Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Lol at using real world applications in the discussion of fictional lore.
Lol at you not knowing that a real-world swordsman designed the Lightsaber Forms, with real-world considerations in mind. 😆
Nice job, Dumbass. 😆
Oh and by the way, your Mom told me tell you that when you're done with D&D, your microwavable Pizza Rolls are done.
Don't keep her waiting, Son. Go up and get them. 😎
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
She doesn't know the difference in what's real and what isn't. She has imaginary body parts that she argues is real.
And the irony is, you say this while nestled under my desk, sucking my dick.
You seem to have a very genuine love for my manhood, which you would claim (with a full mouth of cum) isn't real.
Try not to have bits of my fluid dribbling down the sides of your mouth, when you make such pronouncements. It shows a lack of conviction. 😆
Now when your done sucking it, go shower up, because I'm going to cook some ribs in the backyard later.
😉 😎
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Saying that Jar'Kai is ineffective because it doesn't work in real life is bull. While inspired by traditional swordsmanship, lightsaber duels are completely different because:
1. They are weightless
2. Physical power can be amplified by the force.
3. Force powers.
It has nothing to do with that.
Jar'Kai is an ineffective construct made for children, because when using two long blades of the same length, a spacial-gap is created over the central line, where the length of the two blades interfere with one another; and an experienced and oppurtunistic swordsman can take advantage of this.
This is why conventionally, a long sword will be paired up with a short sword; for the opposite effect.
And if you were trained in martial arts, as opposed to playing too much D&D, you would know this. 😮💨
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Jar'Kai has been proven multiple times to be effective. So yes real life applications in a world where the combatants can move mountains with their minds is a ridiculous notion.
In a fantasy show for children, Sure. 😛
But hilariously, when Jar'Kai was used in the movies, curiously, only one strike/slash could be delivered at a time; it was readily apparent that both long blades would get in the way of each other. 😆
So it's just a silly construct to wow and amaze the kids; and it does it's job. 😎
It has nothing to do with how many blows/strikes/cuts that using the two blades can give you, etc.
The advantage of using two blades (not long blades of equal length) but one long blade and a short blade, is the advantage of added defense.
It's useful against multiple opponents, because the shorter blade can easily intercept attacks and allow for easy counter-strikes to your opponent.
If someone used two swords (we'll say the length of a lightsaber) at the same time, their central line would be exposed, and their opponent, with one blade could easily move a cut or thrust into that zone and kill the double-wielder; that's why it's not done that way.
In fantasy, especially when some of the storyboard people aren't martial artists, they ignore/don't know this. So it slides, and many movies have done it this way for the sake of looking flashy.
Also, regardless, using two lightsabers here or not, is not a factor at all.
Yoda didn't use two sabers against Sidious; Sidious didn't use two against Yoda. The Jedi who went to stop Palpatine didn't take another saber for extra benefit (which there really wouldn't be).
The Double-saber wielding you see in TCW is for the Kids whether you want to admit it or not.
There is no actual practical application in any of the fights, because of it being technically flawed. It's just for the kiddies.
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Originally posted by Visage
It has nothing to do with how many blows/strikes/cuts that using the two blades can give you, etc.The advantage of using two blades (not long blades of equal length) but one long blade and a short blade, is the advantage of added defense.
It's useful against multiple opponents, because the shorter blade can easily intercept attacks and allow for easy counter-strikes to your opponent.
If someone used two swords (we'll say the length of a lightsaber) at the same time, their central line would be exposed, and their opponent, with one blade could easily move a cut or thrust into that zone and kill the double-wielder; that's why it's not done that way.
In fantasy, especially when some of the storyboard people aren't martial artists, they ignore/don't know this. So it slides, and many movies have done it this way for the sake of looking flashy.
Also, regardless, using two lightsabers here or not, is not a factor at all.
Yoda didn't use two sabers against Sidious; Sidious didn't use two against Yoda. The Jedi who went to stop Palpatine didn't take another saber for extra benefit (which there really wouldn't be).
The Double-saber wielding you see in TCW is for the Kids whether you want to admit it or not.
There is no actual practical application in any of the fights, because of it being technically flawed. It's just for the kiddies.
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So are you saying one saber is just as effective as two sabers, if not more so? This would be consistent with Dooku's view on dual sabers since he found them inferior to single sabers.
Originally posted by Vensai
So are you saying one saber is just as effective as two sabers, if not more so? This would be consistent with Dooku's view on dual sabers since he found them inferior to single sabers.
In the hands of a highly skilled practioner, one sword can be as good as, or easily better, than two.
Two lightsabers of equal length, because of their actual technical flaw, is a death sentence and a stupid option for a someone to adopt.
A lightsaber and a Shoto, however could offer very good defensive edges in a duel.
Unfortunately, we're not discussing that; and discussing the death sentence of stupidity that is the flawed act of attempting to use two regular-length lightsabers.
Those would be highly ineffective and even moronic to use, compared to a single lightsaber, which is ten times more effective and practical to wield.
Originally posted by Vensai
So are you saying one saber is just as effective as two sabers, if not more so? This would be consistent with Dooku's view on dual sabers since he found them inferior to single sabers.
It's against Dooku's personal preference. (Although the original intent for AOTC was that Dooku was going to use Dual Sabers against Yoda when he couldn't defeat him with 1).
But Dooku is a one handed fencer. He likes to keep his other hand free for force attacks.
But his preference is just that. End of the day the ROTS novel states how he thinks Skywalker is disgusting for having a Cyborg arm and that "A gentleman would have learned to fight one handed."
Does that mean having 1 arm is better than having 1 biological and 1 cyborg arm just because that's what Dooku would prefer?
Of course not.
Fact is this season Kenobi, Sidious, Maul and Skywalker have all resorted to using a 2nd Saber when up against multiple Sabers.
As did Fisto in the first season when he was up against Grievous's multiple Sabers. (In fact the only person in the series to defeat Grievous in a strict Saber duel was Ventress, a Jar Kai wielder).
So either we believe that in all these examples there was no reason for them doing that except "Hey there is another Saber available, so why don't I just use the opportunity to look cool."
Or we can believe the obvious assumption from all these examples, which is that 2 Sabers can be better for dealing with multiple Sabers/Opponents.
Originally posted by Visage
Lol at you not knowing that a real-world swordsman designed the Lightsaber Forms, with real-world considerations in mind. 😆
I am well aware that a real world swordsman Nick Gillard was the primary choreographer with sword fights.
Nice job, Dumbass. 😆
Oh and by the way, your Mom told me tell you that when you're done with D&D, your microwavable Pizza Rolls are done.Don't keep her waiting, Son. Go up and get them. 😎
Star Wars space battles are based on real life battleship encounters. However Star Wars space battles have hundreds of thousands of kilometers with range, and pin point hyperspace jumps, and main weapons with gigatons of power.
Similarly lightsaber battles are more often than not empowered by the force. The weaknesses presented in Jar'Kai in the real world will be way less relevant/ not relevant at all, when you have an entity that grants the user precog, superspeed, and supernatual strength. Oh...and did I forget TK, and lightning.
Originally posted by Visage
[B]In the hands of a highly skilled practioner, one sword can be as good as, or easily better, than two.Two lightsabers of equal length, because of their actual technical flaw, is a death sentence and a stupid option for a someone to adopt.
A lightsaber and a Shoto, however could offer very good defensive edges in a duel.
Unfortunately, we're not discussing that; and discussing the death sentence of stupidity that is the flawed act of attempting to use two regular-length lightsabers.
Those would be highly ineffective and even moronic to use, compared to a single lightsaber, which is ten times more effective and practical to wield.
Ahh, I see. So Darth Sidious, Darth Plaeguis, and Obi-Wan. All skilled blademasters, are morons because your sensei told you that in your Saturday morning Kendo class? Give me a break.
Originally posted by Mizukage YodaAhh, I see. So Darth Sidious, Darth Plaeguis, and Obi-Wan. All skilled blademasters, are morons because your sensei told you that in your Saturday morning Kendo class? Give me a break.
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I'll add a few more names: General Grievous, Kit Fisto, Asajj Ventress, Darth Maul, Anakin Skywalker, Starkiller..
Clearly all Morons. Especially GG, Ventress and Starkiller (TFUII) who use that style as their norm.
Originally posted by Col. Valerian
Rookwood's right in the sense that you lose strength when utilizing two blades. You also lose balance.But, using two swords or a double-bladed one does give you a lot more blows per swing; hence, more damage and destruction per strike. And if used correctly you can overwhelm your opponent much more easily.
Although, I believe that this logic cannot be applied to SW. Maybe when analysing an object's weight or its mass, etc. it is correct to use real life physics as a viable comparrison, but not when it comes to lightsaber duels. There are many more fictional factors to be considered which cannot be compared to real life in any way.
You said that two sabers give more blows per swing. Equally it gives more blocks. But in real life it is ineffective because human can't concentrate on both sabers well. It still works against single opponent as you can use one to block and another to attack. However, it is still useless, when you need to split concentration on both opponents. However, in SW guided by the Force they can concentrate much better on multiple opponent. So the advantage of blocking more is well applicable in SW against multiple opponents.
All Sidious has to do is change his approach and it's just as an easy win as before. I honestly think he brought two light sabers as overkill to make sure he did what he had to do in a timely fashion. Just exercising caution, not something odd for a man who is manipulating a galactic war and has alot to lose if things go wrong or drag ass.
Originally posted by Arhael
However, in SW guided by the Force they can concentrate much better on multiple opponent. So the advantage of blocking more is well applicable in SW against multiple opponents.
My thoughts exactly. That's why I said it cannot be compared to real life.
But it doesn't mean that by wielding two sabers you will automatically be a better swordsman. Sidious wielding one saber or two sabers against the brothers; it doesn't make much difference.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Fact is this season Kenobi, Sidious, Maul and Skywalker have all resorted to using a 2nd Saber when up against multiple Sabers.
Yeah, all in that infantile TCW show. 😛
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
So either we believe that in all these examples there was no reason for them doing that except "Hey there is another Saber available, so why don't I just use the opportunity to look cool."Or we can believe the obvious assumption from all these examples, which is that 2 Sabers can be better for dealing with multiple Sabers/Opponents.
Assumption? 😆
Yeah. we can believe that TV show mechanics intended to delight and amaze 5-year olds is true and correct.
Or we can believe the technical roots that the very Lightsaber Forms are built upon and understand that it is an obvious flaw that would never actually be practical against an experienced swordsman, and that it's just for kids.
Never "assume" anything. The dual lightsabers of equal length are a death sentence for idiots, and they're only used in that show so little kids can squeal with delight at how cool it looks.
I understand that your infantile "mind" is too overwhelmed by that visual spectacle to even guess at how impractical and useless it really is, but there you are. 😆
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
I am well aware that a real world swordsman Nick Gillard was the primary choreographer with sword fights.
Then you understand the real-world application that was molded into the technical aspects of the Forms, the second he started working on them. 😮💨
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Attempting to bate me into a flame war I see. Quality posting here.
I'm pulling your head out of your ass, Sonny. 😮💨
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
This vain attempt to save face won't save you. Yes, lightsaber battles are based on real life sword fights.
No, not "based on sword fights" - The lightsaber Forms are based on techniques and strategy found in real-world swordsmanship.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Star Wars space battles are based on real life battleship encounters. However Star Wars space battles have hundreds of thousands of kilometers with range, and pin point hyperspace jumps, and main weapons with gigatons of power.
Similarly lightsaber battles are more often than not empowered by the force. The weaknesses presented in Jar'Kai in the real world will be way less relevant/ not relevant at all, when you have an entity that grants the user precog, superspeed, and supernatual strength. Oh...and did I forget TK, and lightning.
Which does absolutely nothing for the fact that both long blades of equal length which still interfere with each other and create a gap over the central line, that can easily be struck by an experienced and opportunistic swordsman.
TK does nothing for this, nor speed, nor lightning, nor strength, nor even precog.
The only answer to this lethal technical flaw, is if the practioner could use the amplifying switch on their lightsaber to drop the intensity of the blade quickly, to allow one long blade to pass through another, but then that still wouldn't do the job of actually guarding the central line, defeating the purpose still, of another long blade altogether.
The answer for this, would obviously be a Lightsaber and Shoto.
Face it, Son. Your kiddie TV show is flawed. 😮💨
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Ahh, I see. So Darth Sidious, Darth Plaeguis, and Obi-Wan. All skilled blademasters, are morons because your sensei told you that in your Saturday morning Kendo class? Give me a break.
My instructor passed away two decades ago and I'm an old fart, now. 😛
Even first-year students know, from the spacial relationship of objects to the blade of their bokken, that two long swords of equal length expose the central line and equate to a potentially quick and very gruesome death.
If you didn't spend those Saturday mornings in your bunny pajamas, playing D&D religiously and instead had put it towards actual martial arts training, you would know all these things by now. 😮💨
It's time to let go of the fantasy and pull your head out of your ass, Son.
I'm talking about Swordsmanship here, not D&D.
And in real Swordsmanship, what I said, stands.