Hal Jordan and Flash (Wally) vs Thor and Hulk · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

Rage.Of.Olympus Senior Member

Originally posted by abhilegend
Thor would take IMPs in stride? Don't tell me you're serious here? What class 100 attack oneshots a superman class character anyway?

Are you serious? I thought you read comics. Character's being "temporarily" knocked out through a sucker shot happens all the time.

Sometimes a peer sucker shots another peer and all it does is knock him down, sometimes it allows a character to take down a noticeably stronger opponent. Either way, hitting an opponent with an attack they can't see coming is a huge asterisk.

I see no reason why it should be considered to be more significant than a punch from Hulk etc. Just last month, Aquaman one shotted Superman with a sucker shot!

But seriously:
http://img44.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc144&image=852_JLA057_10_11.jpg

Temporarily took down like 5 with a sneak attack.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Are you serious? I thought you read comics. Character's being "temporarily" knocked out through a sucker shot happens all the time.
Sometimes a peer sucker shots another peer and all it does is knock him down, sometimes it allows a character to take down a noticeably stronger opponent. Either way, hitting an opponent with an attack they can't see coming is a huge asterisk.
I see no reason why it should be considered to be more significant than a punch from Hulk etc. Just last month, Aquaman one shotted Superman with a sucker shot!
But seriously:
http://img44.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc144&image=852_JLA057_10_11.jpg
Temporarily took down like 5 with a sneak attack.

What are you talking about? It wasn't a suckershot, Zum saw it coming. He wasn't able to react to it.
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/zumimp4.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/zumimp5.jpg

Flash does have nearly infinite mass when he runs near lightspeed, its not merely a hyperbole.

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee305/Wally_Respect3/evucity2.jpg

J'onn temporarily stunned them, they were up and pursuing them on the next page. Flash KTFO the martian with one punch, its not even comparable. FYI, they were treated as exactly equal to superman under Morrison

Under kelly? Not so much.

Rage.Of.Olympus Senior Member

Originally posted by abhilegend
What are you talking about? It wasn't a suckershot, Zum saw it coming. He wasn't able to react to it.
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/zumimp4.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/zumimp5.jpg

How can Zum see it coming when he couldn't even see Wally? He was nothing but a "continuous beam of light".

Also, if he can't react to a punch, that's still technically a sucker shot.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Flash does have nearly infinite mass when he runs near lightspeed, its not merely a hyperbole.
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee305/Wally_Respect3/evucity2.jpg

It could be true infinite mass but I've seen no evidence as to why I should treat it as some highly regarded move when another high end strongman could replicate the feat.

Originally posted by abhilegend
J'onn temporarily stunned them, they were up and pursuing them on the next page. Flash KTFO the martian with one punch, its not even comparable. FYI, they were treated as exactly equal to superman under Morrison
Under kelly? Not so much.

I confused Zom with the disk guy, thought he was back in seconds. In that case, pick an example of one peer knocking out the other with a sucker shot or whatever. Point still stands.

I wouldn't say that.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
How can Zum see it coming when he couldn't even see Wally? He was nothing but a "continuous beam of light".

Beat me. But he was depicted as seeing flash coming.
Also, if he can't react to a punch, that's still technically a sucker shot.
Not if he's seen it coming.
It could be true infinite mass but I've seen no evidence as to why I should treat it as some highly regarded move when another high end strongman could replicate the feat.
Well, who else oneshot KTFO a martian in NWO? Also it would KTFO Thor as well, unless you think Thor is more durable than superman.
I confused Zom with the disk guy, thought he was back in seconds.
The guy who was going against Kyle already?
In that case, pick an example of one peer knocking out the other with a sucker shot or whatever. Point still stands.
Nope, it wasn't a suckershot.

I wouldn't say that.

Show some proofs then. Even krypto was taking half dozen martians for a few panels.

-Pr- Hey Yo!

Originally posted by 753
as you can see from SM's bulging erection through hsi pants near hulk's groin and his face, he is too.

So you don't believe in male rape, then. Shame on you.

mighty adam Senior Member

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
LOL.
LOL.
Go pick up a comic. An infinite mass punch is the equivalent of getting hit by a real class 100, Thor would take that shit in stride.

a imp is not equal to getting hit by a 100 ton character your slow. And Thor's not taking shit that was making sbprime run plus koed white Martians you go read a comic you stupid fanboy

mighty adam Senior Member

It seems hulk fans love to say dumb shit on these forums I guess liking that retarded character has made them just as stupid as him HULK IS THE STRONGEST THIER IS!!!!!!! lol

mighty adam Senior Member

Hulk smash stupid fast man!!.............hulk sad..hulk ass bleeds from fast man raping hulk......lol

753 Senior Member

Originally posted by -Pr-
So you don't believe in male rape, then. Shame on you.

he was asking for it

Rage.Of.Olympus Senior Member

Originally posted by abhilegend
Beat me. But he was depicted as seeing flash coming.
Not if he's seen it coming.
Well, who else oneshot KTFO a martian in NWO? Also it would KTFO Thor as well, unless you think Thor is more durable than superman.
The guy who was going against Kyle already? Nope, it wasn't a suckershot.
Show some proofs then. Even krypto was taking half dozen martians for a few panels.

But Zum didn't see it coming, he couldn't even see Wally at the speeds he was moving.

The Infinite Mass Punch may very well be above Top Tier in power but that would be pure speculation and not supported by the evidence at hand. Knocking someone out with a cheap shot is a huge asterisk in comics.

I meant not comparable. Also, I remember the White Martians storming the fortress and punking Kyle, Diana, Superman etc. at different points.

Rage.Of.Olympus Senior Member

Originally posted by mighty adam
a imp is not equal to getting hit by a 100 ton character your slow. And Thor's not taking shit that was making sbprime run plus koed white Martians you go read a comic you stupid fanboy

Why not?

Bart didn't even hit Prime with Infinite Mass Punches, just blitzed him. It knocked out Zum with a sucker shot. Great. Class 100's have been taken down far easier with a cheap shot all the time in comics.

Originally posted by mighty adam
Hulk smash stupid fast man!!.............hulk sad..hulk ass bleeds from fast man raping hulk......lol

Originally posted by mighty adam
It seems hulk fans love to say dumb shit on these forums I guess liking that retarded character has made them just as stupid as him HULK IS THE STRONGEST THIER IS!!!!!!! lol

Great points. I'm convinced.

Contrary to what we see, and what comics support being the most likely scenario, Wally is going to own Hulk easily.

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Hal/Wally 6-7/10

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
But Zum didn't see it coming, he couldn't even see Wally at the speeds he was moving.
The Infinite Mass Punch may very well be above Top Tier in power but that would be pure speculation and not supported by the evidence at hand. Knocking someone out with a cheap shot is a huge asterisk in comics.
I meant not comparable. Also, I remember the White Martians storming the fortress and punking Kyle, Diana, Superman etc. at different points.

Then why was he panicking as flash came close to him? Also Thor wouldn't see him coming too if he uses an IMP.

Thor would get KTFO, you may call it a cheapshot in the forum too if you so desire.

In groups.

Rage.Of.Olympus Senior Member

Originally posted by abhilegend
Then why was he panicking as flash came close to him? Also Thor wouldn't see him coming too if he uses an IMP.
Thor would get KTFO, you may call it a cheapshot in the forum too if you so desire.
In groups.

Why do you think? The speedster he was fighting left him in the dust. I thought we already established that Zum couldn't even see Wally, as it was specifically said that to him, Flash was nothing but a continuous beam of light. He couldn't see the punch coming even if Wally hit him square in the nose.

Thor may very well get knocked out by an Infinite Mass Punch, but then again, he might just take that shit in stride.

I don't know what would happen for sure, and that's my point. Flash hit Zum with a cheap shot, and those are hardly definitive or result in the same outcome repeatedly. My problem is someone treating it as an autowin.

IIRC, one Martian knocked out each of them respectively and restrained them. I also remember a single Martian raping Diana underwater and one or two of them beating up Superman and Kyle IIRC.

pym-ftw Mizukage

Team 2 after Thor encloses the battlefield in a wall of wind

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Why do you think? The speedster he was fighting left him in the dust. I thought we already established that Zum couldn't even see Wally, as it was specifically said that to him, Flash was nothing but a continuous beam of light. He couldn't see the punch coming even if Wally hit him square in the nose.

Look again bro
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/zumimp4.jpg
He was shown as directly reacting to the punch. Maybe the art and dialogue were not in sync here. But it was no cheapshot.
Thor may very well get knocked out by an Infinite Mass Punch, but then again, he might just take that shit in stride.
You have any proofs for that shit or you're just talking out of your ass? A superman class being while in super-speed couldn't see it coming and got KTFO. Now if wally uses IMP on thor, he wouldn't see it coming and would get KTFO unless you think Thor is faster and more durable than superman and then I'd have to laugh at you.
I don't know what would happen for sure, and that's my point.
I know what would happen, don't be a shuruku.
Flash hit Zum with a cheap shot, and those are hardly definitive or result in the same outcome repeatedly. My problem is someone treating it as an autowin.
If wally uses an IMP on thor, it would go exactly like it happened to Zum. Thor would be frozen and then he would be KTFO. Its an autowin by its nature.
IIRC, one Martian knocked out each of them respectively and restrained them.
Four martians have to cheapshot superman to knock him out.

I also remember a single Martian raping Diana underwater and one or two of them beating up Superman and Kyle IIRC.

Well , wonder woman don't count as usual. They blitzed them in fortress as a group.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Team 2 after Thor encloses the battlefield in a wall of wind

Before or after he gets oneshotted?

Zack Fair Fanboy

Team 1 has way too many options to lose this fight.

Only way they lose is if they decide to fight on Thor's level. And by that I mean using the face to fist style.

pym-ftw Mizukage

Originally posted by abhilegend
Before or after he one shots the team?

Before, after would be pointless

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Before, after would be pointless

You missed the point, obviously.