H'el vs. WBH

Originally posted by carver9
Now this is low balling Pr. They still haven't accepted the ft for what it is. The big thing about it isn't the planet exploding, the big deal is, Hulk accomplished something Umar was incapable of. No matter how you swing it, Hulk was above Herald levels and reaching skyfather.

Either she is a sky father and didn't produce the force necessary to kill the mindless ones because of reasons known only to her..

or she isn't a a sky father because she was unable to produce even planet busting attack.

Hulk producing a planet buster in a shared feat doesn't put him above a high herald just because umar never attempted to do the same.

Originally posted by Stoic
I know what it tells me. The Hulk was busting her a$$ in that room like he was Shane Diesel.

Originally posted by Diesldude
so are you saying that Umar wasn't capable enough to produce a planet buster? If that's the case then she shouldn't be considered a sky father. Or maybe she didn't kill the mindless ones because she didn't want her world destroyed. The hulk because of his wish was willing to take it to that level.

Either she is a sky father and didn't produce the force necessary to kill the mindless ones because of reasons known only to her..

or she isn't a a sky father because she was unable to produce even planet busting attack.

Hulk producing a planet buster in a shared feat doesn't put him above a high herald just because umar never attempted to do the same.

They died before the planet exploded.

H'el is pretty damn beast

Originally posted by Damborgson
And sometimes they deliver, most of the time they don't. Dooms mindlesd ones for example, overwhelmed the mighty avengers.

In any case, I doubt Paks intentions were to throw a jobber army at hulk. Looking at an average gor their durability, its still pretty beastly to
disintergrate them without directly striking them.

It was definitely more than a typical planet buster though seeing as how hulk
was in the air and didn't even touch the planet. It took out a moon in the process also which was ridiculous in and of itself with the distance the blast waves traveled.

Thumbs up 👆 for advocating the only sensible, on-panel, and writer supported interpretation of the feat contrary to some of the other moronic nonsense being floated in this thread.

(I trust you have come to terms with the reality of WBH being >>Thor. 😛)

But yeah for a "Thorbag" your posts are always very fairminded. 😄

still need to see more from h'el.......if its limited to h2h only then its a pretty good fight though

Originally posted by carver9
They died before the planet exploded.

Originally posted by chipguy_okay
Hulk was able to blow up a planet with a punch and endure the explosion, wasn't he? H'el isn't in that strength bracket. He's stronger than Superman who could bench press the weight of earth. Also, this issue Superman punched hard enough it could be felt at the center of earth and the watchtower. That's good, but it's still not planet exploding power. in pure raw strength and durability hulk is ahead.

H'el blitz superman so he's way ftl. I doubt hulk's would be able to react, but I don't know his feats to well outside recent runs. He'l can probably just pound on him until he falls given he is still damn strong.

other crap-
H'el has some weak tp Hulk could ignore. Tk below his physical strength. Time-warp manipulation, teleportation, illusions, and some matter/energy manipulation that could hold back the supe trio. Between that stuff he should win comfortably hulk.

h'el still sucks though

Proof that's he stronger than a guy who can bench press Earth weight for five days straight? If something is that light enough for Supes--and thus H'el by extension--to bench press for that long, their max is much higher than that.

It takes much less than Earth's weight in force to destroy the Earth. Much less.

The fact that Superman's punches did not simply destroy Earth are for two possible reasons--out of universe; the obvious is that Earth is just too damn inconvenient to destroy in most stories. No dragon balls anywhere.--in universe; Their Earth is just that damn durable to be able to withstand Earth weight + force from Superman's fists and only feel shockwaves.

I think it will be sensible for those claiming that the mindless ones, have herald level durability. To show on panel evidence that they have indeed herald level durability, Like lets say surviving at least a continent buster.

Since they are the ones making those claims, burden of proof is on them.

I think they are "moronic nonsense" durable, but not "herald level" durable.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Proof that's he stronger than a guy who can bench press Earth weight for five days straight? If something is that light enough for Supes--and thus H'el by extension--to bench press for that long, their max is much higher than that.

It takes much less than Earth's weight in force to destroy the Earth. Much less.

The fact that Superman's punches did not simply destroy Earth are for two possible reasons--out of universe; the obvious is that Earth is just too damn inconvenient to destroy in most stories. No dragon balls anywhere.--in universe; Their Earth is just that damn durable to be able to withstand Earth weight + force from Superman's fists and only feel shockwaves.

Sure, but I doubt Pak knew that.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Sure, but I doubt Pak knew that.

Hmm, I don't really read hulk books so I had no idea that they were sent back to Earth for a time after being turned giant.

People just posted out of context scans, I figured they were still in the Dark Dimension.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Hmm, I don't really read hulk books so I had no idea that they were sent back to Earth for a time after being turned giant.

People just posted out of context scans, I figured they were still in the Dark Dimension.

Some FACTS about the Dark Dimension feat:

1. It was a shared feat. WBH and Red She-Hulk did it together. So WBH was responsible for 50% of the destruction.
2. There were also ouside Forces working during this feat. Hulkks wish. Betty was amped by this wish and who knows what effect it had on Hulk and the other enemies who were also under it's influence.
3. The Mindless Ones are cannon fodder, they are not Heralds and no sane Person would put them on the level of a true Herald 1 on 1.
4. Wendigo and Bi-Beast are C-List enemies and they are also not on the level of Surfer or Thor.
5. The Dark Dimension was still there and only the Planet was destroyed. So it's a shared planetbuster.
6. As Abhi's scan showed, the matter isn't as tough as the Marvel earth, and Marvel Earth wouldn't have been destroyed anyway.

All in all it's a great feat, under the effect of the wish WBH was responsible for the destruction of 50% of a Planet, size unknown, probably smaller then earth and not as durable. Still impressive.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Some FACTS about the Dark Dimension feat:

1. It was a shared feat. WBH and Red She-Hulk did it together. So WBH was responsible for 50% of the destruction.
2. There were also ouside Forces working during this feat. Hulkks wish. Betty was amped by this wish and who knows what effect it had on Hulk and the other enemies who were also under it's influence.
3. The Mindless Ones are cannon fodder, they are not Heralds and no sane Person would put them on the level of a true Herald 1 on 1.
4. Wendigo and Bi-Beast are C-List enemies and they are also not on the level of Surfer or Thor.
5. The Dark Dimension was still there and only the Planet was destroyed. So it's a shared planetbuster.
6. As Abhi's scan showed, the matter isn't as tough as the Marvel earth, and Marvel Earth wouldn't have been destroyed anyway.

All in all it's a great feat, under the effect of the wish WBH was responsible for the destruction of 50% of a Planet, size unknown, probably smaller then earth and not as durable. Still impressive.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Its strictly a herald level feat although a very high end feat. Surfer and Morg have done it, Superman and Kal-L have done it and so on. Only at herochat and in hulk fanboys' mind it is such a deal breaker.

I would say that WBH is a high herald who can go up to Trans levels, like SS, Supes or Thor.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Dr. Strange took WBH to earth and he absorbed several gamma bombs which powered him up to several levels above what he was in Dark Dimension. Earth was still spared it seems. It matches perfectly with Dark Dimension planet being more fragile than Earth if a more powerful WBH can't destroy Earth, doesn't it? Not to hulk fanboys though.

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Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Btw, i dont really care who wins in here, i just thought to chip in. Because of the feat involving superman was mentioned and my super senses started tingling 😛

😄

Originally posted by Naija boy
Thumbs up 👆 for advocating the only sensible, on-panel, and writer supported interpretation of the feat contrary to some of the other moronic nonsense being floated in this thread.

(I trust you have come to terms with the reality of WBH being >>Thor. 😛)

But yeah for a "Thorbag" your posts are always very fairminded. 😄

Give me total control over Thor's actions and I'll BZ you against every Hulk incarnation at the same time!

Thanks dude haha 😄

Originally posted by carver9
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