Originally posted by carver9
And there are some high Heralds that have been completely embarrassed by Metas and streets as well but that doesn't take them out of their tier. Hulk has more showings of crushing Heralds than otherwise...even teams of them. Your logic is flawed bro. Stop responding to me.
Which high heralds have been completely embarrassed by streets?
No one's taken Hulk out of his tier.
He's in low herald.
Where he belongs.
And I wouldn't even give him good odds against half of the low herald tier.
Originally posted by curryman
Which high heralds have been completely embarrassed by streets?No one's taken Hulk out of his tier.
He's in low herald.
Where he belongs.
And I wouldn't even give him good odds against half of the low herald tier.
Surfer has been taken out by Mexincans and Spiderman embarrassed him.
Superman was embarrassed by Shadowdragon, the same person that Lady Shiva defeated.
Thor fought Wolverine, Spiderman, Mongoose...no need to continue.
These people are still high Heralds.
It's your opinion to think Hulk is low herald. Writers thinks otherwise.
Originally posted by carver9
Surfer has been taken out by Mexincans and Spiderman embarrassed him.Superman was embarrassed by Shadowdragon, the same person that Lady Shiva defeated.
Thor fought Wolverine, Spiderman, Mongoose...no need to continue.
These people are still high Heralds.
It's your opinion to think Hulk is low herald. Writers thinks otherwise.
Shadowdragon fought Superman under COMPLETELY different circumstances. Barely making it against Superman while he's trying to restrain you instead of killing you isn't exactly the same as getting choked out by a snake....
Couple of things tho, Surfer's losing because apparently a shovel will go through his superhuman durability.
Hulk's losing cause he has no ****ing versatility and an incredibly unreliable powerset.
And none of those guys actually beat Thor though, and if you wanna go by Masterson, well, he didn't even touch unarmed Thor. He's not the one in High Herald.
Be as mad as you want, but Hulk has terrible strength and durability until he actually builds up rage. It's not something you can wish away or debate, THAT'S JUST HOW IT IS. Doesn't matter what some writers believe cause we're here without PIS. And Hal fighting at the best of his ability with CIS on only means that he's not gonna drop Hulk into the frigging stone-age or have him locked in a bubble with twenty Shaggy Men pounding him into beef jerky. It doesn't mean that he's going not going to take advantage of something as simple as Hulk not having any range, not being able to fly and being completely reliant on gamma.
Originally posted by carver9
Picking and choosing buddy. No need to respond to that mess. Read up on some Hulk but until then, everything you say about the character will be ignored. Fuss with Marvel for claiming him as one of the most powerful beings to walk the planet.
Oh meaningless hyperbole, wonderful.
Concession Accepted.
Must be tough being the laughingstock of everybody.
Originally posted by carver9
Must be easy to ignore someone's history because of a dislike for a character. Like I said, your opinion on the character means nothing.
He does not have a history of being the mightiest creature to walk the earth.
How is it not hyperbole?
The Beyonder and TOAA and a hundred others like them have been on earth. Regardless of strong the Hulk is in comparison to his betters (Thor, Surfer, etc) he is clearly nothing but a dust-mite compared to these.
So how is that not hyperbole?
You ignoring Hulk taking out Captain Marvel, having an advantage over Genis, defeating Captain Marv-ell, Super Skrull, Thor, Sentry, Gladiator, Hyperion, hell, any Herald in Marvel, is you ignoring the character history. This doesn't include his team wrecking showings. You're focused on a snake but ignoring Surfer getting taken out by a hammer shot from some humans, or being worked by Spiderman or Ironman, or Black Panther. Even though these things happened to Surfer, we both agree he is still high Herald but you ignore it and focus on Hulk low fts. Just be quiet and again, your opinion of the character doesn't matter.
That's great man. He was also amazed at the other unspecified, unquantifiable and ambigious traits in Boom-Boom, The Thing, Thor, Kurse and Spider-Man.
Originally posted by carver9
You ignoring Hulk taking out Captain Marvel, having an advantage over Genis, defeating Captain Marv-ell, Super Skrull, Thor, Sentry, Gladiator, Hyperion, hell, any Herald in Marvel, is you ignoring the character history. This doesn't include his team wrecking showings. You're focused on a snake but ignoring Surfer getting taken out by a hammer shot from some humans, or being worked by Spiderman or Ironman, or Black Panther. Even though these things happened to Surfer, we both agree he is still high Herald but you ignore it and focus on Hulk low fts. Just be quiet and again, your opinion of the character doesn't matter.
How am I ignoring it when I addressed it?
Couple of things tho, and don't worry, I'll deal with every one in turn.
Captain Marvel's not really relevant,
He was not beating Genis, that's a lie.
He beat Super Skrull, good, he should.
He never beat Thor. Only won against him in a flashback Banner had that the writer recanted 😆
He beat the Sentry, great showing.
He only beat Gladiator thanks to a very conveniently placed radioactive powerplant....
Hyperion? Who hasn't beat him.
Any herald in Marvel? No. He hasn't defeated Surfer, Red Shift, Fallen One, Firelord, Stardust, Morg, Nova (maybe he did? who cares), Air Walker, Zemo with stones, Warlock, BRB, Full power Cable and the list goes on. He did not beat any herald in Marvel.
And "team-wrecking", an ambigious joke-term that holds no weight. You and three of Hulk's retarded cousins could make a team. Doesn't say anything.
Surfer got worked over by Iron Man and Spidey? Big whoop, they actually defeated the Hulk, several times over! 😆
And how am I focusing on the snake? I brought it up as an example of extreme low showings. And one that isn't too far-fetched. Hulk needs to breathe and his durability/strength depends on how angry he is. Surfer's durability is normally at a constant level, where it can withstand planets being taken apart, obviously a hammer to the head shouldn't take him out.
It seems to me that you're the one who's struggling with the Hulk's history, cause you're not only completely oblivious to his defeats, but you seem to know nothing about his victories either! If you did, then you would realize the circumstances under which they take place. You said he beat the Sentry, that's wonderful. But is his wife gonna come back to life and die again so that he can reach that peak again? Is the fuging universe going to bend and twist so that unlikely event after unlikely event will keep his fluctuating rage-levels at new unlikely highs?
No.
Originally posted by carver9
After reading "Hulk needs to breathe", I'm done debating with you. Read some Hulk comics.
Almost all versions of the Hulk have to breathe. Savage Hulk, professor Hulk, child-like Hulk, gray Hulk, ... all had to breathe. WWH may have been able to function in vacuum unaided (unless there was some Sakaar tech involved), but that's an exception rather than the rule.
