Originally posted by Mihsnme
It isn't impossible to beat a morals on Flash. But lets look at what you just posted. You're judging how strong the IMP is based on the distance it knocked Zum.Knocking someone back doesn't equate to doing more damage to them. In one of their earlier fights Lobo was devastating Superman in a fight, he didn't punch him out of orbit, but his hits were doing more damage than Etrigan's moon punch
Darkseid is another example, he's backhanded Superman and drew blood from him, didn't knock him back more than a few feet but still did more visible damage than Etrigan did.
We already know that Wally's standard punches can harm Mongul [who owned Wonder Woman and fought Kal several times] so we already know that the IMP would deliver greater effects. In the scan already posted in this thread Wally one shotted a character with Superman level durability with it. It can one shot Thor and Hulk and even without it, neither of them can withstand getting hit a thousand times in an instant with punches with enough force to hurt Mongul, and they still don't have a defense against speed stealing.
and you're judging how strong the IMP is because it knocked out one white martian. so your initial argument has a flaw--it presupposes that you have full knowledge of zum's durability. can you show me his durability feats? you're assuming via abc logic that his durability was superman-esque. i disagree. completely. i'd say it's less than jonn's. probably considerably below jonn's. and his his durability is far below superman's. thor has feats that would put him kal's class.
if we suddenly think zum's durability is in question, then the overall power of the IMP is in question. even if we say zum=jonn (which again, i'd highly doubt) that doesn't mean a punch that ko'd him would ko thor or hulk.
and knocking someone back doesn't necessarily imply greater damage in comics, i agree, but it doesn't mean the punch was LESS effective or powerful either. different writers show damage differently and it is IMPOSSIBLE to say etrigan's punch<IMP. there are tons of examples to support either notion. just like i've seen flash throw 1000s of punches at FAR less power than those he threw at mongul. using just high feats leads to skewed arguments. thor has withstood celestials' blasts. doesn't mean i think it takes a celestial to harm him.
i also don't agree with your premise that the IMP>1000s of punches from flash. at least, not from the damage that can be accumulated from said punches. and i'm not one who thinks he can throw 1000s of IMPs either.....
so, yeah, i think it is completely reasonable to think thor and hulk could both handle an IMP since we don't really know what level the IMP is in the first place, and i don't think that it can be assumed flash will be using the same type of attacks he used against mongul. he COULD i suppose, but the vast majority of in-character flash battles has him doing much less than that.
now, the one argument i cannot criticize is the speed steal. he SHOULD be able to do that. if he does his team wins every time. but....it is also not a common form of attack. in fact, it's exceedingly rare and so should be consider a possible way for them to win, but not the main reason at all, imo.
