Originally posted by carver9
During the time "time itself" was being messed up. Also, the Earth was still intact during that scene.
Look, as someone who has an open rivalry with the Hulk (Being a Thorbag and all) I've looked at a lot of ways to lowball that dark dimension feat. But it is what it is. It's phucking incredible fan service by a fanboy piece of **** (even if I like some of his work) that made my job harder to argue my boy is > any version of Hulk. Which he is. But that's an argument for another thread.
The Hulk by slamming into his wife created so much power it killed some pretty powerful people. Well not just killed them, straight up disintegrated them. He didn't even have to hit them directly to do it. Even with matter being weaker in the dark dimension, I guarantee they weren't made out of toilet paper. And even if they were, the mindless ones were proving a difficult task for Umar to deal with, who Hulk wiped out indirectly from a distance. It's not easy to beat.
Those guys are jobbers. There is a lot of evidence that portray them weaker than what it is usually claimed.
Not reffereing to wendigo or bi beast though, they have better showings than the rest.
But mindless ones and armachddon top tiers? No, not really.
While i agree that hulk can bust a planet outside the dark dimension. I dont believe most of the other guys can even withstand a planet buster force.
Yes, it is mentioned some can survive a neutron star,but on the same comic, they get damaged by moonraker, and is not only that, but on most comics, people cut their heads, pierce their skin and overall get damaged by much much less than neutron star.
So the logic and true lies in this simple thing.
A character who can survive a neutro star gets killed by a planet buster and damaged by moonraker, spiderman, thing, thor, iron man and so on.
So is either :
1) neuron stars are weaker than planet busters, iron man, thor, spiderman or moonraker
OR
2) this vaunted "invulnerability" is just not true, because if it were, moonraker , thor, iron man, spiderman or planet buster forces should not be able to damage them.
We all know adamantium is durable, because it is shown that is hard to destroy. Evidence confirms it. But that cannot be said for the mindless ones.
Have a lot of evidence on the subject available.
Pm me if you want it, so we dont derail this thread. 🙂
The mindless ones have ranged from being destroyed by Thor to fire hydrants. Their durability spikes, no doubt about it. But for the purposes of the miniseries, they were being treated as a threat.
The neutron star thing is some major BS though. Hulk didn't hit for a fraction of the power of a neutron star. And the writer didn't even know what a neutron star is I'm willing to bet since he said the mindless ones were mining on the stars...except that they spin like around 200 times per second or something ridiculous like that...and would explode wheb the mindless ones were sucked onto it from the intense gravity.
They have always being called a treath, even when they get destroyed by fire hydrants. Every single appearance of them, the narration mentions it, but they always end up showing the same result on panel.
They are particularly resistent to magic. But nothing more than that. They are basically like water down Ben Grims with a particular magical resistence.
I honestly do not think that Ben Grim can survive a planet buster force, nor any of the guys on that feat except maybe for wendigo and mostly because of his nature.
The way i see it is.
Hulk cuts loose and kills a bunch Ben Grims sitting on the planet.
Something that could be done by Thor, Terrax, SS, or other high harald that decided to bust a planet too.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
They have always being called a treath, even when they get destroyed by fire hydrants. Every single appearance of them, the narration mentions it, but they always end up showing the same result on panel.They are particularly resistent to magic. But nothing more than that. They are basically like water down Ben Grims with a particular magical resistence.
I honestly do not think that Ben Grim can survive a planet buster force, nor any of the guys on that feat except maybe for wendigo and mostly because of his nature.
So is that why Nova Prime was unable to hurt them, because he is magic based...oh, wait, he isn't.
Originally posted by carver9
Now this is low balling Pr. They still haven't accepted the ft for what it is. The big thing about it isn't the planet exploding, the big deal is, Hulk accomplished something Umar was incapable of. No matter how you swing it, Hulk was above Herald levels and reaching skyfather.
Umar was completely unharmed by the explosion and she didn't act scared, wary, or impressed by the Hulk's power at all...
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Umar was completely unharmed by the explosion and she didn't act scared, wary, or impressed by the Hulk's power at all...
Never said she was scared but it was stated she couldnt stop the Mindless Ones which is the reason why she needed Hulks help. The crazy thing about it is, Hulk stopped them without even laying a glove on them
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
They have always being called a treath, even when they get destroyed by fire hydrants. Every single appearance of them, the narration mentions it, but they always end up showing the same result on panel.They are particularly resistent to magic. But nothing more than that. They are basically like water down Ben Grims with a particular magical resistence.
I honestly do not think that Ben Grim can survive a planet buster force, nor any of the guys on that feat except maybe for wendigo and mostly because of his nature.
And sometimes they deliver, most of the time they don't. Dooms mindlesd ones for example, overwhelmed the mighty avengers.
In any case, I doubt Paks intentions were to throw a jobber army at hulk. Looking at an average gor their durability, its still pretty beastly to
disintergrate them without directly striking them.
It was definitely more than a typical planet buster though seeing as how hulk
was in the air and didn't even touch the planet. It took out a moon in the process also which was ridiculous in and of itself with the distance the blast waves traveled.