was considered to be a "herald", it would turn the classification into a joke. Face it.
The only thing that characters like the Hulk, the General or Doomsday, etc, have in common with heralds, is strength. Other than that, they are completely different character types.
Originally posted by Horrificus
The only thing that characters like the Hulk, the General or Doomsday, etc, have in common with heralds, is strength. Other than that, they are completely different character types.
And out of these three General and Doomsday seem to consistently demolish teams of high heralds where as Hulk always ends up fighting Iron Man, Hercules and Namor 🙂
Originally posted by currymanI hear you. But, as I stated above, Hulk, in my opinion, is a "Herald-Buster". If somebody can beat Thor, from time to time, Hulk would be a guy that can do it. So, I don't want to take anything away from him.
Yes, you are right.I've been getting too bogged down with the pathetic Hulk-wanking that I've completely missed our god of thunder. I'd like to note quickly that Hulk's showing often seem to come at the expense of Thor's performance.
Their side is not completely without recourse but these two on two's very often turn into two separate duels. Sadly this looks even worse for Thor and Hulk. They have some experience together but no real teamwork. Hal and Barry have a definite edge when it comes to teamwork and such.
At the same time, I think that it is silly to ignore what Thor is, what he has done and what he is capable of doing. Which, is basically, anything, any time, anywhere, any way against anyone.
Originally posted by curryman
Yes, you are right.I've been getting too bogged down with the pathetic Hulk-wanking that I've completely missed our god of thunder. I'd like to note quickly that Hulk's showing often seem to come at the expense of Thor's performance.
Their side is not completely without recourse but these two on two's very often turn into two separate duels. Sadly this looks even worse for Thor and Hulk. They have some experience together but no real teamwork. Hal and Barry have a definite edge when it comes to teamwork and such.
Not too far from the truth. 😉
They can't be around each other without fighting.
Originally posted by Horrificus
In my opinion, "Herald-Busters". A term I have used before.If a herald chooses to stand and fight one of these guys, (Doomsday or the General) there is a chance of loss. Also, if a herald-level character chooses to battle a character that happens to have a secret weapon or power that is specifically able to defeat the herald, there is a chance of loss.
It does not necessarily mean that the character with the weapon is on the same level as the herald. If every character that ever defeated a herald, was considered to be a "herald", it would turn the classification into a joke. Face it.
The only thing that characters like the Hulk, the General or Doomsday, etc, have in common with heralds, is strength. Other than that, they are completely different character types.
That's not the only power Hulk, General, and Doomsday have though. You are missing a lot of stuff minus strength.
Originally posted by cdtmSexual tension is the cause of that. Thor just needs to come out of closet and beg for the green mean D.
YouTube videoNot too far from the truth. 😉
They can't be around each other without fighting.
Originally posted by Horrificus
I hear you. But, as I stated above, Hulk, in my opinion, is a "Herald-Buster". If somebody can beat Thor, from time to time, Hulk would be a guy that can do it. So, I don't want to take anything away from him.At the same time, I think that it is silly to ignore what Thor is, what he has done and what he is capable of doing. Which, is basically, anything, any time, anywhere, any way against anyone.
Yeah, I'm not looking to deny that Hulk has given Thor trouble, but I feel like these terms are getting out of hand. People are claiming that he's "crushed" high heralds and mid heralds many times. I get on such a statement and what I get is flamed --> a mod telling me that Hulk is high-herald and that's final.
Exactly. And when we know what Thor is capable of, or Flash, or Hal, why should we debate by going "Hulk's proven that he can fight these guys, so he would win." Completely ignoring what actually goes down in those fights and just putting him at that level.
Why are people endlessly wanking this one-dimensional joke character on a forum where the rules specifically try to kill PIS? I don't get it. Maybe I never will.
Don't mind Rage. All these years of Hulk shitting on Thor's chest has made him enter fanboy madness.
Hulk is a herald. He has strength, durability, healing factor on a herald level. He lacks versatility, but that doesn't really make him any less IMO.
I agree though. Characters should use their versatility to humiliate and get rid of Hulk, but we all know Hulk's biggest power is making people fight like dumbasses.
Originally posted by carver9I know what you are saying. Yeah, they have other powers. But, the group that can be listed as true herald-level characters, seem to have certain abilities in common, as well as power levels, speed, travel-ability, long-range attack, etc.
That's not the only power Hulk, General, and Doomsday have though. You are missing a lot of stuff minus strength.
It's like the difference between Prof X and Human Torch. Each has the power to destroy the other, but they are completely different character types.
Originally posted by leonidas👆
we're kind of debating minutiae at this point i think. you may feel they are at a higher level than i do, but i don't think the difference in where we see them is all that great. i just don't think ko'ing one automatically begets the notion that a similar blow will ohko thor at all. not imo at least, and i don't think you feel that way either, so, cheers.