Well when you think about it not using QS to stop Raven was dumb. They really didn't need Magneto since they knew where and when she was going to kill Trask. Just go there with QS and have him snatch her up and explain later.
The claws thing is meh since as i said Magneto is a simple solution. The Xavier bit was covered, tho flimsily, in the end of Last Stand. He had a comatose, paralized twin.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Nah. He's really nitpicking. If you just think carefully all of his plot holes can be logically addressed.The only thing to really complain about (IMO) is the Xavier being alive in his own crippled body and Wolverine having regained his adamantium claws, both at the beginning of the movie but neither being explained. Like at all. It only would have taken a few lines to explain those things so that was lazy writing.
Wait how am I nitpicking? All of these complaints are logic based, and the explanations I was offered were because of PIS.
So yes, LOGICALLY this film is bonkers. It makes leaps and doesn't explain things. It's not a bad x-men movie per se' but it's still just pulling shit out of it's ass.
And Juggs, some of your reponses I mean, they make sense in like a "leap" sort of way. None of this stuff is explained.
Again, where did Kitty get this power? It doesn't even have anything to do with her original mutation.
Like, that's a big strange change for a character.
Originally posted by juggerman
Not all of them. And there were answers besides PIS
Well, generally, if you have to explain some of the plot that was not in the film, that is a plothole. It is the job of the writer and director to explain those important details to the viewer. If they don't, the narrative suffers.
In some instances, it is intentional such as Prometheus. In other instances, such as this movie, it was poor form and detracted from the plot progression and resolution.
Originally posted by Quincy
And Juggs, some of your reponses I mean, they make sense in like a "leap" sort of way. None of this stuff is explained.Again, where did Kitty get this power? It doesn't even have anything to do with her original mutation.
Like, that's a big strange change for a character.
Yeah I get what you're saying. I'm not saying that these are the answers either but none of these leaps cause you to think too deeply tho. I mean the Kitty's power was explained I think as just an anvance form of phasing, not thru objects but thru time. That is an explanation.
Metal claws weren't explained but Charles being explained was. Now why did he look the same and why was he still crippled weren't.
They did explain why they didn't bring QS tho. He was too young or some crap. It was dumb of them but it was explained.
The Beast thing wasn't explained.
Magneto controlling the Sentinels was explained
Wolverine having the old memories was explained
Originally posted by dadudemon
Well, generally, if you have to explain some of the plot that was not in the film, that is a plothole. It is the job of the writer and director to explain those important details to the viewer. If they don't, the narrative suffers.In some instances, it is intentional such as Prometheus. In other instances, such as this movie, it was poor form and detracted from the plot progression and resolution.
Most were explained tho. The explanations were stupid but they existed
Originally posted by juggerman
Most were explained tho. The explanations were stupid but they existed
I'd have to see the whole list.
But the stuff about Wolverine's claws n'shit? Stupid as f*ck that they didn't explain that.
Everyone who left the Wolverine concerned about the loss of his adamantium claws needed that resolution/explanation. We didn't get it.
Let me put it into perspective: my 9-year-old son pointed it out after the film. He wanted to know if Wolverine got his metal claws back and how. I had no idea! I still have no idea! Massive plothole because he uses his claws to progress plot in the next film, many times.
There are other examples just like that that are not adequately explained.
I still enjoyed the film, though. I don't need my bottom powdered and patted when watching a film. I can accept that writers and directors are dumber than I am (or my 9-year-old son). That's Hollywood. This type of plothole shit has been going on for decades. 😄
By the way, this is how I explained Wolverine's claws: Wolverine's adamantium skeleton is "alive" and can heal. This is what happened to Wolverine's skull, too, in Wolverine Origin. Remember he was shot in the head in the 60s? He was healed...metal bone and everything. His skeleton can repair itself, it would seem. But that violates the conservation of mass ad energy: where does his body get the extra adamantium to replace his claws? Unlike his skull where the adamantium can be completely accounted for, his claws were cut off. But, see...we are having to explain away something that should have been explained on screen. This is a classic plothole. A major blunder.
Beta-Admantium is in the comics, it's true Adamantium that was molecularly changed by Wolverine's healing-factor so it doesn't interfere with biological processes.
We're probably supposed to assume that his body can grow more Adamantium by having the Adamantium replicate itself, just like he can regrow skin, muscle, tissue and bone. Lame, I know, but it does explain away the pothole.
Another option would be future friendly Magneto using his powers to bond Admantium to his regrown bone claws. Edit, jaden101 covered it.
Originally posted by jaden101
I've not see the wolverine yet but I saw the post credits scene at the airport. I would imagine that Magneto would somehow have been involved in restoring his Adamantium claws in return for him agreeing to help him and the prof
Originally posted by Robtard
Beta-Admantium is in the comics, it's true Adamantium that was molecularly changed by Wolverine's healing-factor so it doesn't interfere with biological processes.We're probably supposed to assume that his body can grow more Adamantium by having the Adamantium replicate itself, just like he can regrow skin, muscle, tissue and bone. Lame, I know, but it does explain away the pothole.
Another option would be future friendly Magneto using his powers to bond Admantium to his regrown bone claws. Edit, jaden101 covered it.
Those are both explanations that should have been in the film. They could have been handled in 1 or 2 lines of dialogue...but they weren't. This is a major plothole.
And, yes, I was referring to a "beta-adamantium" explanation. But that explanation violates physics n'shit.
Originally posted by dadudemon
I'd have to see the whole list.But the stuff about Wolverine's claws n'shit? Stupid as f*ck that they didn't explain that.
Everyone who left the Wolverine concerned about the loss of his adamantium claws needed that resolution/explanation. We didn't get it.
Let me put it into perspective: my 9-year-old son pointed it out after the film. He wanted to know if Wolverine got his metal claws back and how. I had no idea! I still have no idea! Massive plothole because he uses his claws to progress plot in the next film, many times.
There are other examples just like that that are not adequately explained.
I still enjoyed the film, though. I don't need my bottom powdered and patted when watching a film. I can accept that writers and directors are dumber than I am (or my 9-year-old son). That's Hollywood. This type of plothole shit has been going on for decades. 😄
By the way, this is how I explained Wolverine's claws: Wolverine's adamantium skeleton is "alive" and can heal. This is what happened to Wolverine's skull, too, in Wolverine Origin. Remember he was shot in the head in the 60s? He was healed...metal bone and everything. His skeleton can repair itself, it would seem. But that violates the conservation of mass ad energy: where does his body get the extra adamantium to replace his claws? Unlike his skull where the adamantium can be completely accounted for, his claws were cut off. But, see...we are having to explain away something that should have been explained on screen. This is a classic plothole. A major blunder.
Yeah that's why I said "most". The claws one was a major UGH moment for me too. Tho I dislike Wolverine I felt i needed an explaination. Magneto is the best one imo since they are working together at this point and he said in X-2 that only him and Stryker could manipulate the metal.
The bullet wounds in his head pissed me off too since they weren't there in X-1. I like your explanition tho.
Alright like, the flick was fun and was way better than X3 and the Origins movie, but let's admit the logic was nonsense.
Just because we on this website can imagine scenario's and explanations because we are nerdy comic book fans doesn't mean that the Flick shouldn't be held accountable for it's own inconsistencies.
And I get the explanation that "If Quicksilver helped then the movie would be over immediately."
That's true. That's why this movie makes no sense logically.
Originally posted by Quincy
Alright like, the flick was fun and was way better than X3 and the Origins movie, but let's admit the logic was nonsense.Just because we on this website can imagine scenario's and explanations because we are nerdy comic book fans doesn't mean that the Flick shouldn't be held accountable for it's own inconsistencies.
And I get the explanation that "If Quicksilver helped then the movie would be over immediately."
That's true. That's why this movie makes no sense logically.
But again there were explanations for most of it, they were just bad explanations iyo. It's not like QS was in one scene and then not in the next one with no mention of him ever again. They said why they weren't taking him. Just because you didn't like the reasons doesn't mean there weren't reasons in the first place
Originally posted by juggerman
But again there were explanations for most of it, they were just bad explanations iyo. It's not like QS was in one scene and then not in the next one with no mention of him ever again. They said why they weren't taking him. Just because you didn't like the reasons doesn't mean there weren't reasons in the first place
Because the movie gave me their explanation as to why Quicksilver wasn't in the rest of the movie does not mean it makes logical sense. And the LOGIC is my only real issue with the flick. It was fun and badass and stuff, but like, it just kinda treated us like we were dumb.
And my grievances weren't explained by the movie. They were explained by what you assume happened. Like, that's the movies job to tell me and show me what the deal is. Not to be like "Oh I dont know, Magneto put metal on him, probably."
Originally posted by Quincy
[B]And my grievances weren't explained by the movie. /B]
Actually the movie told you quite a bit of them. It told you why they didn't bring QS, it told you why Kitty had this new power, it told you how Magneto controlled the Sentinels, and it told you why Wolverine didn't remember the past. That's most of your grievances right there
Seems like you just want to complain now. 😕
It might have been an editing oversight. But yeah the addition of a 'thanks for giving me these back' or wolverine using his claws to save magneto and him saying 'its times like this I'm glad we fixed your claws' line wouldn't have gone amiss. Still, it's a minor gripe. I'm far more interested to see how he gets them in the new timeline. I hope it's not just mystique as stryker.
Originally posted by Quincy
Alright like, the flick was fun and was way better than X3 and the Origins movie, but let's admit the logic was nonsense.Just because we on this website can imagine scenario's and explanations because we are nerdy comic book fans doesn't mean that the Flick shouldn't be held accountable for it's own inconsistencies.
And I get the explanation that "If Quicksilver helped then the movie would be over immediately."
That's true. That's why this movie makes no sense logically.
I feel dumb. Someone explain to me how if Quicksilver helped, how this would have made the movie over, quickly.
Originally posted by dadudemon
I feel dumb. Someone explain to me how if Quicksilver helped, how this would have made the movie over, quickly.
I guess he could have whisked Raven away before she killed Trask effectly ending the Sentinel program since it only goes online due to his murder. Also it would have prevented them from aquiring her DNA and making Super Sentinels in the off chance the humans decided to make Sentinels anyway
Originally posted by dadudemon
I feel dumb. Someone explain to me how if Quicksilver helped, how this would have made the movie over, quickly.
Well, Quicksilver's powers are effectively stopping time.
The plot of this movie was to like, prevent someone from getting killed. Stopping time sounds like...super effective in that endeavor.
Originally posted by juggerman
Actually the movie told you quite a bit of them. It told you why they didn't bring QS, it told you why Kitty had this new power, it told you how Magneto controlled the Sentinels, and it told you why Wolverine didn't remember the past. That's most of your grievances right thereSeems like you just want to complain now. 😕
Man I'm not sure you're picking up on the issue of logical problems.
That's basically like if someone said "I ate a banana because my favorite color isn't blue."
I'd say "Oh, well that's your reason but that doesn't make any sense."
So when Wolverine tosses Quicksilver the keys and is like
"Go home kid, we've got it. We don't need the assist."
Logically someone would say "What? Really? Homeboy stops time. We don't need YOU man. Take the weird silver haired kid with GOD powers."
What was the explanation for Kitty's power that was provided in the movie?
Magneto put his own Metal inside the sentinels. Got it. But wouldn't they still try to shoot him?
And what was the actual explanation for Wolverine suddenly jumping 40 years into the future again?
These effectively ARE complaints. That's like, how I began this conversation. My complaint is that logically this stuff didn't make sense.
edit:
Again, I'm stressing that I didn't think this movie was bad, It just clearly wasn't perfect. And it seems like by pointing out this fact It's irking you guys. At least that seems to be the case.