Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Yep. DH5. One shot KO. AFTER tanking being hit by the guy's car in his 50s/60s...A thunderous shot that hit with the sound of King Kings nuts hitting pavement after his fall from the empire state building.
(Even more revealing than in Die Hard with guy McClane lays out immediately before confronting Barry the Lobby guy and Hans.)
Enjoy.
McClane isn't able to one-shot every guy he punches. Majority of his fights requires him to land multiple shots and resort to multiple tactics before winning. And the guy he one-shots in this vid looks like a civilian... which is a lot different than fighting an expert fighter like Martin.
Besides, McClane's punching power won't mean much if he can't hit Martin.
2-3 wont be quick enough against McClane, these days.
Presumably, yes. Top level Russian secret service guy (their James Bond, more or less) who has a Machine gun on McClane?
McClane piles into him rapidly and punches him out, taking his machine gun too.
And the street thug looked like he would have been serious too.
Bang! Went down after a Joe Frazier/on-form/in prime Mike-Tyson like Left hook that McClane seems to have developed.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
2-3 wont be quick enough against McClane, these days.Presumably, yes. Top level Russian secret service guy (their James Bond, more or less) who has a Machine gun on McClane?
McClane piles into him rapidly and punches him out, taking his machine gun too.
And the street thug looked like he would have been serious too.
Bang! Went down after a Joe Frazier/on-form/in prime Mike-Tyson like Left hook that McClane seems to have developed.
But did this top level russian secret service guy display any decent h2h feats? If not, then we can only assume his skill level, and in no way can we know if it even measures up to Martin.
Street thug is a street thug. Not equivalent to skilled fighter. An unarmed Martin went up against 15-20 armed thugs and effortlessly mopped the floor with them. I don't recall seeing McClane ever do anything that impressive.
In any case, Martin has never been knocked out either. Other than that one time where he was cheapshotted and completely unaware of his attacker. So unless McClane sneaks up on Martin while he's reading the paper and cheapshots him, then he's not knocking out Martin.
Originally posted by Lestov16
Note how Sadako massively overhypes what is actually seen, as shown with the "instant KO" against a random bystander (Whom Sadako at one point overhyped as a "Russian gangster" 😂 ) which obviously doesn't mean much feat wise.
If we go by the apparent rule of thumb being used in every McClane thread so far, wherein screen feats > common sense; wherein McClane now is impossible to knock out simply because he has never been shown to get knocked out on screen (nevermind that he's just human); then I believe we can safely use the same argument to conclude that this Russian special ops guy has next to zero h2h skills simply because it was never shown on screen (nevermind that special ops usually means proficient h2h training).
1. This is a hard one for mcclane but he fought opponents almost as skilled as frank in the Die Hard movies, so even though frank will get to beat the living sense out of mcclane in the end mcclane can use his rage, and "mcclane factor" to win.
2. Frank definetely he's just a lot got more experience using those weapons than mcclane does.
3. When it comes to guns obviously I'm gonna have to vote for mcclane. Frank rarely uses guns' while on the other hand guns are just toys for mcclane lol.
Ps: I'm a fan of both
Originally posted by whatdoucare
1. This is a hard one for mcclane but he fought opponents almost as skilled as frank in the Die Hard movies, so even though frank will get to beat the living sense out of mcclane in the end mcclane can use his rage, and "mcclane factor" to win.2. Frank definetely he's just a lot got more experience using those weapons than mcclane does.
3. When it comes to guns obviously I'm gonna have to vote for mcclane. Frank rarely uses guns' while on the other hand guns are just toys for mcclane lol.
Ps: I'm a fan of both
Were there any McClane opponents who could beat the crap out of 15-20 armed guys at the same time? Because that's how skilled Martin is. I don't have a copy of the Die Hard movies, so maybe there are really skilled opponents there (which I can't check right now) but I seriously can't remember anyone as skilled as Martin.