John McClane Vs Unicron

Originally posted by focus4chumps
springer was pinned a half second before the pincher blew up. one of the others could have easily shot its cable and saved him. there was no sign that they were ALL about to be pinned.

no it WAS the matrix that killed it. that the matrix was the only way to kill unicron is your own assumption, as well as the villain. and when has a movie villain ever been mistaken about their invulnerability?

"didnt care"? while its certainly conceivable that he didnt see them as a threat (hubris is another common flaw of movie villains), you seem to be suggesting that his internal defenses were hampered because he was distracted. however its clear that he was able to simultainiously eye-blast ships. swat dinobots and torture galvatron.

regardless, and respectively, you are wrong. after the dinobots scratched his ass for him, you'll notice that unicron doubles over while his stomach growls, immediately after which the pinchers are deployed. they clearly had his attention and he saw them as a threat (or else why bother wasting his attention by going after them when he had much bigger fish to fry?) he knew none of them had the matrix so why bother?

daniel was a child. they have the same protective attitude toward him without the suit as well. still no evidence.'

fallacious drivel with no evidence.

I didn't say the Matrix was the only way to kill him but considering what he went up against unless you know of another readily available weakness for McClane to exploit then the statement McClane can only win this fight if he had the Matrix rings true.

He was obviously more concerned with the outcome of the Galvatron /RP fight.

He didn't bend over in pain at least not from what I remember. I'll for a clip but he didn't bend over pain I'm pretty sure it just shows him looking down is all.

Let me pose you a question now. How do you think McClane can win?

Originally posted by Robtard
When it was brought to Sadako's attention that McClane would need a spacesuit to breath while inside Unicron or else the match couldn't take place, you cried about McClane being allowed a spacesuit. ie you cried that McClane was allowed air to breath. Because you've not seen the film and have yet to state a reason why McClane loses here.

So once again, it is you who is lying. Cry now.

Originally posted by focus4chumps
he considered the gift of oxygen for mcclane to be a poor-form mid-thread mod 🙄

but lets not move the discussion backwards. im still waiting for the reason mcclane loses. (though not holding my breath of course)

you declared that giving him oxygen WAS thread tampering. dance more suzie. your buthurt is obvious.

Originally posted by Newjak

Let me pose you a question now. How do you think McClane can win?

but i dont think he can win.

Originally posted by Newjak
They were getting overwhelmed plain and simple. Springer getting pinned was a clear way of showing that.

not plain and simple at all. he had no time to react. you're just speculating.

Originally posted by Newjak
I didn't say the Matrix was the only way to kill him but considering what he went up against unless you know of another readily available weakness for McClane to exploit then the statement McClane can only win this fight if he had the Matrix rings true.

He was obviously more concerned with the outcome of the Galvatron /RP fight.

this is all just speculation

Originally posted by Newjak
He didn't bend over in pain at least not from what I remember. I'll for a clip but he didn't bend over pain I'm pretty sure it just shows him looking down is all.

ok maybe not "pain" but it was an obvious allusion to him recognizing his internal intruders, further illustrated with that growling stomach sound and immediate cut to said autobots running through his guts. the full video is on youtube, see my post from 1 page back.

Originally posted by quanchi112
That's thread tampering. Not once did I say he dies because he can't breathe. Despite the thread tampering McClane still loses in a spitey fashion. Saddiekins created the thread. I will lord this over him forever.

Correct, you just cried that McClane was allowed to breath so the match could take place.

Yet you can't say why/how McClane loses, cos you've not seen the TF film. I offered you a DVD copy and f4c posted a direct link to the full film. You have no excuse to argue from ignorance now. Start watching, get to it, boy.

Originally posted by focus4chumps
you declared that giving him oxygen WAS thread tampering. dance more suzie. your buthurt is obvious.

but i dont think he can win.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No one ever claimed he suffocated. I just assumed he could breathe. You simply lack comprehension skills.

fact: no oxygen in unicron

fact: you flooded 15 pages with menstrual blood because you called it "thread tampering" to allow him oxygen.

cry more.

Originally posted by focus4chumps
fact: no oxygen in unicron

fact: you flooded 15 pages with menstrual blood because you called it "thread tampering" to allow him oxygen.

cry more.

suzie's guide to thread winning:

1-declare victory

2-pwn self and display obvious butthurt

3-get publicly flogged and humiliated

4-cry off

5-return the next day and repeat process

I didn't know your name was "Suzie", focus4chumps.

Sounds like a hooker name. How much will you do for $10?

oh hello liz. i missed you.

Why's he so familiar with hookers' names?

Originally posted by focus4chumps
you declared that giving him oxygen WAS thread tampering. dance more suzie. your buthurt is obvious.

but i dont think he can win.

So what are you guys debating over then?

Hookers

Originally posted by FrothByte
So what are you guys debating over then?

upon reflection and someone's post (came so close but missed the mark), i concluded that unicron wins hands down. others approached the point but fall way short as they are focusing on trying to gimp the exosuit, in which even a 10 year old retard was able to survive unicron.

im holding out because i enjoy watching certain members make fools of themselves.

also regarding the topic of exosuits, notice that he had no way to site that single shot which hit the mark (and a small, far one at that).

it could well have been a lucky hip-shot, but i dont think its a stretch of the imagination that the exo-suit had mind-interactive targeting. my reasoning behind this is that daniel had to use his mind to will the suit into transforming, so there is obviously a link which is telepathic in a way.

:edit: @newjack, i forgot to add that in the stomach growling scene, the pinchers were not deployed until unicron noticed them

Originally posted by focus4chumps
suzie's guide to thread winning:

1-declare victory

2-pwn self and display obvious butthurt

3-get publicly flogged and humiliated

4-cry off

5-return the next day and repeat process

Originally posted by focus4chumps
not plain and simple at all. he had no time to react. you're just speculating.

this is all just speculation

ok maybe not "pain" but it was an obvious allusion to him recognizing his internal intruders, further illustrated with that growling stomach sound and immediate cut to said autobots running through his guts. the full video is on youtube, see my post from 1 page back.

It's not really speculation we know he survived having a space ship flown into his head without incident, he took the combined might from an entire planets worth of Giant Robots. That's evidence to prove how tough Unicron is. So unless in the movie you've actually seen a weakness in Unicron a normal human or Transformer could exploit, then it's speculation on your part to assume there could be one.

Originally posted by focus4chumps
also regarding the topic of exosuits, notice that he had no way to site that single shot which hit the mark (and a small, far one at that).

it could well have been a lucky hip-shot, but i dont think its a stretch of the imagination that the exo-suit had mind-interactive targeting. my reasoning behind this is that daniel had to use his mind to will the suit into transforming, so there is obviously a link which is telepathic in a way.

:edit: @newjack, i forgot to add that in the stomach growling scene, the pinchers were not deployed until unicron noticed them

You're making the exo-suit sound far more formidable than it was, as it's pretty obvious it couldn't beat a normal transformer.

So you're telling me you believe that Unicron didn't activate the pincers until he had finished with all the outside threats 😛

That adds to the earlier statement that he didn't even deem them the biggest threat at the time and didn't care to deal with them until later when he didn't have to worry about other things.

you keep contradicting stuff that happened in the film.
all of unicrons internal defenses were destroyed the second that matrix was opened. the issue was then getting out of him before he exploded, not avoiding his nonexistant defenses. there was no evidence that the autobots were about to die. springer and only springer was pinned for a SECOND before they exploded. yet i'm the one assuming stuff. ok then.

watch the scene ffs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJ9jEMs50CY

i was not arguing that unicron was not able to multitask. you essentially agreed with what i said completely. go back and read it again. the point i was making was that unicron was in control of the pinchers, and everything else at the same time. he didnt need to allocate attention from one situation to the other. therefore he didnt have to prioritize his attention to rodimus/galvatron.

it took one shot and one shot only to hit a tiny distant target which daniel had no way of aiming at. you can trivialize that all you wish but it was impossible to line up, especially with that weird 90 degree angle gun.

also, watch the scene again where he arms his weapon. you can clearly see a blast of fire come out of the shoulder which becomes the after-burner for the vehicle. the gun comes from the opposite end of his arm. it was not a function of the gun. he was just fumbling like a tard and finally got it he fires ONE shot, the blast which appears identical to any other autobot pistol.

also, why is it ridiculous to assume lethal firepower in the exosuit? a that the autobots would go through the trouble of arming an exosuit with energy blasters, yet make it harmless to any decepticon. were they just trolling? arcee was able to pwn the pinchers with a pistol, so why is it such a mental leap for you to see an exosuit, built by autobots, able to have the same firepower as their smallest weapons?

and thanks for totally avoiding my point on the exosuit-human mind link which is blatantly apparent.