Originally posted by armedforbattle
A majority of this thread was debating Validus vs MangogWhat about Doomsday, Despero vs Juggernaut & WBH?
Remember I only allowed DD one death. (No dying and coming back)
Despero matches Juggernaut and I see him winning. He put down enough heralds in a few punches to validate this.
Doomsday and The Worldbreaker go at it long enough for Despero to join the fray. 2 versus one should prevail.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Despero casually tosses around Superman and Lobo while smashing GL's, Wonder Woman, Flash, J'onn and others at the same time.What comprable feats does Cain have on that level?
Cain barely registered a full on hit by Thor, the Hulk, and others of that stature. Cain also used to walk around with a face mask which was used for redundancy purposes in case someone managed to pry his helmet off. What in the world makes you believe that Despero would even hurt Cain? Being tossed around does not mean the same as being hurt. Despero is the one fighting an uphill battle not Cain. Desero tires, Cain does not, and this would be his downfall.
Originally posted by Stoic
Cain barely registered a full on hit by Thor, the Hulk, and others of that stature. Cain also used to walk around with a face mask which was used for redundancy purposes in case someone managed to pry his helmet off. What in the world makes you believe that Despero would even hurt Cain? Being tossed around does not mean the same as being hurt. Despero is the one fighting an uphill battle not Cain. Desero tires, Cain does not, and this would be his downfall.
Is the helmet still magically bonded to Cain?
If not, Cain falls even faster.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Is the helmet still magically bonded to Cain?If not, Cain falls even faster.
I thought that this was Classic Juggernaut, as in his best. You realize that 90% of Cain's defeats came by way of plot, or bfr right? At his best outside of his 7-8th day run, was him wearing the face mask. Marvel had to get rid of it, because he was written to be unbeatable in straight on combat.
Originally posted by Stoic
I thought that this was Classic Juggernaut, as in his best. You realize that 90% of Cain's defeats came by way of plot, or bfr right? At his best outside of his 7-8th day run, was him wearing the face mask. Marvel had to get rid of it, because he was written to be unbeatable in straight on combat.
Classic Juggeranut had the psi weakness with the helmet off.
I got caught up in the Mangog/Validus thing, but I have to be honest when I say that Despero is also up there. I don't think he is on the same level as Mangog and Validus, but I would only place him one notch below them, and a notch or 2 above the others.
Whereas Validus and Mangog are potential Skyfather-Busters, Despero is a legitimate Herald-Buster for sure. He is a beast.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Give us your rundown of the fight.
I'm not too sure about Mangog vs Validus
Depsero would eventually tire in his battle with Cain so Cain gets my vote and wins by attrition. I mean do you recall a time if any that Cain was overpowered while operating at his best? When I say overpowered I mean the way that WW Hulk broke Peter's arms, and on panel.
WB Hulk vs HP Doomsday. If the Hulk goes at him the way he went at Betty in the Dark Dimension, I see him winning this by turning DD into bones.
That's just my opinion. All the same it's past my bedtime. Gotta work soon.
Originally posted by Horrificus
I got caught up in the Mangog/Validus thing, but I have to be honest when I say that Despero is also up there. I don't think he is on the same level as Mangog and Validus, but I would only place him one notch below them, and a notch or 2 above the others.Whereas Validus and Mangog are potential Skyfather-Busters, Despero is a legitimate Herald-Buster for sure. He is a beast.
Uhm HP worked the hell out of a peer of Despero in the form Darkseid. Think about what you're saying for a second.
Originally posted by Golgo13
Despero (V&V) is pretty damn strong. He lifted the Rock of Eternity, which was said to weigh infinity. Plus, he has global level TP.
Originally posted by Golgo13
He casually took down Superboy and Mon-El and tore apart a good potion of a Uber Sun Eater. Validus is no joke.