Originally posted by RobtardI have seen the movie but I don't own the blu ray version. Everyone agrees Unicron wins.
Quanchi, I'll mail you the Tansformers flick, that way you''ll be able to say why McClane loses here and you'll stop looking like a complete ass who constantly debates in threads about movies he's never seen and characters he's completely ignorant about. Just PM me an address you want it mailed to.
Originally posted by focus4chumpsYou can continue to not answer. I could care less if you do in any of these threads. I do enjoy saying McClane loses and seeing not one of you cowards disagree.
i was going to give my reason, but then came your silly clown routine.and so i will withhold mcclane's fate and watch you flail about like a toddler throwing a tantrum because its clear to all that you have no idea wtf you are talking about and are unfit to even participate in this discussion.
Originally posted by quanchi112
When did I ever say McClane loses due to suffocation ? Quit lying.
When it was brought to Sadako's attention that McClane would need a spacesuit to breath while inside Unicron or else the match couldn't take place, you cried about McClane being allowed a spacesuit. ie you cried that McClane was allowed air to breath. Because you've not seen the film and have yet to state a reason why McClane loses here.
So once again, it is you who is lying. Cry now.
Originally posted by focus4chumpsHe loses cause he is fighting a planet sized transformer, that destroys planets, while only in a little tiny exo-suit that doesn't even have the firepower to take down a normal sized Transformer.
he considered the gift of oxygen for mcclane to be a poor-form mid-thread mod 🙄but lets not move the discussion backwards. im still waiting for the reason mcclane loses. (though not holding my breath of course)
What more do you want 😬
Originally posted by Newjak
He loses cause he is fighting a planet sized transformer
which was proven vulnerable from the inside.
Originally posted by Newjak
that destroys planets
so did the deathstar. on torpedo killed that. displaying an opponents offensive capabilities has nothing to do with it's internal defenses and weaknesses
Originally posted by Newjak
while only in a little tiny exo-suit that doesn't even have the firepower to take down a normal sized Transformer.
as per NOTHING in the film but your own blind guess, yes, ok.
Originally posted by Newjak
What more do you want 😬
evidence
Originally posted by KingD19
McClane's exo suit doesn't have enough firepower to do more than inconvenience Unicron on the inside. When the Transformers shot the pincers, the only thing that happened was it made more spawn. And it took the Matrix to kill Unicron. Something that McClane can't use.
good so we agree that the exosuit can easily take out pinchers.
not only that but when transformed they can conceivably be evaded via outrunning them.
while unicron boasted invulnerability to everything but the matrix, you are basing your conclusion on the prideful words of a movie villain at face value. however while on the inside the autobots pwned the crap out of his inner defenses.
Easily? No. Autobots can easily take them out. Autobots with thousands of years of combat experience, complex targeting computers, and extremely powerful blaster pistols/rifles. It takes a complex sequence of button presses to activate the exo-suit's blaster capabilities as seen the single time it fired, and it's firing rate is slow as all hell. Plus it's awkward as the blaster emitter seems to be coming out of the elbow, so he'd have to get into a weird angle to fire while standing still. So if he's lucky enough to get t firing sequence keyed in, and then aim, he can maybe take out 1 before the rest get him.
Also, to transform took quite some time as well. Took Daniel a good 30+ seconds to finally transform on Junkion, and that was after days or weeks training with the suit. Training McClane doesn't have.
Pwning? You mean severing a few pincers and running away the entire time? That's all they did inside Unicron. Get off a lucky shot or two, then run away. Get flooded out, then run away some more. They ran until they got lucky enough to find Spike and the other captured Autobots.
And the only thing that pwned Unicron was the Matrix, which made him pretty much implode and tear himself apart trying to find the source of his pain. If Hot Rod had never gotten the Matrix and opened it, they would have died inside of Unicron.
How about you watch the movie before debating against it.
Originally posted by KingD19
[garnished puffery about autobots' superiority...] It takes a complex sequence of button presses to activate the exo-suit's blaster capabilities as seen the single time it fired
error 1: you are translating daniel's inane fumbling about his unfamiliar exosuit as common procedure
error 2: your assumption that its a single shot deal. absolute blind speculation as daniel hit the mark the first time and didnt need to fire a second shot.
Originally posted by KingD19
and it's firing rate is slow as all hell.
...based on nothing at all but your guess with no on screen evidence
Originally posted by KingD19
Plus it's awkward as the blaster emitter seems to be coming out of the elbow, so he'd have to get into a weird angle to fire while standing still.
...completely wrong. you need to watch the scene again. they are clearly easily aimed. that shoulder fire could well have been him hitting the wrong button as you can clearly see that he pushes a button on his chest which immediately transforms his arms into blasters. those blasters were at the end of his arms, not on his shoulders. funny how you accuse and mock me of not having payed attention. cry?
Originally posted by KingD19
Also, to transform took quite some time as well. Took Daniel a good 30+ seconds to finally transform on Junkion, and that was after days or weeks training with the suit. Training McClane doesn't have.
you are again using daniel's inadequacy in using the suit as evidence. he was clearly struggling to learn how to command it and once achieved the transformation was instantaneous.
Originally posted by KingD19
Pwning? You mean severing a few pincers and running away the entire time? That's all they did inside Unicron. Get off a lucky shot or two, then run away. Get flooded out, then run away some more. They ran until they got lucky enough to find Spike and the other captured Autobots.
they destroyed and/or evaded countless pinchers. the evidence is simply in the number deployed vs the number of autobots captured which is roughly infinity:0
well we could go on but i get the feeling that once again you're going to call me a "troll" and cry off, leaving my time wasted. yes?
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Originally posted by focus4chumpsUnicron's internal defenses were overwhelming an elite team of giant robot fighters. They would have died had it not been for Rodimus releasing the Matrix. Considering they were getting pinned right before it happened.
which was proven vulnerable from the inside.so did the deathstar. on torpedo killed that. displaying an opponents offensive capabilities has nothing to do with it's internal defenses and weaknesses
as per NOTHING in the film but your own blind guess, yes, ok.
evidence
As for the rest Unicron isn't the deathstar there isn't some easily port that lead directly into his reactor that blows everything up. It took the Matrix to kill it's as simple as that.
Also Unicron didn't even care about the rest of the Autobots, he only cared about the fight between Galavtron and Hot Rod. He knew he could kill every single one of them but if the Matrix had been released he was toast.
As per the fact that Daniel was always told to run and not fight. Heck I don't even think the humans really did anything in the final fight with the pincers.
Originally posted by Newjak
Unicron's internal defenses were overwhelming an elite team of giant robot fighters. They would have died had it not been for Rodimus releasing the Matrix. Considering they were getting pinned right before it happened.
springer was pinned a half second before the pincher blew up. one of the others could have easily shot its cable and saved him. there was no sign that they were ALL about to be pinned.
Originally posted by Newjak
As for the rest Unicron isn't the deathstar there isn't some easily port that lead directly into his reactor that blows everything up. It took the Matrix to kill it's as simple as that.
no it WAS the matrix that killed it. that the matrix was the only way to kill unicron is your own assumption, as well as the villain. and when has a movie villain ever been mistaken about their invulnerability?
Originally posted by Newjak
Also Unicron didn't even care about the rest of the Autobots, he only cared about the fight between Galavtron and Hot Rod. He knew he could kill every single one of them but if the Matrix had been released he was toast.
"didnt care"? while its certainly conceivable that he didnt see them as a threat (hubris is another common flaw of movie villains), you seem to be suggesting that his internal defenses were hampered because he was distracted. however its clear that he was able to simultainiously eye-blast ships. swat dinobots and torture galvatron.
regardless, and respectively, you are wrong. after the dinobots scratched his ass for him, you'll notice that unicron doubles over while his stomach growls, immediately after which the pinchers are deployed. they clearly had his attention and he saw them as a threat (or else why bother wasting his attention by going after them when he had much bigger fish to fry?) he knew none of them had the matrix so why bother?
Originally posted by Newjak
As per the fact that Daniel was always told to run and not fight. Heck I don't even think the humans really did anything in the final fight with the pincers.
daniel was a child. they have the same protective attitude toward him without the suit as well. still no evidence.'
Originally posted by FrothByte
Without the Matrix there really isn't anything McClane can do to hurt Unicron.
fallacious drivel with no evidence.