So you have admitted you know how much of a trolling dumbass you are. At least you recognize the problem. Now to fix it, that's the $100 million question there. How do you introduce logic into the mind of a retarded moron with only a 1/4-sized misshapen brain cell? Don't worry Saddie, we have top men working around the clock on this. Top men. We'll fix you soon. Just stay in your corner and jerk off to Die Hard, as you usually do.
Martin pwns 11/10, anyone who says otherwise needs their head checked
My god. I feel like I'm enabling you on your quest of self destructive self-abuse/wasting your life... (as Im clearly the center of yours) ...thats why you cannot end your rage. 🙁
That you cry and rage constantly and obsessively is the thing that shows everyone what a butthurt know-nothing moron you are...
It is easily known that when fighting a dozen or so people you use different tactics then when you fight just one person. Has Martin ever killed a helicopter with a car? Has he ever fallen down an air duct shaft, grabbed the edge of one after falling a few stories and NOT ripping his finger or arm out? Maybe Martin has survived half a dozen Grenades lobbed at him, or managed to outrun a helicopter gunner.
It is not a question of if McClane can meet Martins level of fighting, the question is can Martin knock out a guy who is unable to be knocked out?
Originally posted by Scarlet Fox
It is easily known that when fighting a dozen or so people you use different tactics then when you fight just one person. Has Martin ever killed a helicopter with a car? Has he ever fallen down an air duct shaft, grabbed the edge of one after falling a few stories and NOT ripping his finger or arm out? Maybe Martin has survived half a dozen Grenades lobbed at him, or managed to outrun a helicopter gunner.It is not a question of if McClane can meet Martins level of fighting, the question is can Martin knock out a guy who is unable to be knocked out?
Uhhh, you do know that falling down an air shaft and holding on via one hand is not a show of h2h skill right? Physical fitness maybe, but definitely not combat skill. And killed a helicopter with a car? Martin has flipped a car 360 and managed to unhook a bomb strapped in the bottom of his car. That takes far more skill than launching a car at a helicopter.
As for surviving grenades and shotgun hits, guess what, he doesn't need to survive those simply coz he never gets hit by those things. Missiles and heavy automatic fire riddled his entire house and he didn't get hit even once.
So who'd you rather pick, the guy who can survive whatever hits him? Or the guy who doesn't get hit in the first place? besides, it's not as if McClane can just shrug off those hits. Sure he survives them, but he's also hurt by them. And if this fight is won simply due to knock out, then we've seen McClane get knocked out way more than Martin. From what I recall, I've only ever seen Frank Martin get knocked out once, and that was via cheapshot. This guy was so good that he never took any serious hits or injuries despite ridiculously long odds.
So it's not a question of whether Martin can knock-out a guy who doesn't seem to get knocked out. The better question is, can McClane even hit Martin? Even if Martin can't knock out McClane, so what? He'll end up using McClane as a punching bag and beat him bloody. McClane simply has not proven that he is anywhere near Martin's skill in mortal combat.
After all, this is a fair, straight up fight. Pure h2h, none of those pulling out a zippo crap. Pure melee weapons, zippo loses to fire hydrant. McClane is good when he can fight dirty, so he has a good chance in the gun fight. In a fair, man to man fight, Martin kills him.
Originally posted by Scarlet Fox
McClane cant be knocked out way more than Martin cause he was never knocked out. Thus proves that he cant be. And people can fight dirty without using guns. Martin did it all the time. But thats the 'Unconventional Weapons' round. Not to mention this fight isnt to the death.
Ok fine. Let's say that McClane is like this Wolverine-clone all you guys want to believe that he is. Say it's very hard to knock him out. What then? He still doesn't have what it takes to beat Martin. Martin doesn't even need to knock him out, he can start breaking bones.
Besides, claiming that someone isn't capable of being knocked out simply because it hasn't been done is silly. If we used that premise as fact, then probably about 75% percent of action heroes have a superpower of "impossible to knock out".
gotta love how people put words in others mouth. When did we say he was Wolverine like? No one said he can Regenerate. He can just take massive dmg. The films have proven that.
Now I am not saying McClane wins. Nor am I saying Martin wins. I made this thread because they are CLOSE together with the Feats of each movie given to them. Since this is my thread I am refraining from saying who I think would win. If people started to say McClane wins right off the back I would be asking people about Martins skill set just like I am about McClane. No one has given a reasonable explaination as to why Martin or McClane would win.
Except they aren't. McClane has never shown any proficiency in H2H combat like Martin has. Matter of fact, his incompetence in H2H is the reason he employs so many melee weapons. You state McClane has a chance purely because of his durability, but that means jack if he can't hit Martin, which he can't. McClane will be used as a punching bag until he goes down. Stating that McClane can't go down is crap considering we saw McClane go down to Lihn in DH4, and Martin is far faster and stronger than Lihn. McClane has no chance here in H2H. Gunfights are another story...
Fine. Here is my opinion.
Martin IS superior in H2H combat but McClane is with Unconventional weapons. That has been proven. And McClane wins with the handgun round.
That is my opinion.
Now I am not going to say one is superior than the other because they are both great characters, but that was never the point of the thread. I gave you all three rounds with set paramiters and it seems no one really kept into those three lines.
The McClane fans just kept at it with McClane wins because he is McClane and the McClane bashers just said the opposite.
Now if you want to give your opinion on the 3 rounds go ahead, but there is nothing here that asks you to tell the person before you they are wrong in what they believe.
Originally posted by Scarlet Fox
Fine. Here is my opinion.Martin IS superior in H2H combat but McClane is with Unconventional weapons. That has been proven. And McClane wins with the handgun round.
That is my opinion.
Now I am not going to say one is superior than the other because they are both great characters, but that was never the point of the thread. I gave you all three rounds with set paramiters and it seems no one really kept into those three lines.
The McClane fans just kept at it with McClane wins because he is McClane and the McClane bashers just said the opposite.
Now if you want to give your opinion on the 3 rounds go ahead, but there is nothing here that asks you to tell the person before you they are wrong in what they believe.
But the thing is, we are not McClane bashers, or at least I'm not. I'm also not a Transporter fanboy. I'm just calling this fight as I see it. McClane has no chance against Martin in h2h.
As for unconventional weapons, Martin was able to destroy his opponents using a firehose. Using a necktie. Using his polo shirt. We've seen him use knives, chairs, oxygen tanks, oil, steel pipes, axes, doors, and even bicycle pedals. I really don't think McClane has used "unconventional weapons" quite as skillfully as Martin does.
As for the gun fight, then yeah, there McClane has got a chance. I'd say toss up for the gun fight. Whoever gets the lucky hit wins.
P.S. - yes you never said that he was Wolverine-like, but the fact that you insist that he can NOT be knocked out, no not ever, no matter what Martin did, is almost like giving him superhealing powers. Every person can be knocked out. McClane is just tougher than most but he is still human.
As far as McClane being skilled with unconventional weapons, in DH4, when he tried to attack Lihn with a computer monitor, she instantly and effortlessly disarmed him. I don't see what's going to stop Martin from doing the same.
It may seem I bash McClane, but I don't. Everything I say about him is based directly off his screenfeats in his films. I say he hasn't had a good H2H fight because he hasn't. I say he gets disarmed easily because he does.