Sith Atrocities in the EU

In TOR you get a quest as the Empire to gas some revolting slaves. They Sith giving you the quest wants you to try out his special gas that cripples the slaves with unbearable pain. He says its to encourage them to surrender quicker but you learn that all previous experiments point to there being no actual increased surrender time. So basically he's just torturing them for no reason. In fact, its actually extremely ineffective to the Empire and a waste of time and resources.

Another Sith Lord plans to bomb the Empires own citizens from orbit to create an Empire of fear and pain. Why? Because he's ****ing nuts.

The Sith are almost by default insane murderous fascists. The darkside has been described by Lucas as being like a cancer in the Force. It amplifies the most destructive emotions in its users and basically drives them mad. The Jedi don't just hate them for being a different religious organization, they hate them for being an organisation of genocidal lunatics whose stated goal is to wipe out the Jedi Order and enslave the galaxy.

Originally posted by Nephthys
The darkside has been described by Lucas as being like a cancer in the Force. It amplifies the most destructive emotions in its users and basically drives them mad.

yup

Though the extremes to which the common dark sider is shown to go is more than outlandish.

Also in Kotor the first thing you see on Korriban is a newly recruited Sith Acolyte murdering a random person just to try out his new Force powers.

My issue is with the almost schizophrenic interpretation of the dark side. Vader, Maul, and Dooku have all been shown to have sympathetic attachments and/or motivations. There's only one Sith in the films shown to be the exception to that and why he's being held as the moral standard for the common dark sider eludes me.

Sidious should have been modeled as the epitome of the Dark Side, not just another in a long line extremists.

When you say extremist, I think he should be wearing a turban.

Dooku did, at one point. He sacrificed Jedi in the name of Allahpatine.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
My issue is with the almost schizophrenic interpretation of the dark side. Vader, Maul, and Dooku have all been shown to have sympathetic attachments and/or motivations. There's only one Sith in the films shown to be the exception to that and why he's being held as the moral standard for the common dark sider eludes me.

Eh? Theres only one Sith in the films shown to be sympathetic at all and that's Vader. And Vader is still pretty damn evil.

The EU on the other hand makes it clear that Sith aren't 100% evil all the time and actually are, you know, real people, albeit crazy, murderous people.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Ah, that's probably why I know the name.

Yeah, I really like the in-universe stuff. Jedi Path is also on my list.

I picked it up, and find the handling of the characters in the written notes generally clunky. A lot of them are just advertising the character's most obvious aspects, or mentioning something that the character later does.

I mean, the none-note parts can be ok, but some of the notes are a bit much! So it's a mixed bag.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Eh? Theres only one Sith in the films shown to be sympathetic at all and that's Vader. And Vader is still pretty damn evil.

Dooku was an ex-Jedi of great repute who sought to end corruption and attempted to negotiate with his enemies constantly (with Obi-Wan, with Mace, with Obi-Wan again in the hangar, etc.). TCW makes it clear Maul, for all his arrangement and sadism, cared deeply for Savage.

And I never said that Vader wasn't still really evil.

Originally posted by Nephthys
The EU on the other hand makes it clear that Sith aren't 100% evil all the time and actually are, you know, real people, albeit crazy, murderous people.

lol

I was talking just in the movies. And in the movies everything Dooku says about fighting corruption can be waved off as bullshit since he's working with Sidious, the source of all the corruption and the freaking Trade Federation.

I think you run the risk of Thrawning Sidious if you assume he is the source of all corruption in the Republic.

Fine, but Sidious still causes a crisis to get himself elected and tries to assassinate Senator Amidala when she got inconvenient/started opposing his policies.

Well thanks for spoiling AOTC for me.

Anyway, there's no doubt that Sidious is essentially the embodiment of triumph, power, intellect, and manliness in this franchise, but he's not omnipotent.

Originally posted by Q99
I picked it up, and find the handling of the characters in the written notes generally clunky. A lot of them are just advertising the character's most obvious aspects, or mentioning something that the character later does.

I mean, the none-note parts can be ok, but some of the notes are a bit much! So it's a mixed bag.

Sucks. Maybe I can flick through it in chapters and see if it's what i hope it is.

Originally posted by -Pr-
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Sucks. Maybe I can flick through it in chapters and see if it's what i hope it is.

Some notes-

"Intriguing!" - student Dooku on the idea of curved-hilted sabers.

"Another Jedi weakness, the Sith need no word for surrender!" -Sidious, on the use of a word for signaling defeat in training exercises (and, I'm pretty sure they do have a word for that...)

"I can't ever see using this move!" -Kenobi on the 'slice off both legs' move he later using on Anakin.

I mean, there were some better ones, the Ashoka notes were pretty fun since she does a lot of commentary on other notes, and there was a fun one on how four of the Jedi dealt with some particular animals in a lightsaber crystal cave (Qui-gon: "Be careful!" Kenobi- "Is the council trying to kill us??" Anakin "Pssht, they were weak, I killed three." Ashoka- "I just gave them some rations!"😉, but some of them are really 😛

😂 i see.

As much as I hated Caedus as a character, he was a good example of the conflict that some feel in turning to the Darkside. he literally began to believe that he had to do it, though he was also clearly nuts by the end.

I know some hate Karp's books, but we do at least see Bane moving from average miner, to soldier who believes he's fighting for a cause, to Darkside acolyte, to full Sith practitioner who would do whatever necessary to achieve his goals. That said, aside from what he did to the family on the crawler and Caleb, his attacks were generally limited to other Sith and those of "questionable" connection. He clearly was willing to do whatever necessary for the long-term goals of his new order though.

Maul may have cared for his brother, but Shadow Hunter makes it clear how much he delights in causing others suffering and taking the lives of those his master designates as targets. I don't think any Sith will be winning neighbor of the year awards

There are some nice Sith in TOR. Somewhere.

You know, if you really look hard enough.

Both Darth Thanaton and Darth Malgus had people they truly cared about and trusted.

In both cases, said people were slaves, but still, both cases the relationships went far beyond that.

And in both cases, they were killed to remove a weakness...