Originally posted by -Pr-
In the comics, Hulk can start off low and jump very quickly to a high level. On a forum though, just like Gladiator is at full confidence, Hulk is already raging like someone just cut him off on the freeway while doing Betty in the back seat.
Under this rules then i agree with your assesment.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
No he is not.Check leaders lair a very biased hulk site and the guy who runs it knows more than carver.
Savage hulk is 75 tons at base.
Ill post the scans of abomination and samson defeating hulk when he does not pass his base.
Hell at some point he even got a power up in order to defeat abomination and abomination is not hh
So where does Grey Hulk start at that is significantly weaker than Savage?
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
IIRC remark IIRCSavage is 75/90 tons
Gravage 65/75
Grey is 75/85
Somewhere around there AT BASE
This base Hulk bullshit has got to stop.
Seriously, how many times does he have to immediately jump into a brawl with Top Tiers for it die?
He does have a lower end base but it's gone so instantly depending on the threat that if he enters a fight with Superman or Thor, it's safe to assume he's already as strong or close to them.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
This base Hulk bullshit has got to stop.Seriously, how many times does he have to immediately jump into a brawl with Top Tiers for it die?
He does have a lower end base but it's gone so instantly depending on the threat that if he enters a fight with Superman or Thor, it's safe to assume he's already as strong or close to them.
*cough*
Originally posted by -Pr-
In the comics, Hulk can start off low and jump very quickly to a high level. On a forum though, just like Gladiator is at full confidence, Hulk is already raging like someone just cut him off on the freeway while doing Betty in the back seat.
Correction
Savage is 90
Grey is 75
Both values at base
I was off by 15, but that is much better than being off by a billion.
How strong was sakar with disk? I dont remember if that was a savage incarnation, i have to read it again, but 90 ton when he had the disk sounds better than 150 billion. Lol carver
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
This base Hulk bullshit has got to stop.Seriously, how many times does he have to immediately jump into a brawl with Top Tiers for it die?
He does have a lower end base but it's gone so instantly depending on the threat that if he enters a fight with Superman or Thor, it's safe to assume he's already as strong or close to them.
The strongest we've seen him was in WWH after his draw with Sentry, he transformed again and started emitting Gamma Rays and his foot-step caused a super earth-quake. I'd think Superman could scrape off a win with Hulk even at that level because of his combat speed is approaching the Flash, his strength is planet level, his hardest punches alter reality, his combat skill is worth 2,000 years of experience, he can see weak spots in any creature's anatomy with microscopic vision, when concentrating his Kryptonian strength is as great as it needs to be in conjunction with his super-evolved Kryptonian mind; he's a mathematical killing machine.
Give him full use of his powers and he this is a curbstomp.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
This base Hulk bullshit has got to stop.Seriously, how many times does he have to immediately jump into a brawl with Top Tiers for it die?
He does have a lower end base but it's gone so instantly depending on the threat that if he enters a fight with Superman or Thor, it's safe to assume he's already as strong or close to them.
That has already been cleared with PR, so you can read my response to him.
However that does not change the fact, that he starts offa base and builds up from there. How much? Or fast? Will depend on his stress level.
Reason why, i agree with PR's assesment of a balanced outcome
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
What one-shot feat could demonstrate both Superman's and Hulk's ultimate striking power?
That will depend on if superman is using superspeed and the distance he will have to accelerate his punch and how many punches he will trade with hulk before hulk can land a punch. Assuming that superman will stay in one place for hulk to punch.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
CorrectionSavage is 90
Grey is 75
Both values at base
I was off by 15, but that is much better than being off by a billion.
How strong was sakar with disk? I dont remember if that was a savage incarnation, i have to read it again, but 90 ton when he had the disk sounds better than 150 billion. Lol carver
When he had the disk on, he was able to ko Surfer. During the beginning of his transformation, he recently dog piled Ironman. Grey Hulk isn't close to Savage in strength. Stop lowballing Hulk.
Originally posted by DolosWe've well I have seen him vastly stronger than that. This shows you have not been keeping up with the Hulk. Not surprised. Hulk at his best completely embarrasses Superman.
The strongest we've seen him was in WWH after his draw with Sentry, he transformed again and started emitting Gamma Rays and his foot-step caused a super earth-quake. I'd think Superman could scrape off a win with Hulk even at that level because of his combat speed is approaching the Flash, his strength is planet level, his hardest punches alter reality, his combat skill is worth 2,000 years of experience, he can see weak spots in any creature's anatomy with microscopic vision, when concentrating his Kryptonian strength is as great as it needs to be in conjunction with his super-evolved Kryptonian mind; he's a mathematical killing machine.Give him full use of his powers and he this is a curbstomp.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusRao already conceded the point.
At the level he's operating now, if Superman interrupted him during happy hour with Betty, he'd probably be stronger from the get go. Also 👆.At least someone has been keeping up to date.
Originally posted by carver9
When he had the disk on, he was able to ko Surfer. During the beginning of his transformation, he recently dog piled Ironman. Grey Hulk isn't close to Savage in strength. Stop lowballing Hulk.
Let me remind you that is Green Scar is not Savage Hulk.
and Quote
"Savage Hulk
Intelligence: Learning impared
Strength: Hulk's level in a calm state is Superhuman Class 90. Hulk is easily enraged sending him up into and well past the Class 100 range, The Hulk's anger knows no bounds and a limit to his strength has yet to be reached.
Speed: Enhanced Human
Stamina: Metahuman
Durability: Demi-godlike
Agility: Normal
Reflexes: Athlete
Fighting Skills: Good hand to hand combatant
Green Scar
The green scar- has the intelligence of banner the cunning of the gray hulk and base strength over 100 tons.
His rage is at its most focused, due to meditation training by his ally Hiroim.
This incarnation has extremely high durability, as evidenced by his ability to withstand Black Bolt's voice (later revealed to be a Skrull), whereas the Savage Hulk could not.
He has had training in combat arms, including broadswords, spears, and battle shields, and is a capable leader and strategist"
From what I have read on Hulk, compared to what you claim vs what this guy says. I must tell you, that YOU have a long way to learn about the HULK.
You are talking Green Scar, you don't even know the differences between the incarnations of Hulk.
Now the thread for what I read is SAVAGE HULK.
My assessment of Savage Hulk not being 100 ton is right on the spot, as Savage Hulk is not Green Scar
You might think I am "lowballing" the Hulk, but that might be because on your opinion "Base Savage Hulk" can lift 150 billion tons, Professor Hulk can "One shot" Video game Doomsday, and WWH can melt "High heralds" and is "skyfather level"
You see, I am not "lowballing" the Hulk like you claim. But based on your perception of how you see the Hulk, of course you will think I am "lowballing" the Hulk.
You can keep those stats, I know you will use them for your future debates, like you have used my previous post of Mindless Hulk and Banner less Hulk, no need to thank me.
Oh and LOL at Savage Hulk being = to Doomsday.