Originally posted by Patient_Leech
I don't understand why people cant take it for what it is.
That's exactly the point! The marketing, the initial hype, the Internet gossip...all alluded to an Alien Origins movie... Thus the confusion & disappointment.
I understand & respect your fondness & defensiveness to the movie. But the average public didn't & couldn't be bothered reading up on Scott & all the politics & insights that you obviously have to come up with your own justifications.
No one wanted to see Noomi flew off to look for answers, they wanted to see Aliens kick butt.
Well I'm in the minority anyway, because I don't think Aliens was an improvement over Alien at all. I still think James Cameron got the tone and everything wrong. I dont think it was really marketted to make people think there would be tons of Aliens running around (that was AVP). We've already seen all that anyway. If it disappointed it might have been because the trailer was really fantastic and perhaps it hyped it TOO much. I personally avoided the trailers before I saw it, though. So I was blown away.
Originally posted by Patient_Leech
Well I'm in the minority anyway, because I don't think Aliens was an improvement over Alien at all.
Wasn't aware this was a thing. Alien is the superior film in terms of quality, but it's an entirely different film than Aliens. One is a sci-fi horror/suspence/thriller; the other is a sci-fi action flick.
Originally posted by Patient_Leech
Oh, yeah. People always seem to hail Aliens as the definitive film in the franchise. Esau has just recently. I find the marines f#cking annoying, personally.
Actually news to me. I love "Aliens" though, but it's a completely different animal to the sci-fi horror masterpiece "Alien".
Originally posted by Robtard
Actually news to me. I love "Aliens" though, but it's a completely different animal to the sci-fi horror masterpiece "Alien".
I could not agree more. But people often laud it as the best and I've even seen it on many a favorite movie list. To me, Alien is far superior. James Cameron mucked it up with annoying marines and stupid pandering to the audience.
Originally posted by Kazenji
Yeah it does, Its set before the Prometheus book & if you got Prometheus #3 where it showed Galgo & his crew flying off near the end that's where the Avp part eventually comes in.
I'm not really that interested in the AvP shit... just the Prometheus stuff. It would probably start to get a bit too expensive anyway, to order all of them.
Originally posted by Patient_Leech
Oh, yeah. People always seem to hail Aliens as the definitive film in the franchise. Esau has just recently. I find the marines f#cking annoying, personally.
Aliens created a franchise. Hollywood saw the potential in that.
I never said it was the definitive film in the series.
I mean you say Cameron got the tone wrong...others will argue he simply took it in a different direction.
Did you see ONE egg in the 1st Alien movie OR did you see a crashed ship filled with hundreds of them?
Why criticise Cameron for seeing the potential of all those eggs hatching?
And name a movie where the Marines aren't meant to be f-ing annoying?
My criticism of Aliens is not that it wasn't good or successful at accomplishing what it wanted. My criticism of it is that it wasn't creative, that it didn't add any ideas to the series (in fact it simply used the same ideas from the first film). It was just a stereotypical hollywood sequel: more guns, aliens, and action. In short, the story sucked. But no doubt that is what Cameron was hired to do.
In its defense, however, the general premise was the logical progression for the story to go. I just would have preferred some ideas to go along with it.
Anyone seen the concept art for that supposed Alien film, Neill BlomKamp was working on
http://io9.com/neill-blomkamps-secret-alien-movie-looks-so-good-were-f-1677082116
Now Neill is saying it could still "May happen"
http://bloody-disgusting.com/news/3331934/neill-blomkamps-alien-still-may-happen/
Originally posted by Kazenji
Now Neill is saying it could still "May happen"http://bloody-disgusting.com/news/3331934/neill-blomkamps-alien-still-may-happen/
You know what, I'd have mixed feelings about him doing an Alien movie. On the one hand I think he'd do an amazing and fascinating job with the design and look of everything and probably have a very interesting premise and take on it (ala Elysium which I thought was pretty great). BUT if he pulls that shaky cam shit with it then it will ruin it. Somehow I still managed to really enjoy Elysium despite the shaky cam, but it would not improve the Alien universe at all. The designs and atmosphere are meant to be soaked in and savored.
Official now
http://instagram.com/p/zQwEQ0qhBq/
Think we're going to have a tie in between Alien 5 and Prometheus 2. could be interesting...