John McClane Vs Unicron

Originally posted by focus4chumps
you keep contradicting stuff that happened in the film.
all of unicrons internal defenses were destroyed the second that matrix was opened. the issue was then getting out of him before he exploded, not avoiding his nonexistant defenses. there was no evidence that the autobots were about to die. springer and only springer was pinned for a SECOND before they exploded. yet i'm the one assuming stuff. ok then.

watch the scene ffs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJ9jEMs50CY

i was not arguing that unicron was not able to multitask. you essentially agreed with what i said completely. go back and read it again. the point i was making was that unicron was in control of the pinchers, and everything else at the same time. he didnt need to allocate attention from one situation to the other. therefore he didnt have to prioritize his attention to rodimus/galvatron.

it took one shot and one shot only to hit a tiny distant target which daniel had no way of aiming at. you can trivialize that all you wish but it was impossible to line up, especially with that weird 90 degree angle gun.

also, watch the scene again where he arms his weapon. you can clearly see a blast of fire come out of the shoulder which becomes the after-burner for the vehicle. the gun comes from the opposite end of his arm. it was not a function of the gun. he was just fumbling like a tard and finally got it he fires ONE shot, the blast which appears identical to any other autobot pistol.

also, why is it ridiculous to assume lethal firepower in the exosuit? a that the autobots would go through the trouble of arming an exosuit with energy blasters, yet make it harmless to any decepticon. were they just trolling? arcee was able to pwn the pinchers with a pistol, so why is it such a mental leap for you to see an exosuit, built by autobots, able to have the same firepower as their smallest weapons?

and thanks for totally avoiding my point on the exosuit-human mind link which is blatantly apparent.

The thing I'm talking about is he was clearly more interested in the fight between Galvatron and Rodimus. Obviously it was the outcome he most cared about. I could go one and state the only time he ever got angry was when the matrix was failed to be destroyed. Other than that he didn't care and basically attacked anything and everything he wanted and nothing could stop him.

Considering the size of the weapons the exosuit couldn't make a human any tougher than one of Shockwave's cassettes and they couldn't single handily take down a transformer.

And I didn't avoid the human-mental aspect of the suit I just didn't address it because I didn't bring it up and it's perfectly logical for that to be the case considering the transformation on the junkyard planet.

you are presenting your opinion without evidence. which is fine, but not when you try to paint it as fact.

Originally posted by Newjak

The thing I'm talking about is he was clearly more interested in the fight between Galvatron and Rodimus.

there is zero evidence to back this up. all we know is that unicron felt it prudent to torture/compell galvatron into attacking hotrod. once that intervention took place he no longer showed any sign of even paying attention. (though im sure he was, just as he was paying close attention to attacking ships, stupid dinobots, internal autobots, etc.

Originally posted by Newjak
Obviously it was the outcome he most cared about. I could go one and state the only time he ever got angry was when the matrix was failed to be destroyed.

he was just as enraged by galvatron's trolling before he transformed and ate him. unicron was very butthurt so you cant gague his rage to priority. funny how he didnt just crush galvatron and the matrix under his thumb, right there. not only that but he allowed galvatron to stay alive and imprisoned WITH the matrix, so its kind of apparent that he figured he was just fine and the matrix was no longer a threat.

Originally posted by Newjak
Other than that he didn't care and basically attacked anything and everything he wanted and nothing could stop him.

he was focused primarily on defense when the counter-attack started. the whole time he's swatting attackers both inside and outside.

Originally posted by Newjak
Considering the size of the weapons the exosuit couldn't make a human any tougher than one of Shockwave's cassettes and they couldn't single handily take down a transformer.

we are talking about firepower, not brute strength. arcee's pistol was more than enough to pwn those pinchers.

Originally posted by Newjak
And I didn't avoid the human-mental aspect of the suit I just didn't address it because I didn't bring it up and it's perfectly logical for that to be the case considering the transformation on the junkyard planet.

i meant the point of a dumb kid pulling off an expert bullseye hip-shot with that awkward arm gun. if there us a telepathic link its pretty safe to assume targeting would be a breeze.

Originally posted by focus4chumps

there is zero evidence to back this up. all we know is that unicron felt it prudent to torture/compell galvatron into attacking hotrod. once that intervention took place he no longer showed any sign of even paying attention. (though im sure he was, just as he was paying close attention to attacking ships, stupid dinobots, internal autobots, etc.

It has just occurred to me: Why didn't Unicron ever torture or exert that power over any Autobots...? He only ever used his remote-torture power on Megatron/Galvatron..

we are talking about firepower, not brute strength. arcee's pistol was more than enough to pwn those pinchers.

And an accidental miss by that blaster caused a massive flood too.

And did you notice how those pinchers were localised to one tiny part of Unicron, and there were no other internal defences?
Something I noticed yesterday.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
It has just occurred to me: Why didn't Unicron ever torture or exert that power over any Autobots...? He only ever used his remote-torture power on Megatron/Galvatron..

because that would have made it a 3 minute movie.

i dont know, maybe he could only influence evil transformers.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
And an accidental miss by that blaster caused a massive flood too.

And did you notice how those pinchers were localised to one tiny part of Unicron, and there were no other internal defences?
Something I noticed yesterday.

yeah they were actually pretty weak considering...you know...he's FRIKIN UNICRON

Originally posted by focus4chumps
you are presenting your opinion without evidence. which is fine, but not when you try to paint it as fact.

there is zero evidence to back this up. all we know is that unicron felt it prudent to torture/compell galvatron into attacking hotrod. once that intervention took place he no longer showed any sign of even paying attention. (though im sure he was, just as he was paying close attention to attacking ships, stupid dinobots, internal autobots, etc.

he was just as enraged by galvatron's trolling before he transformed and ate him. unicron was very butthurt so you cant gague his rage to priority. funny how he didnt just crush galvatron and the matrix under his thumb, right there. not only that but he allowed galvatron to stay alive and imprisoned WITH the matrix, so its kind of apparent that he figured he was just fine and the matrix was no longer a threat.

he was focused primarily on defense when the counter-attack started. the whole time he's swatting attackers both inside and outside.

we are talking about firepower, not brute strength. arcee's pistol was more than enough to pwn those pinchers.

i meant the point of a dumb kid pulling off an expert bullseye hip-shot with that awkward arm gun. if there us a telepathic link its pretty safe to assume targeting would be a breeze.

The Autobots were getting over whelmed which is why they were trying to run away from the pincers to begin with cause there was so many of them. Obviously they had gotten bogged down.

We know that throughout the entire movie the one thing Unicron cared about was destroying the matrix. He knew what could happen if it were opened. At the point he swallowed Galvatron he may have thought the Matrix was no longer a threat because the Autobots were dead and only they can open it.

And what does bringing up the point of him fighting everything inside and outside have to do with my statement on him basically destroying everything in his path and basically not caring about any damage they could do to him?

Arcee's pistol is roughly the size of a human child, so of course it has more firepower than an exosuit if that's what you were getting at.

Also I just rewatched the scene of him shooting the vat. He does fire twice. One from one blaster and one from another. One missed completely the other hits right below where bar is into the side of the vat. Not exactly the precision super shot you're making it out to be. Also you are overestimating how small the target was. It was probably the size of a human where Daniel hits and besides getting the lid to close you don't see any visible damage where Daniel shot it. Had it been a normal transformer's weapon it would have blasted a hole into it like Arcee's weapon did. 😬

And at the end of the day Arcee's human sized blaster caused a minor hole inside of a planet sized Robot. That would be like me pricking you with a pin built for a microbe.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
It has just occurred to me: Why didn't Unicron ever torture or exert that power over any Autobots...? He only ever used his remote-torture power on Megatron/Galvatron..

And an accidental miss by that blaster caused a massive flood too.

And did you notice how those pinchers were localised to one tiny part of Unicron, and there were no other internal defences?
Something I noticed yesterday.

Originally posted by Newjak
If it were opinion I would be okay, but it's not opinion it is actual fact I'm presenting here.

why should i bother reading the rest of your post when it opens with pure speculation which you tried pimpin 3 times so far as "fact"?

you're gimping of the exosuit is ridiculous enough and now you want to scale it down to microscopic proportions.

unfortunately you are FLAT WRONG

Originally posted by Newjak

Arcee's pistol is roughly the size of a human child, so of course it has more firepower than an exosuit if that's what you were getting at.

complete horseshit

Originally posted by focus4chumps
why should i bother reading the rest of your post when it opens with a blatant falsehood which you tried pimpin 3 times so far as "fact"?

Just like you were earlier when you assumed that quan had no legit claim by stating that McClane auto having an exosuit and being inside of Unicron were not inherent due to the opening posters opening post. (I do not agree that it was a big deal that those issues were clarified like him though).

ok champ. although every one of your points is either pure speculation or pure falsehoods. but dont let facts and movie frames cramp your victory.

sucks when someone turns around and ignores your points, doesnt it? well at least i'm not forming a longwinded response while pretending i actually read your post.

Originally posted by focus4chumps
[B]why should i bother reading the rest of your post when it opens with pure speculation which you tried pimpin 3 times so far as "fact"?

you're gimping of the exosuit is ridiculous enough and now you want to scale it down to microscopic proportions.

unfortunately you are FLAT WRONG

http://m10.photobucket.com/image/arcee%20transformers%201986%20movie/Drakken_Shego/COOL%20cartoon%20chicks/transformersmovie.jpg.html?o=0

That's a picture of her gun, it's almost the size of her forearm and hand.

Here is another picture for you to show Danield standing next to her.

http://fyeahtformers.tumblr.com/post/34599588256

Her forearm is still clearly over half the size or half the size of Daniel of Daniel, still making it roughly the size of a human child and still bigger than the exosuits blaster, and based on damage dealt inside of Unicron still stronger.

her forearm is not even half as tall as daniel. and clearly you can see that the exosuit arm is way larger than her pistol

Originally posted by focus4chumps

Originally posted by focus4chumps

you could always just concede the point as you are blatantly flat wrong, but thats not your style is it?

Originally posted by focus4chumps
ok champ. although every one of your points is either pure speculation or pure falsehoods. but dont let facts and movie frames cramp your victory.

sucks when someone turns around and ignores your points, doesnt it? well at least i'm not forming a longwinded response while pretending i actually read your post.

Originally posted by focus4chumps
her forearm is not even half as tall as daniel. and clearly you can see that the exosuit arm is larger than her pistol

you could always just concede the point as you are blatantly flat wrong

And her Pistol is roughly the size of the Exosuit arm and obviously more powerful based on damage dealt inside of Unicron.

again denying blatant visual evidence. its clear to all besides stevie wonder that the exosuit arm is far longer compared to her hand.

well its clear you have no interest in the actual topic and are simply in 'win' mode

Originally posted by focus4chumps
complete horseshit

Originally posted by focus4chumps
again denying blatant visual evidence. its clear to all besides stevie wonder that the exosuit arm is far longer compared to her hand.

well its clear you have no interest in the actual topic and are simply in 'win' mode

It's obvious your a troll, but as long as no believes your your trolling I could care less.

The TF cartoons do re-size characters and their surroundings, depending on the frame.

Unicron suffers from this the most.

Originally posted by Robtard
The TF cartoons do re-size characters and their surroundings, depending on the frame.

Unicron suffers from this the most.

But roughly Humans tend to be much much smaller than Transformers and their weapons are bigger than them to. The Cassette formers are typically shown as being the size of a large humanoid sometimes a human and half.

Here is another frame showcasing Daniel compared to Arcee's arm.

http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-images/screen-captures/Transformers-Movie-1986-Animated/arcee/arcee_007.jpg.html

Yeah Unicron suffered the most from it, but that's because he is the size of planet so it's hard to always draw that to scale.

Originally posted by Newjak
Yeah I know.

But roughly Humans tend to be much much smaller than Transformers and their weapons are bigger than them to. The Cassette formers are typically shown as being the size of a large humanoid sometimes a human and half.

Here is another frame showcasing Daniel compared to Arcee's arm.

http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-images/screen-captures/Transformers-Movie-1986-Animated/arcee/arcee_007.jpg.html

Yeah Unicron suffered the most from it, but that's because he is the size of planet so it's hard to always draw that to scale.

Are you trying to compare Daniel or the exosuit, cos the suit is obviously larger than he is.