Originally posted by Rao Kal El
That is shown on comics. If you have read from TTA to hulk 200 ar least , then you will know the ourage comes from claiming that hulk starts off at base level of 150 billion tons.No one is denying his dynamic strength, just stating a fact with his base level at savage hulk and if you know more than leaders lair about hulk, please give me your website.
I don't have a website yet.lol
Everyone of us here knows as much or even more about the Hulk than leader's lair. Believe me, I visit that site. Hulk is almost never in a functionally calm state as his transformations are generally triggered by rage which is very often carried out into his Hulk form. The only Hulk I know that had probably experienced extended periods of calm was Professor Hulk and the grey Hulk and they both consistently displayed strength above the class 100 ton class.
My point is that the base level Hulk thing hasn't been applied consistently in the comics and hasn't been seen in ages.
In the past, Hulk was knocked out by guys like Iron man but in their recent fight, Hulk was tearing into Iron man immediately he changed (and I believe that Iron man is low class 100 now).
Suffice to say, the current Hulk (probably since Peter David's second run on the book) is easily class 100 immediately he changes.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Yes. Your comparing Hulk to Doomsday was yet another indication.I mean, if you don't read them that's fine. You don't have to read anything you don't want to. Just don't like it when people say one thing and do another, is all.
Don't see the difference between both characters besides containment.
Both can amp off rage (Hulk is better in this dept).
Both can adapt (even though DD is better in this dept).
Both have healing factors.
Both have super speed (even though DD is arguably better in this dept).
Both leap thousands of fts in the air.
Doomsday IS Hulk.
Originally posted by carver9
Don't see the difference between both characters besides containment.Both can amp off rage (Hulk is better in this dept).
Both can adapt (even though DD is better in this dept).
Both have healing factors.
Both have super speed (even though DD is arguably better in this dept).
Both leap thousands of fts in the air.Doomsday IS Hulk.
Hulk is Doomsday minus the kryptonite in his bones.
Originally posted by carver9
Don't see the difference between both characters besides containment.Both can amp off rage (Hulk is better in this dept).
Both can adapt (even though DD is better in this dept).
Both have healing factors.
Both have super speed (even though DD is arguably better in this dept).
Both leap thousands of fts in the air.Doomsday IS Hulk.
2- the only way hulk adapts is by getting stronger and healing factor gets better. He doesn't adapt or evolve like DD.
3 - both do have healing factors, but doomsday has invulnerability on top of it.
Hulks healing factor is what makes him invulnerable. He heals instantly from cuts sometimes faster than a knife can cut.
DD has kryptonian level durability and freakish hulk level healing factor. The one time superman was able to cut his arm it reconnected tissue/muscle and healed right away.
4 and 5 I agree with. Hulk uses his strength/leg muscles to run fast.
I really have a different opinion of superspeed.
Yeah leg muscles can help you run fast and even turn pages in a book but can the hulk use his superspeed to read the book? If not then he doesn't have superspeed. He's just fast.
Originally posted by Diesldude
1- doomsday doesn't get stronger with anger. He is mad with anger already but his powers don't work like the hulks.2- the only way hulk adapts is by getting stronger and healing factor gets better. He doesn't adapt or evolve like DD.
3 - both do have healing factors, but doomsday has invulnerability on top of it.
Hulks healing factor is what makes him invulnerable. He heals instantly from cuts sometimes faster than a knife can cut.DD has kryptonian level durability and freakish hulk level healing factor. The one time superman was able to cut his arm it reconnected tissue/muscle and healed right away.
4 and 5 I agree with. Hulk uses his strength/leg muscles to run fast.
I really have a different opinion of superspeed.
Yeah leg muscles can help you run fast and even turn pages in a book but can the hulk use his superspeed to read the book? If not then he doesn't have superspeed. He's just fast.
Superman is stronger and faster from on panel feats.
Doomsday has thousands of years of evolution on Superman and the Hulk, he's in a metabrick league of his own. He has no organs, no weak-spots down to the molecule, infinite stamina, infinite endurance, all kinds of hacks that the Hulk or Superman doesn't that more than compensate for an exponential rage to strength ratio like the Hulk (such is his infinite stamina and endurance: the ability to drain Superman's cellular reserves of solar energy until he goes into a coma - and yet Superman is STILL physically able to KILL Doomsday by smashing his bones).
Superman was overpowering Doomsday the entire fight despite losing energy, and Doomsday was completely unharmed the whole time.
Superman can read at superspeeds, he can also take down an opponent with cool precision at superspeeds. His Krytponian Martial Art, combined with his microscopic vision and super-perception would allow him to cripple an opponent instantly, he could at least knock the Hulk unconscious like Thor has so many times. He'd have to kill WWH zone Hulk before he'd go down, he's not getting knocked like a typical Hulk. Superman is fully capable of blitzing the Hulk.
This is taking into consideration Superman's superior strength, speed, skill, and deductive capabilities. In a slug fest the Hulk's rage and regeneration will win the day.
DD vs Hulk
Strength - both have dynamic strengh, DD starts out stronger imho but they will end at the same level.
Speed Movement - Hulk can run fast, not as fast as Quicksilver ^^ but DD is faster.
Speed Reaction - DD by far.
Endurance - both are pretty Equal.
HF - Equals.
Invulnerability - DD by far.
Fighting Skills - DD is born to fight...
DD has his bones for an extra edge and his ability to adapt. He is the superior Hulk.
Superman vs Hulk
Strength - both have dynamic strengh, both can reach the same level in the end
Speed Movement - Light speed vs below sonic level...
Speed Reaction - Superman easy.
Endurance - toss up.
HF - Hulk.
Invulnerability - Superman by far.
Fighting Skills - Superman by far.
Superman is also more intelligent, better trained and has his HV and other abilities.
What I don't understand. The Hulk is the strongest one there is in MARVEL, Superman is the strongest one there is in DC. Both are considered the Hero Embodiment of strength in their respective Universes. Ask someone who is the strongest in marvel, he says the Hulk, ask who is the strongest in DC, he says it's Superman. Sure both get overpowered from time to time but all in all, when it comes to raw strength, both are equals. Superman does things other Kryptonians or heroes can't, when everything is at stake, the same is true for Hulk. So no. When you say Superman is weaker then Hulk, it's lowballing and vice versa. Superman has better strength feats, sure but their portrayal is similar.
Superman in a slugfest splits, 1 hit traded for another. With speed and skill, he wins every fight in a forum setting.
The most important part is, which versions. WBH would stomp Byrne Superman so you have to take OWAW or FC Superman for this statement to be true.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
DD vs HulkStrength - both have dynamic strengh, DD starts out stronger imho but they will end at the same level.
Speed Movement - Hulk can run fast, not as fast as Quicksilver ^^ but DD is faster.
Speed Reaction - DD by far.
Endurance - both are pretty Equal.
HF - Equals.
Invulnerability - DD by far.
Fighting Skills - DD is born to fight...
DD has his bones for an extra edge and his ability to adapt. He is the superior Hulk.Superman vs Hulk
Strength - both have dynamic strengh, both can reach the same level in the end
Speed Movement - Light speed vs below sonic level...
Speed Reaction - Superman easy.
Endurance - toss up.
HF - Hulk.
Invulnerability - Superman by far.
Fighting Skills - Superman by far.
Superman is also more intelligent, better trained and has his HV and other abilities.What I don't understand. The Hulk is the strongest one there is in MARVEL, Superman is the strongest one there is in DC. Both are considered the Hero Embodiment of strength in their respective Universes. Ask someone who is the strongest in marvel, he says the Hulk, ask who is the strongest in DC, he says it's Superman. Sure both get overpowered from time to time but all in all, when it comes to raw strength, both are equals. Superman does things other Kryptonians or heroes can't, when everything is at stake, the same is true for Hulk. So no. When you say Superman is weaker then Hulk, it's lowballing and vice versa. Superman has better strength feats, sure but their portrayal is similar.
Superman in a slugfest splits, 1 hit traded for another. With speed and skill, he wins every fight in a forum setting.
The most important part is, which versions. WBH would stomp Byrne Superman so you have to take OWAW or FC Superman for this statement to be true.
Superman is just portrayed as numero uno, he is the one who started the superhero thing after all.
Written by two orphans who grew up in the slums, he's the macho man of comics. That is perhaps the reason for him being a ***** to mess with in the feats department.
However, Superman is just a superhero archetype, Marvel has far more cosmics like Galactus than DC that Superman couldn't mess with despite his history giving him significance as the recognized #1 hero.
Originally posted by carver9
Don't see the difference between both characters besides containment.Both can amp off rage (Hulk is better in this dept).
Both can adapt (even though DD is better in this dept).
Both have healing factors.
Both have super speed (even though DD is arguably better in this dept).
Both leap thousands of fts in the air.Doomsday IS Hulk.
No, he isn't, and besides, the comparison you just made, I could insert two or three other characters in to Hulk's place.
I'm talking about your comparison a couple of pages back, about how Hulk and Doomsday are in one bracket and Thor and Superman are in another. That's why I doubt you read Hulk, because Hulk is more like Superman than he'll ever be like Doomsday, except on a superficial level.
Hulk is in the same bracket as Superman and Thor. I know it might hurt to hear this, but any (real) Hulk fan knows better.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Not at all. Want to compare feats? Quantifiable and not shit like world-engine or punching time-storms though.
The world engine is unquantifiable now? Forget its connection the nine worlds, in and of itself it's still freaking huge and a very impressive strength feat in Thor's book.
If you want sure.