Superman VS Marvel: Slugfest Gauntlet

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
By their portrayal they are peers. In comics, Thor, Superman and Hulk are the icons of strength. In their "official" (not on KMC though) DC vs Marvel, they also were shown to be physical peers. That's enough for me to place them at the same level.
Hulk can increase his strength with rage.
Superman can increase his strength by need, not holding back anymore.
Thor can increase his strength too, with WM.

They all have lows and highs. Sure Supes has the best strength feats out there but how they are portrayed when interacting with each other is also important.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
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Originally posted by h1a8
Since you are going be how they are portrayed when they engaged and not so much by feats then
Superman is shown to be physically superior to Thor went they met. He basically palmed Thor's hammer with one hand and one shotted him.

This was a battle, where they used all their abilities and took damage. This is how they were portrayed while testing their raw strength only:

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Originally posted by -Pr-
"base level" Hulk is a misnomer. He starts off as a full high herald.

Then that's his base. Base simply means where he starts at. It doesn't mean anything else and thus can't be a misnomer in itself. Now some will falsely think that Hulk starts far under high herald level in strength as his base. That is a misnomer there.

Imo I say hulk starts around hercules level since hercules and hercules level beings can engage him physically for an extented period of time before hulk gets stronger.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
This was a battle, where they used all their abilities and took damage. This is how they were portrayed while testing their raw strength:

iow peers

lol that's bs right there. You should know better than that. Obviously different writers believe different things.
If they are peers then why did Superman palm the shit out of Mjolnir like it was nothing and one shot Thor with ease while his ass was sitting on the ground (0 ass leverage ko right there)? That doesn't sound like peers to me.

If feats and other portrayals (which constitute a majority) disagree or contradicts that one showing then why champion that one showing?

Herc DC and Marvel has engaged Hulk, Superman, and Thor in combat. What does that have to do with anything? They are peers like most in here are saying and Hulk strength starts out at high Herald like Pr said...don't get what's so hard to comprehend. There isn't a single showing proving Hulk is below HH strength during the beginning of his transformation. After that, once his anger starts fueling, that's when the test starts. I think Superman is stronger than Thor but not by much. Hulk is stronger than both of them.

@ABHI...

If you are going to use crossovers, make sure you are ready for people to share the love on some stuff to counter your argument, especially using a fans voted battle.

Originally posted by carver9
Herc DC and Marvel has engaged Hulk, Superman, and Thor in combat. What does that have to do with anything? They are peers like most in here are saying and Hulk strength starts out at high Herald like Pr said...don't get what's so hard to comprehend. There isn't a single showing proving Hulk is below HH strength during the beginning of his transformation. After that, once his anger starts fueling, that's when the test starts. I think Superman is stronger than Thor but not by much. Hulk is stronger than both of them.

@ABHI...

If you are going to use crossovers, make sure you are ready for people to share the love on some stuff to counter your argument, especially using a fans voted battle.

High heralds have different degrees of strength ranging from tens of thousands of tons to multiple planetary strength.

Hulk definitely starts far weaker than Superman. But Hulk can reach and surpass even Superman in strength.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
This was a battle, where they used all their abilities and took damage. This is how they were portrayed while testing their raw strength only:

iow peers

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Did you just used a deviant art sketch as proof? Which peer palms another peer's hammer strike BTW?

Originally posted by carver9
Herc DC and Marvel has engaged Hulk, Superman, and Thor in combat. What does that have to do with anything? They are peers like most in here are saying and Hulk strength starts out at high Herald like Pr said...don't get what's so hard to comprehend. There isn't a single showing proving Hulk is below HH strength during the beginning of his transformation. After that, once his anger starts fueling, that's when the test starts. I think Superman is stronger than Thor but not by much. Hulk is stronger than both of them.

@ABHI...

If you are going to use crossovers, make sure you are ready for people to share the love on some stuff to counter your argument, especially using a fans voted battle.

I'm talking about canon crossovers. Fan voted or not, it was a canon crossover.

Originally posted by h1a8
Just because one has high herald level strength doesn't mean he/she is a peer to another high herald in strength.

High heralds have different degrees of strength ranging from tens of thousands of tons to multiple planetary strength.

Hulk definitely starts far weaker than Superman. But Hulk can reach and surpass even Superman in strength.

No, he doesn't. He starts off at a reasonably high Savage Hulk level, which is in the same ballpark as Superman and Thor, and above the likes of Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Wonderman, etc.

It should also be noted that Namor was able to tango with The Sentry. He's hardly the weakling that many may think he is.

Originally posted by abhilegend
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Did you just used a deviant art sketch as proof? Which peer palms another peer's hammer strike BTW?
Around three dozen fights with namor say otherwise.

I'm talking about canon crossovers. Fan voted or not, it was a canon crossover.

There you go lowballing (well, trying to) again. I don't how you get away with this crap.

When did Hulk and Superman fight in a canon crossover minus the voted one?

Originally posted by Stoic
It should also be noted that Namor was able to tango with The Sentry. He's hardly the weakling that many may think he is.

He's using classic fts...not the stuff where Namor recently say he can't hang with Hulk and would get killed.

Originally posted by carver9
There you go lowballing (well, trying to) again. I don't how you get away with this crap.

When did Hulk and Superman fight in a canon crossover minus the voted one?

That's the one which was canon. Just because it was fan voted doesn't means anything. Aquaman and namor fought like that too and it was clear that namor was far more powerful. If writers wanted to show hulk's superiority in strength, they would've shown it. It was written by PAD after all.

Originally posted by carver9
He's using classic fts...not the stuff where Namor recently say he can't hang with Hulk and would get killed.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Hulk isn't stronger as Supes at first, I agree, but he will come to this level before he gets down, because of his HF. Superman has something Hulk doesn't, invulnerability and his HF isn't bad either. Except of this, Superman's strength is dynamic, he gets stronger if he needs to. He is holding back for a reason.

Thor is most likely as strong as Superman, his invunlerabilty isn't just on the same level. He is tough enough, though.

And yes, Supermans biggest advantage is his speed, take it away and they split with him. Thor might even win a majority because of Mjolnirs hits.

We don't see to eye to eye on this one. 😛

I love Thor and I hate the way he's being treated 'round town, and I DO think that he's Superman's equal. That being said, I never had him down as equal to Superman in anything but durability. And in my world that makes perfect sense. How can they be equals if they're physical equals and Thor has all of his other exotic powers? 🙂

Superman always had a fairly strong edge (even though Thor can compete physically for a little while), and Thor has a very strong edge when it comes to energy output and such. I also think that Superman can take heat-vision and energy absorption pretty far, but it's always been the point where Thor really has him beat for me.

As far as Hulk goes, I'm put out by this idea that he's somehow in Thor and Superman's league without building up a sizable amount of rage first. I think you misjudge how much his strength grows. He's not much stronger than any regular class 100 before he starts really building rage. His strength doubles and grows a hundredfold and a thousandfold.

Unfortunately it doesn't grow a millionfold and let him become stronger than Superman 😎

Originally posted by -Pr-
No, he doesn't. He starts off at a reasonably high Savage Hulk level, which is in the same ballpark as Superman and Thor, and above the likes of Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Wonderman, etc.

How can you believe that Savage Hulk starts off in Superman and Thor's class? What does this say about the dozens of other low-level people who have fought the Hulk at that level? Can't exactly claim that he was holding back considering he's the Hulk 😛

Originally posted by -Pr-
No, he doesn't. He starts off at a reasonably high Savage Hulk level, which is in the same ballpark as Superman and Thor, and above the likes of Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Wonderman, etc.

Also Thor and Superman are not in the same ballpark, not even close. I haven't read a lot of current Hulk, a little though. Last I remember is that can go from Banner to world breaker levels instantly. If that's the case then he can actually start above Superman if he wanted to.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Namor stalemating hulk more than a dozen times isn't lowballing, its just the way it is.

That's the one which was canon. Just because it was fan voted doesn't means anything. Aquaman and namor fought like that too and it was clear that namor was far more powerful. If writers wanted to show hulk's superiority in strength, they would've shown it. It was written by PAD after all.
Where did he say that? Not in WWH I presume? I am not talking about WWH or WBH here, its savage hulk and merged hulk since they are the most common personalities of hulk.

Which again, doesn't help your case. Herc overwhelming Superman doesn't put Superman strength down a notch. Namor doing well against most if not all top tiers doesn't discredit Hulk either, it tells you how powerful Namor is. Wonder Woman did well against an enraged Superman that wasnt pulling his power and Hulk is stronger than her. Superman admitted he couldn't move Adam out of the city and Adam was holding back (whereas Superman was going all out). Orion has stalemated Supes and done well against a sun amped Supes.

Originally posted by abhilegend
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Did you just used a deviant art sketch as proof? Which peer palms another peer's hammer strike BTW?
Around three dozen fights with namor say otherwise.

I'm talking about canon crossovers. Fan voted or not, it was a canon crossover.

My bad, you are right, I though this was from JLA/Avengers. I remembered it wrong, WW and WM armwrestled there.

The palm feat was at the end of the fight, after Thor took a full HV blast, beofre that, the first blows they traded, they looked pretty even.

Originally posted by curryman
We don't see to eye to eye on this one. 😛

I love Thor and I hate the way he's being treated 'round town, and I DO think that he's Superman's equal. That being said, I never had him down as equal to Superman in anything but durability. And in my world that makes perfect sense. How can they be equals if they're physical equals and Thor has all of his other exotic powers? 🙂

Superman always had a fairly strong edge (even though Thor can compete physically for a little while), and Thor has a very strong edge when it comes to energy output and such. I also think that Superman can take heat-vision and energy absorption pretty far, but it's always been the point where Thor really has him beat for me.

As far as Hulk goes, I'm put out by this idea that he's somehow in Thor and Superman's league without building up a sizable amount of rage first. I think you misjudge how much his strength grows. He's not much stronger than any regular class 100 before he starts really building rage. His strength doubles and grows a hundredfold and a thousandfold.

Unfortunately it doesn't grow a millionfold and let him become stronger than Superman 😎

How can you believe that Savage Hulk starts off in Superman and Thor's class? What does this say about the dozens of other low-level people who have fought the Hulk at that level? Can't exactly claim that he was holding back considering he's the Hulk 😛

For me they are equals in strength, durability. Thor has his exotic powes, Superman has his superior speed, HV and other abilities too. Except of this, his invunlerability is better imho.

There we agree. Hulk at the beginning is Class 100, though he gets stronger with rage so does Thor when pushed or Superman when he stops holding back. In the end, neither should be significantly stronger then the other.

Originally posted by carver9
Which again, doesn't help your case. Herc overwhelming Superman doesn't put Superman strength down a notch. Namor doing well against most if not all top tiers doesn't discredit Hulk either, it tells you how powerful Namor is. Wonder Woman did well against an enraged Superman that wasnt pulling his power and Hulk is stronger than her. Superman admitted he couldn't move Adam out of the city and Adam was holding back (whereas Superman was going all out). Orion has stalemated Supes and done well against a sun amped Supes.

Originally posted by carver9
Which again, doesn't help your case. Herc overwhelming Superman doesn't put Superman strength down a notch. Namor doing well against most if not all top tiers doesn't discredit Hulk either, it tells you how powerful Namor is. Wonder Woman did well against an enraged Superman that wasnt pulling his power and Hulk is stronger than her. Superman admitted he couldn't move Adam out of the city and Adam was holding back (whereas Superman was going all out). Orion has stalemated Supes and done well against a sun amped Supes.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
My bad, you are right, I though this was from JLA/Avengers. I remembered it wrong, WW and WM armwrestled there.

The palm feat was at the end of the fight, after Thor took a full HV blast, beofre that, the first blows they traded, they looked pretty even.

Thats ok 😄

For me they are equals in strength, durability. Thor has his exotic powes, Superman has his superior speed, HV and other abilities too. Except of this, his invunlerability is better imho.

There we agree. Hulk at the beginning is Class 100, though he gets stronger with rage so does Thor when pushed or Superman when he stops holding back. In the end, neither should be significantly stronger then the other.

Thor tanking HV doesn't mean his strength dropped. That's just your speculation, on panel Thor was surprised that superman stopped his all out attack. Punching someone while he punches you doesn't mean you are equal to them. Superman has done that to PC superman, PC superboy, PC Mon-El, SBP, Time-Trapper SBP, Despero and a lot of other characters. Means nothing. Also Thor is most certainly not equal to superman in ANY physical attribute. Stop this nonsense. "Should be" isn't a valid reason here. Superman and hulk are always going to be stronger than thor just like flash is going to be always faster than superman. Its just the way it is.

Only person Superman isn't beating is Hulk. Assuming this is the current version of Hyperion he needs more appearances and doesn't belong here.