Braniac wants Kara kept away from the serum because the secret ingredient he needed to procure for the antitoxin happened to be kryptonite.
What's noteworthy here is not merely that Mon-el, thought by Cosmic Boy to be stronger than Supergirl, is not able to overcome Kara,
what's noteworthy is that Kara actually gets demonstrably, physically STRONGER as the fight progresses.
Proof? Unable to destroy the shields imprisoning herself and her friends earlier with a focused punch, she is able to do that and more DESPITE THE RESISTANCE OF ANOTHER SUPERBEING, and not by punching, but by merely TACKLING her opponent through the barrier!
Impressive, regardless of HOW you look at it ...
I'm not going to be replying much to this thread from this point on (at least, that's my intention). Just want to make a few things clear.
I don't dislike Supergirl in the slightest. Like I said, my brother is a Supergirl nut, and I would always read his comics once he was done with them. I wasn't a huge fan of the Legion arc, but it was a decent read, so it's all good.
What I don't like is Matt Idelson's agenda, so nothing made me happier than when he left the Superman book as Lobdell came on board.
I think Supergirl is a low to mid herald. Just below the likes of Wonder Woman, but strong enough that she can hurt Diana and even a standard Clark if she was pushed far enough.
Why do I think Bill would win? The truth is, like I've said, my knowledge of Bill isn't as extensive as it is of Kara. From what I have seen of Bill, though, be it planet busting, fighting Surfer, and going up against Thor, he's a solid mid-herald, around the same level as Wonder Woman if not slightly above (though I would give Diana a split against him). His energy projection and magical abilities tip the scales too far for me to side with Kara, though by no means is it going to be an easy fight.
One other thing:
The Ultraman that Supergirl fought isn't the same Ultraman from Trinity. I can't believe I forgot about that. The Ultraman in that Kandor arc was the pre-crisis Ultraman, not the 1999 one reinvented by Grant Morrison, which WAS the one that was in Trinity. Their feats aren't interchangeable.
If people don't agree with my reasoning, that's cool. Opinions/variety being the spice of life and all.
Originally posted by -Pr-
I'm not going to be replying much to this thread from this point on (at least, that's my intention). Just want to make a few things clear.I don't dislike Supergirl in the slightest. Like I said, my brother is a Supergirl nut, and I would always read his comics once he was done with them. I wasn't a huge fan of the Legion arc, but it was a decent read, so it's all good.
What I don't like is Matt Idelson's agenda, so nothing made me happier than when he left the Superman book as Lobdell came on board.
I think Supergirl is a low to mid herald. Just below the likes of Wonder Woman, but strong enough that she can hurt Diana and even a standard Clark if she was pushed far enough.
Why do I think Bill would win? The truth is, like I've said, my knowledge of Bill isn't as extensive as it is of Kara. From what I have seen of Bill, though, be it planet busting, fighting Surfer, and going up against Thor, he's a solid mid-herald, around the same level as Wonder Woman if not slightly above (though I would give Diana a split against him). His energy projection and magical abilities tip the scales too far for me to side with Kara, though by no means is it going to be an easy fight.
One other thing:
The Ultraman that Supergirl fought isn't the same Ultraman from Trinity. I can't believe I forgot about that. The Ultraman in that Kandor arc was the pre-crisis Ultraman, not the 1999 one reinvented by Grant Morrison, which WAS the one that was in Trinity. Their feats aren't interchangeable.
If people don't agree with my reasoning, that's cool. Opinions/variety being the spice of life and all.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
😕This is definitely shaping into a very special sort of thread.
Certainly it has some of the most amazing and unexpected quotes from P.R. that I could have imagined.
Anyway, I notice Mon-el got a mention here.
I was going to show him as another Superman analog that Kara contended well with as a matter of course, so ...Actually, separate from the simple fact of the fight, which takes place in Legion of Super-Heroes #25, there is an impressive feat is accomplished during this fight. It's true that Mon-el was long regarded as superior to the world-moving Silver Age Superboy, but I'm not really interested in that; no firm way to prove or disprove Mon-el's strength relation to Superman in the day and age this took place in.
No, of far more interest is the mention of Inertron, for decades the hardest known metal in all of the DC Universe. I seem to remember, though I cannot be sure, there were some instances where even the powerful Kryptonians of the day could not bend the metal, at least beyond a certain threshhold thickness of it.
It was regarded at DC more or less the way primary adamantium is/was regarded at Marvel comics today.Well, in Legion25, the Legion unexpectedly finds themselves encountering an even MORE formidable barrier than THAT ...
the PC mon-el can move the world,but he no feats can prove it,in my point,pc mon-el just equal to a low level pc SUPERMAN,because a high level PC superman can lift entire universe weight,faster than infinity,survival big bang ,PC mon-el cant
Originally posted by a88378438
ok,bro,thor,bill,or Gladiator and drax destroy planet feats was very good,but this not logic can be quantization if a charater destroy planet so he can lift how much tons,sorry,logic doesn't work,and thor or bill lift-strength feats,they are not close to superman level,like i says,supergirl was superman level,It is a simple factCI'm not say destroy planet feats was weak feats,my point,we dont know thor or bill destroy planet need how much strength,unless marvel tell us,i dont care some logic,by the strength feats,thor,bill,drax,thanos,hulk(normal)etc cant move the earth,they are no feats can prove it
back the thread,maybe bill wins,because he has more energy power,and magic
Things you're saying are facts, aren't facts. It's your opinion and you're welcome to it.
Originally posted by -Pr-
I honestly read almost no pre crisis Superman stuff, so I wouldn't be the person to ask. If you try the Superman respect thread, someone there might be able to help you.
Originally posted by abhilegend
The Ultraman from Kandor arc wasn't PC ultraman, he was killed in COIE. That was Ultraman from Earth-3 which was created in Infinite crisis and he was again fighting Supergirl in Robinson's JLA. He has never fought Superman.
Ultraman in Kandor actually refers to the Crisis, though. Unless he was referring to Infinite Crisis, but I honestly got the impression he was talking about COIE.
I honestly got the impression that the Kandor one was separate from the IC one.
Originally posted by abhilegend
The Ultraman from Kandor arc wasn't PC ultraman, he was killed in COIE. That was Ultraman from Earth-3 which was created in Infinite crisis and he was again fighting Supergirl in Robinson's JLA. He has never fought Superman.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Ultraman in Kandor actually refers to the Crisis, though. Unless he was referring to Infinite Crisis, but I honestly got the impression he was talking about COIE.I honestly got the impression that the Kandor one was separate from the IC one.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Saturn Queen mentioned the "recent crisis" which was IC. PC ultraman was specifically erased in COIE.
I genuinely got the impression they were talking about COIE. I'll give it another read.
Either way, we both agree that they aren't the same one Superman fought, right?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Saturn Queen mentioned the "recent crisis" which was IC. PC ultraman was specifically erased in COIE.