^^ Oh .. you came back ... I was about to let this go with your last post,
but since you decided to do that, let's play.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift Why is that more doubtful than Beyonder letting Doom steal his power?
At the end of the day, Beyonder never stated he let Doom take his power in those panels.
Like I said, either way.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift Yes, and I'm saying it isn't a retelling with some sort of retcon in
mind. It's a retelling of a classic story not a retelling with "now we
know" angles in it. Not much changes admittedly, but I wasn't
highlighting "post retcon" Beyonder. I was highlighting Beyonder.
That's an assumption. But, like you said, it was never talked about,
so the last thing we have on him is that he was an Inhuman Mutant.
That's a year later. Didn't know handbooks retconned comic books.
Yea, he's definitely Not an Inhuman Mutant, according to 2006-07 and 08 Handbooks,
and I'm sure if I check my Updated 2011 versions,
he's there too as a Cube being.
That aside, Handbooks may not alter on panel facts,
but Hickman presented Four different Alternate Beyonders,
and they All followed the Secret Wars scenario, and they were always from Beyond!
(except for one idiot who got killed with a pistol by Sue, don't know what his story was)
Oh, and Doom/Infinity Gauntlet What If where he took Beyonder's too,
it was a What IF Alternate diverged Reality, but Beyonder was from Beyond there likewise.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
It didn't happen like that in the new retelling is what I was saying.
Doom overpowered Beyonder instead with mercy skills,
as opposed to having his limbs ripped off.
I see.
It wasn't an actual "battle of power vs power" though.
It was a battle of "Wills."
Also Bran, let's not forget,
in the original showcase with Doom and Beyonder After he used his breast plate,
we don't see what happens. Doom just comes to the planet as victorious.
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Important to understand is that the Spiderman Mini is showing things we didn't get to see on panel originally.
This battle of "Wills" as Doom puts it:
Is what must've taken place After he pressed the breast plate.
It's how the absorption process took place which we never saw originally.
It was a battle of "Wills' over the power.
Doom clearly states that the "Power" (which is Beyonder's essence) went to who wanted it more,
and Doom wanted it more than Beyonder.
That's dumb I know, but how else could they make sense of that cosmic PIS!
An entity Millions of times more powerful than the Multiverse combined
being somehow affected in anyway shape or form by tech? 😐 (don't care who's it is)
Come on B. You know the reels on that one. PIS!
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We can try and make sense of it by realizing it's what Beyonder wanted all along.
I mean, Beyonder knew the Past, Present and Future, like Doom when he had the power:
So ... is it not safe to say,
that just like Doom saw/knew exactly how he would be defeated Before it happened,
that Beyonder already knew everything before hand as well?
Is it possible, Beyonder coerced the entire thing?
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Beyonder was incredibly savvy in getting his power back, so much so that Klaw said:
"Beyonder took over my body. He used my guile, my wits, my cunning to engineer This."
"I set you up for This"
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If we move along we further comprehend that another stipulation fits in well
with what I said earlier about Beyonder wanting all this to happen.
After the Beyonder leaves back to the Beyond Realm,
the residual energy of his Power left over as an after-effect from his scuffle with Doom,
was still giving everyone there their wishes.
One example of many, Captain America controls atomic structures by force of "Will" alone:
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There goes that term "Will" again.
It seems that Beyonder gave everyone in his newb state the power to make their desires come true.
Even Doom taking his power as idiotic as that is:
"Thus, by sheer force of his own Will, was Doom able to triumph"
And the the Spiderman mini depicts that battle of "Will."
The retcon explanation now fits in well with what we discussed earlier B.
"subconsciously wanting to give others their desires" (Owen said)
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