Comics: For the most part this just comes down to which characters and titles you are reading.
Games: The Batman games will probably put DC in front of this but Marvel has had some great games in their time. I still say the free roaming Spider-man games are still some of my favorite games to play ever in terms of just enjoying it.
Animation: For animated movies DC stomps with quantity and quality. Although I fell animated Planet Hulk is pretty underrated, Thor blood brothers is pretty good. As well as the Ultimate Movies and Avengers next gen or whatever it was called were all pretty good as well.
For TV shows I thought EMH was better than JLU. JL I loved but mostly I re-watch for the animated fights they had which were superb. For Batman TAS there was X-men TAS. There was also Spider-man TAS and Ironman TAS both of which I thought were better or more enjoyable than Superman TAS. Batman Beyond I thought was completely underrated as a show.
Movies. I don't think there is a question here who reigns supreme. Marvel is so far ahead in this category it isn't even funny. Nolan's Batman Trilogy was great but Marvel tore it to pieces with the Avengers. I also think people tend to forget the older Blade movies with Wesley Snipes which were great fun films.
Originally posted by currymanTo be honest I think people tend to lump all the good parts of Nolan's movies together while over-looking the bad stuff from of each movie.
Damn dude, really?I feel like Avengers was the safest movie I've ever seen.
As for the Avengers being safe I tend to disagree. But regardless of how you define safe it definitely was one of the most ambitious movies, much less comic book movies, ever. The build up to it was phenomenal. The characters were handled well. And to tell you the truth I don't really think the Nolan Batman movies broke new ground either. Also what exactly made it so the nolan batman movies didn't play it safe?
Originally posted by Newjak
To be honest I think people tend to lump all the good parts of Nolan's movies together while over-looking the bad stuff from of each movie.As for the Avengers being safe I tend to disagree. But regardless of how you define safe it definitely was one of the most ambitious movies, much less comic book movies, ever. The build up to it was phenomenal. The characters were handled well. And to tell you the truth I don't really think the Batman movies broke new ground either. Also what exactly made it so the batman movies didn't play it safe?
They were better because they actually drew parallels and contrasts between the antagonist and protagonist.
I think the Nolan movies handled humor better, where most of the intended jokes actually landed. Whedon had a lot of funny stuff, no doubt. But when he's slinging jokes at 4 puns a minute something's bound to land 😄
I never felt like the Avengers faced a threat. Everybody got to wail on Loki and then the terribad Aliens showed up and the guy with the shield and the girl with the pistol sent 'em packin'.
Nolan movies go through the various natures of evil and put Batman in some ethically shaky positions. I.e when he actually lets Ra's Al Ghul die. Fury makes some shady calls but that's because he's being highlighted as a possible future enemy/whatever. The Avengers themselves never really seem to be in any situation where it's not fully clear cut what's wrong/right.
Another point are the actors in Avengers. Ruffalo is really talented and he was the only one that really accomplished anything. Hiddleston does the best with what he's given (little and less), but sadly Whedon killed his one good scene to make another pun.
Some of the points where I feel most of the Nolan movies (mainly Batman Begins) win.
Originally posted by currymanA lot of that is just personal preference, none of it sounds ground breaking to me.
They were better because they actually drew parallels and contrasts between the antagonist and protagonist.I think the Nolan movies handled humor better, where most of the intended jokes actually landed. Whedon had a lot of funny stuff, no doubt. But when he's slinging jokes at 4 puns a minute something's bound to land 😄
I never felt like the Avengers faced a threat. Everybody got to wail on Loki and then the terribad Aliens showed up and the guy with the shield and the girl with the pistol sent 'em packin'.
Nolan movies go through the various natures of evil and put Batman in some ethically shaky positions. I.e when he actually lets Ra's Al Ghul die. Fury makes some shady calls but that's because he's being highlighted as a possible future enemy/whatever. The Avengers themselves never really seem to be in any situation where it's not fully clear cut what's wrong/right.
Another point are the actors in Avengers. Ruffalo is really talented and he was the only one that really accomplished anything. Hiddleston does the best with what he's given (little and less), but sadly Whedon killed his one good scene to make another pun.
Some of the points where I feel most of the Nolan movies (mainly Batman Begins) win.
Also I felt a lot of Batman's more ethically shaky moments were either contrived and overblown, or were so glossed over they really didn't serve anything to the plot. Like the Ras moment. He just let him die no big deal no real consequences or moral ridicule. I feel like someone watching that scene would have to force this shady nature on it cause batman never actually feels any kind of angst during it or after. Even when he reappears in TDKR batman never feels any kind of remorse for the death of Ras.
And the Avengers had Thor trying to save his brother from his self and failing, the Hulk almost killed Black widow, Agent Coulson did die. That definitely wasn't playing it safe considering the popularity of Phil.
Originally posted by Newjak
A lot of that is just personal preference, none of it sounds ground breaking to me.Also I felt a lot of Batman's more ethically shaky moments were either contrived and overblown, or were so glossed over they really didn't serve anything to the plot. Like the Ras moment. He just let him die no big deal no real consequences or moral ridicule. I feel like someone watching that scene would have to force this shady nature on it cause batman never actually feels any kind of angst during it or after. Even when he reappears in TDKR batman never feels any kind of remorse for the death of Ras.
And the Avengers had Thor trying to save his brother from his self and failing, the Hulk almost killed Black widow, Agent Coulson did die. That definitely wasn't playing it safe considering the popularity
of Phil.
I didn't say any of it was groundbreaking. I said that they were quality-movies.
Whether or not you felt that they were good, the Batman movies actually tried to deal with moral dilemma. Like I already mentioned there's not drawn any parallels between the protagonists and the antagonists. He's struggling with how to approach the problems in Gotham, he's struggling with acceptance, the girl, and the possible abuse of his own power.
You claim that these are personal opinions? They are not. An opinion would be whether or not I feel that these were good and/or carried out properly. Regardless of that Nolan actually tries to do something.
Avengers was a movie with heroes cracking skulls and one-liners, but little to nothing in the way of a plot and there's little to be had in the way of character development. Downey was funny, but only quality-acting only came from Mr.Ruffalo.
It's not a movie that made you think and it had no depth.
Originally posted by currymanI agree I thought they were quality movies as well. I own all of Nolan's trilogy.
I didn't say any of it was groundbreaking. I said that they were quality-movies.Whether or not you felt that they were good, the Batman movies actually tried to deal with moral dilemma. Like I already mentioned there's not drawn any parallels between the protagonists and the antagonists. He's struggling with how to approach the problems in Gotham, he's struggling with acceptance, the girl, and the possible abuse of his own power.
You claim that these are personal opinions? They are not. An opinion would be whether or not I feel that these were good and/or carried out properly. Regardless of that Nolan actually tries to do something.
Avengers was a movie with heroes cracking skulls and one-liners, but little to nothing in the way of a plot and there's little to be had in the way of character development. Downey was funny, but only quality-acting only came from Mr.Ruffalo.
It's not a movie that made you think and it had no depth.
Most people can do what you did though and make any movie sound much deeper than it is. They are personal opinions. who you feel these moments make a movie much less safe. Yes Nolan tried to do things to produce moral grey areas, that doesn't mean he succeeded or succeeded as well as you are thinking.
Also if you're going to use all three of the Nolan Movies I'm going to use all the Avengers Tie-In movies which all had great acting, solid moral dilemmas and great build up the Avengers which carried a lot of that stuff over from the tie-ins.
Originally posted by -Pr-
DC Online kind of fell by the wayside, imo. It's still a good game, but Marvel Heroes is as good, imo.And Marvel has the new Lego game coming out.
Honestly, I havent played the Marvel MMO yet, but from what I have read (and been told), you have to use a premade character (which kills the standard idea inherent to MMO's; build your own character) which doesnt sit well with me...
DC Universe Online, on the other hand, simply continues to build upon awesomeness; have you checked out the Home Turf update yet? Sheer brillance...the ability to have your own base, be able to furnish it, and be able to call upon obital strikes, minions, and supply drops from said base is amazing.
A few peeps in my league said that the Marvel game is decent, but is still far behind DCUO...
Yeah, it still has a pretty decent following last I checked. It's free to play too (though some things like the Lantern powers are separate addons).
It's a combination of mission and grind based gameplay, and the presentation is top notch. At the very least, give it a couple of hours and see what you think.
Well...I just want to thank everyone for responding to my OP, especially given that any threads I started in the past rarely got past page 1.
However (and my bad for not being clearer), my intent was get a sense of opinion on which comic company, well, goes over the top with, eg, character feats (one-upmanship with either other characters in the same company or its main rival), or with hyperbole (ie, when one character states what another character can do or did, though that feat was never on panel).
In any event, I did learn some interesting stuff anyway from everyone's responses. So thanks for showing me that not all my threads automatically become utter and complete flops.
Originally posted by Mindship
Well...I just want to thank everyone for responding to my OP, especially given that any threads I started in the past rarely got past page 1.However (and my bad for not being clearer), my intent was get a sense of opinion on which comic company, well, goes over the top with, eg, character feats (one-upmanship with either other characters in the same company or its main rival), or with hyperbole (ie, when one character states what another character can do or did, though that feat was never on panel).
In any event, I did learn some interesting stuff anyway from everyone's responses. So thanks for showing me that not all my threads automatically become utter and complete flops.
LOL! I was wondering why nobody actually responded to the question at hand. Anyway, Pre-Crisis went over the top a lot for characters like Legion and Superboy. DC still has a lot of over the top feats and Marvel is right in the thick of things, if you include Hyperion's feat.
DC has greater diversity, complexity and mature themes in both their comics, aswell as movies.
Marvel are mostly 'superheroes', which is basically the formula they applied to their movies. There's nothing really remarkable about their movies, other than the fact that they're 'good, safe superhero movies'.