You know what I found kind of funny? Validus appeared to be struggling while he was tearing apart a planet in one of those scans (I mean he really looked to be digging in there lol). It made me wonder how powerful a guy would have to be if they could have popped a planet while standing in Vegas with just a footfall?
Originally posted by Stoic
You know what I found kind of funny? Validus appeared to be struggling while he was tearing apart a planet in one of those scans (I mean he really looked to be digging in there lol). It made me wonder how powerful a guy would have to be if they could have popped a planet while standing in Vegas with just a footfall?
It's a Pre-Crisis planet. Anyway, he has also destroyed a good portion of a Sun-Eater, IIRC. 😛
Originally posted by Golgo13
Not really, but he was a monster. Considering what he has done.
Compare to Mangog, no! Mangog defeated the most premier sky father in Odin, as where Validus got punked by the second most powerful Sky Father in PC Darkseid who devolved him back to a child. Everything Odin did to SA Manogo was only temporily and it took Odin killing himself to beat Mangog, it took PIS to beat Mangog, as where Validus it took a glance.
Mangog is bigger stronger and more powerful and versatile and smarter and just as ruthless as Validus or more so since Mangog is avatar of hate & rage; Validus would be just fueling Mangog through the while fight.
Validus is good, very good but Mangog is two notches above him.
Originally posted by the Darkone
Compare to Mangog, no! Mangog defeated the most premier sky father in Odin, as where Validus got punked by the second most powerful Sky Father in PC Darkseid who devolved him back to a child. Everything Odin did to SA Manogo was only temporily and it took Odin killing himself to beat Mangog, it took PIS to beat Mangog, as where Validus it took a glance.Mangog is bigger stronger and more powerful and versatile and smarter and just as ruthless as Validus or more so since Mangog is avatar of hate & rage; Validus would be just fueling Mangog through the while fight.
Validus is good, very good but Mangog is two notches above him.
Mangog isn't stronger, IMO.
Originally posted by the Darkone
Ugh, yes he is and can increase strength due to hatred, rage and physical contact. Everything in Asgard is heavier to 3-4 timers denser compare to earth, not only stronger but more powerful.
Agree to disagree, but we haven't seen any limits to Validus. He crushed a guy who can tow planets across the universe without breaking a sweat. In fact, he didn't even register to Validus.
Originally posted by abhilegendOh, I see you went on replying to me. I'm sorry I only had a chance to read this now, almost an entire day later. You see, I was busy having a life AND reading comic books. 😄 Instead of just posting nonsense and trying to infuriate people for no apparent reason. But, it seems to make you happy, so I understand.
😂Your desperation is showing. Considering what you said in your last post this is just hypocritical on your part.
That's certainly better than throwing a mountain and moving through something THREE TIMES DENSERRRRRRRR THAN EARTH.
Don't worry though, I expect just that from thorbags like you. Not one has surprised me so far.
Well, that's true. Thor and Odin are pussies, captain america has "sonned" them both. Also that was just a joke not that you would understand.
Also don't project your own insecurities on me. Its becoming annoying.
Is the term "Thorbag" supposed to be hurting me in some way, because you use it an awful lot? 😕
Well, it was good hearing from you, but I have to move on and debate with more knowledgeable forum members and people that are actually cool to communicate with.
Originally posted by Horrificus
Oh, I see you went on replying to me. I'm sorry I only had a chance to read this now, almost an entire day later. You see, I was busy having a life AND reading comic books. 😄 Instead of just posting nonsense and trying to infuriate people for no apparent reason. But, it seems to make you happy, so I understand.Is the term "Thorbag" supposed to be hurting me in some way, because you use it an awful lot? 😕
Well, it was good hearing from you, but I have to move on and debate with more knowledgeable forum members and people that are actually cool to communicate with.
That's all you've got? I'm not surprised. See ya.
Originally posted by Horrificus
Does anybody out there think I succeeded in proving Mangog is the victor, over Abhi's argument?Any opinions out there?
Yes and fair!! SA Mangog beat a sky father in SA Odin and it took PIS to beat Mangog, as where Validus got punked by the second most powerful sky father in PC Darkseid next to Odin who are peers.
Originally posted by armedforbattle
A majority of this thread was debating Validus vs MangogWhat about Doomsday, Despero vs Juggernaut & WBH?
Remember I only allowed DD one death. (No dying and coming back)
Despero (V&V) is pretty damn strong. He lifted the Rock of Eternity, which was said to weigh infinity. Plus, he has global level TP.
Originally posted by armedforbattle
I think you better supported your argument.
His best argument was "well validuz beet up PC supaboii, there4 he winz"
What about knocking out thor, THREE TIMES DENSERRRRRRR MOUNTAINS and moving like air through them? Knocking out Odin of SA is the only thing that's anything important here and anybody who's actually read Thor comics from that era and not "OMG, ODIN DESTROYZZZ GALAXIESSSS" scans from internet knows that Odin wasn't much in physical department and Thor actually overpowered him in h2h once. Anything else is just speculation on his part.
Originally posted by Horrificus
Mangog casually one-shotting Thor over and over, defeating ANY version of Odin along with the statements made about previous encounters make it clear that you are wrong.PC Superboy is nowhere near as dangerous or powerful as Odin and regardless of how powerful Superboy was, to say that he dwarfed Thor's attack strength and powers, is insane. In his battle against Mangog, Thor created attacks that turned huge swaths of Asgard into a molten sea. Not Earth, Asgard. 3 times density and strength of earth.
Mangog IGNORED having a mountain range dropped on him that was the size of an empire, as per statements in the story. Again, 3 times the mass and density of earth properties. And, again, Mangog casually tossed it off of himself.
Odin, with brithes filled with poop, consitently stated that he was POWERLESS against Mangog, from previouss experience. When Mangog approached Odin in the second story, Odin gave up, knew he was going down, EXPLAINED THIS ON-PANEL and shunted Asgard to a dimension where Mangog would not be able to destroy the universe by drawing the Twilight Sword.
Odin, AMP'D more than he has ever been (again, stated on-panel) was only able to leech Mangog's power. That was all Odin was able to do. Then he died. Mangog lived.
Mangog has done all of this and more, without receiving a scratch.
And, on top of this, there is no evidence that any of these showings was ever near his peak of power. Mangog gets power from limitless sources. And, these sources, (hate, violence and adoration) are not even all on the same side of the spectrum. The possibilities are pretty much limitless.
Even if we say that Validus and Mangog start out at the same power-level, (which I do not agree with anyway), Mangog also gets power from hate, anger and violence. All evidence says that his battle with Validus would just push Mangog to the point of no return. Especially with his durability. There is no hope of any kind of quick win for Validus.
Sorry Abhi, but regardless of your respect of PC Superboy, feats against a premier skyfather, along with art, narration and storylines to back it up, will always trump Validus and Superboy, Mon-El, Suneater, etc.
And, I take no enjoyment from trouncing you in this case, because Validus is a favorite of mine. So, where you are enjoying your ongoing "Hate-Everything-Asgardian" war and disrespecting Mangog, I still think Validus is awesome. I just don't think he has the same resume. Yet.
The fact that there was nothing all of Asgard could do to Mangog, puts him in a class by himself for now.
And, to disrespect Thor to try and win this debate is not cool or smart. Regardless of your opinion of Thor and PC Superboy, to ignore Thor's Classic Attacks is not the way to go. Although you try to make Thor look like a germ next to PC Superman and PC Superboy, at the time of Mangog's appearance, this was a Thor that was using his "I can do anything that the story calls for" powers. This was the era of his time control showings, speed claims, strength statements and more exotic uses of magic. Most of the stuff Thor did during this period are usually now dismissed in these forums, because he did not do them consistently enough. But, back then, he WAS doing them. And, many of Thor's exotic attacks WERE enough to lay out PC Superman or PC Superboy. Especially if we dig into old scans and look for some of the less flattering losses of these two.
But, instead of doing that with you, I would rather steer away from the DISRESPECTING of these characters.
So, maybe we can keep away from slinging crap on each other's picks and, at the least, agree to disagree.
These are 2 of my favorite characters and it would be a fantasy of mine to see them in a book together, traveling through both comic companies, paying visits to various fan-favorite powerhouse characters along the way.
Mangog is a legitimate "Skyfather-Buster". 😄
Well said.
And when you take into account Odin's feats at the time, I would agree that Mangog is more powerful than Validus.