Alien: Covenant

Started by Patient_Leech64 pages

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
I think if it was any other director, people would've just shrugged the silly plot nuances off.

I mean a highly respected director like Scott should've, imo, seen some of the plot devices were out of character, just to keep the story flowing...

To me the overarching themes and ideas are what stand out so much and any (supposedly) peculiar plot devices (which I don't think there are) have no significance whatsoever. Especially when the film is directed so superbly, visually and pacing wise. I just read the 2nd comic and it gets pretty action-packed and bloody. It also starts hinting a bit more about what the black substance is, an "accelerant." I guess what they mean is an "evolutionary accelerant." So in short, the comic covers another mission to LV-223 to investigate and salvage the missing Weyland mission and they arrive over a century after the Prometheus film. I believe the film was something like 2093-2094. The mission in the comic takes place in 2219. So they arrive and there is a huge jungle grown up around the wreckage with vicious creatures and even some xenomorphs. It's actually kind of badass.

I should be getting the 3rd comic today or very soon. Then there is another in December and another in February, I believe.

Shit got super real in Prometheus comic #3. Xenomorphs galore...

CinemaBlend - Prometheus 2 Will Contain An Entirely New Species of Alien

Ridley has mentioned that there will be no xenomorphs in P2 and "Speaking to his desire to create something real and scary for the upcoming sequel, Scott told the newspaper...

"The alien’s real which is why it’s probably one of the scariest monsters in film history. So with Prometheus 2 what I’m trying to do is reintroduce a fresher form of alien in the third act."

The new Xenomorph is going to be William Defoe's character.

If only.. if only...

Well they haven't done much casting yet, so there's a chance. 💃

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
CinemaBlend - Prometheus 2 Will Contain An Entirely New Species of Alien

Ridley has mentioned that there will be no xenomorphs in P2 and "Speaking to his desire to create something real and scary for the upcoming sequel, Scott told the newspaper...

I kinda think Ridley's acknowledging the fact that it was James Cameron's version of Alien that established the franchise.
Audiences want gung-ho mercs not intrepid scientists...that's why he's trying to steer clear of the aliens that we want & kinda expect to see.

Didn't realise there was 2 Prom threads & posted my same thoughts in both.

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
I kinda think Ridley's acknowledging the fact that it was James Cameron's version of Alien that established the franchise.
Audiences want gung-ho mercs not intrepid scientists...that's why he's trying to steer clear of the aliens that we want & kinda expect to see.

I don't think he's avoiding it because he knows that's what the public wants to see.. is that what you're saying?

He's avoiding it because it's been done to death and is no longer scary the way it once was. It's the same reason he wasn't interested in just doing a strict Alien prequel or sequel. He wanted to go along a little different path and expand the mythology and add some new ideas. Don't get me started on Aliens, because while it is entertaining, it really offered absolutely nothing new as far as ideas.

Originally posted by Patient_Leech

He's avoiding it because it's been done to death and is no longer scary the way it once was. It's the same reason he wasn't interested in just doing a strict Alien prequel or sequel. He wanted to go along a little different path and expand the mythology and add some new ideas. Don't get me started on Aliens, because while it is entertaining, it really offered absolutely nothing new as far as ideas.

Personally, I never categorised the Alien franchise as horror or scary.
The 1st was sci-fi suspense/drama, the rest, sci-fi action/adventure.

Aliens might've offered nothing new in ideas...the same can be said for the Terminator franchise but in the hands of Cameron, he made them both iconic figures that will always have worldwide appeal.

The general public wanted to see an Origin story of the xenos not so much the mythology of The Engineers. It's like Lucas wanting to do spin-offs of minor characters that no one cares or remembers...

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
The general public wanted to see an Origin story of the xenos...

We did.

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
...not so much the mythology of The Engineers.

Then the general public is boring for wanting to see what they've already seen before. I agree with Ridley.

Originally posted by Patient_Leech

Then the general public is boring for wanting to see what they've already seen before. I agree with Ridley.

Ridley changed the script so many times even after production had begun...I wonder if he started to doubt himself or get pressured from the big-wigs?

Murals depicting Alien queens & xenos was clearly meant for an early version of the script.

Speculation, sir. All speculation. I dont think he was getting much pressure from studio execs as evidenced by the R rating. He changed the script because he didn't want to do a strict Alien prequel and neither did the studio.

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
He changed the script because he didn't want to do a strict Alien prequel and neither did the studio.

Thus the public confusion.
He didn't want to do a prequel but bases the story on a minor character (The Pilot/Engineer) from the original movie?

I mean c'mon...without The Engineer, you wouldn't have Alien.

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
Thus the public confusion.
He didn't want to do a prequel but bases the story on a minor character (The Pilot/Engineer) from the original movie?

I mean c'mon...without The Engineer, you wouldn't have Alien.

#facts

#???

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
#???

# mean hashtag
#facts means truth🙂

Oh ok.

I don't hashtag much. 😉

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
Shit got super real in Prometheus comic #3. Xenomorphs galore...

Have you been getting the Aliens book for Fire & Stone?.

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
Thus the public confusion.
He didn't want to do a prequel but bases the story on a minor character (The Pilot/Engineer) from the original movie?

I mean c'mon...without The Engineer, you wouldn't have Alien.

I don't know why Spaihts was hired to do a strict Alien prequel if that's not what Ridley wanted to do, because I think the studio was only interested in another Alien movie if Ridley would do it (the studio was at least savvy enough to realize that the Alien franchise was wearing pretty thin by the time Resurrection came around. 8-minute underwater scene anyone?). Maybe the studio just wanted to see what it would look like and use it as a starting point. I'm not sure, but my guess is that the studio execs (unoriginal as they usually are) probably commissioned the strict prequel treatment and Ridley wanted to steer it differently (plus it's hard to name a big budget movie that isn't planned in hopes of creating at least 2 or 3 more if it's a success). Ridley is not a writer, afterall. But he is clearly very precious with this subject matter and approves it all before he films it obviously. Ridley kept saying that if he was to do a follow-up to his Alien he would prefer to explore the elephantine "Space Jockey" (as it was once called). He's not as interested in doing something that's already been done (i.e. Alien sequels). James Cameron just ripped off the original movie, so to me it's really quite overrated. At this point xenomorphs and facehuggers have been done to death and are no longer scary or even interesting.

I think it was always thought of as an Alien prequel (to me it is still a prequel), it's just that once they started developing it more Ridley tried steering people away from expecting another Alien movie because there are no xenomorphs and facehuggers. I think that's where people got confused and had certain expectations. Ridley simply wanted to shift focus onto some newer ideas, like humanity's origin and desire for immortality. We haven't seen those ideas in an Alien movie until now. We've seen corporate greed over human life (twice actually, thanks to Mr. Cameron) and we've seen the hubris of mankind trying to control the aliens in hopes to learn from and weaponize them. But, Ridley, no doubt because he is getting up there in age, is probably contemplating his navel a bit more, so origin of the species and immortality were no doubt on his mind.

Originally posted by Kazenji
Have you been getting the Aliens book for Fire & Stone?.

No, I haven't. Just the Prometheus ones. I imagine they tie in somehow?

You've just pointed out every reason Prometheus was seen as a confusing disappointment to many viewers.

And the 8 minute underwater scene was cool in Ressurection!

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
You've just pointed out every reason Prometheus was seen as a confusing disappointment to many viewers.

I don't understand why people cant take it for what it is. And I certainly can't comprehend why people would even want just another xenomorph/facehugger Alien movie. I think what we got is far more artistic and interesting.

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
And the 8 minute underwater scene was cool in Ressurection!

I'm partial to playing basketball with Ron Perlman.. 😆