Quan Chi vs. Shang Tsung

Originally posted by juggerman
How much time is needed to recover from a lighting attack intended to kill by a god? Especailly when considering that that same god held back against Kang and killed him(or damn near)? Quan Chi is more durable and stronger imo which accounts for him not being put on his ass as much. But iirc Quan was only able to push Raiden back a bit while Shang's blast sent him flying. And it was Shang's fire snake that put Raiden out.

A lot of context missing from that. Quan and Jax squared up. Quan went for a kick and got his leg messed up for his trouble. Then he retreated back a bit and opted to use magic instead since he couldn't compete physically. His attack was easily overcome with Jax saying something along the lines of "is that all you got?". It was made very clear Quan was losing to Jax and was saved by a "haymaker" throwing Kahn. He was also easily tossed off the pyramid by Shang.

Jax hit him in a battle that was all over the place. Quanchi wasn't beaten and after Jax talked trash Shao Kahn rocked him. It's that simple.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Shang drew power from the souls so it wasn't even from his own personal power. You speculate. The fight was fair and after both regained themselves. Shang had no nagging injuries and was beaten by Quanchi in fair combat.

Jax hit him in a battle that was all over the place. Quanchi wasn't beaten and after Jax talked trash Shao Kahn rocked him. It's that simple.

"He drew power" not "he healed himself". What exactly am i speculating? The fight was fair i'm not saying otherwise. I'm saying the fight was not at 100% and Shang took more of a beating.

Jax was winning. The battle was all over the place but it was clear that there were many 1 on 1 fights taking place. No one affected their fight until Kahn. He wasn't beaten but he was clearly losing. He was hobbling around and needed to summon help. While Shang on the other hand easily handled fighters well beyond the caliber of Jax in that same battle.

Originally posted by juggerman
"He drew power" not "he healed himself". What exactly am i speculating? The fight was fair i'm not saying otherwise. I'm saying the fight was not at 100% and Shang took more of a beating.

Jax was winning. The battle was all over the place but it was clear that there were many 1 on 1 fights taking place. No one affected their fight until Kahn. He wasn't beaten but he was clearly losing. He was hobbling around and needed to summon help. While Shang on the other hand easily handled fighters well beyond the caliber of Jax in that same battle.

Jax landed a strike or so. That's it. Quanchi won the battle against Shang. The whole point of this melee fight was showing guys hit each other in a mad dash to ascend to the top. None of these were conclusive or fair fights with each other. Shang had a better opportunity available to him and was still owned by Liu Kang even in zombified mode.

In a one on one fair fight Quan destroyed him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Quan Chi was hurt as well. Shang used power due to the time Quanchi bought him by hurting Raiden. Quanchi and Shang Tsung both recovered from their fight against Raiden. You have no proof Shang hadn't while Quanchi had.

Jax landed a strike or so. That's it. Quanchi won the battle against Shang. The whole point of this melee fight was showing guys hit each other in a mad dash to ascend to the top. None of these were conclusive or fair fights with each other. Shang had a better opportunity available to him and was still owned by Liu Kang even in zombified mode.

In a one on one fair fight Quan destroyed him.

I never said Quan Chi healed either. They were both weakened from the fight yet we see Shang Tsung take much more punishment due to Raiden seeming to single him out more.

Jax landed a very decisive blow which made Quan Chi limp away. Then Quan Chi opted not to face him physically and "hid" behind his summoned fighters. He also got his ass beat by Scorpion several times in the Netherrealm and needed to enlist the Onis for aid. And let's not forget the Amulet amps him.

Shang on the other hand had a pretty clear advantage over Shao Kahn(the main boss and one of the most powerful baddies) and completely destroyed Liu Kang(probably the best fighter in the series to date besides maybe Raiden and other gods). He also one shotted Mileena and Shujinko(who iirc single handedly took out Onaga at his peak in power). I think you need to watch the video again cuz Kang didn't land a hit on him until Shang had already been fighting off others and was near the top with his back turned.

This last part you don't really have to respond to if you don't want to since there will be a lot of speculation:

Are you sure Quan Chi really defeated Shang Tsung? I mean it was narrated by Shujinko, a man easily decieved. And Shang is the type to play possum. He could have been trying to trick Chi but then had to give up the act when the monster came thru. Look at how fast he got back up and was able to easily match Chi's output. And also how would Shujinko even know that's how it went down in the first place? He wasn't even there and i doubt these guys sat down and had a friendly chat somewhere. How can we trust second hand information from this guy at all? /rant

Originally posted by juggerman
I never said Quan Chi healed either. They were both weakened from the fight yet we see Shang Tsung take much more punishment due to Raiden seeming to single him out more.

Jax landed a very decisive blow which made Quan Chi limp away. Then Quan Chi opted not to face him physically and "hid" behind his summoned fighters. He also got his ass beat by Scorpion several times in the Netherrealm and needed to enlist the Onis for aid. And let's not forget the Amulet amps him.

Shang on the other hand had a pretty clear advantage over Shao Kahn(the main boss and one of the most powerful baddies) and completely destroyed Liu Kang(probably the best fighter in the series to date besides maybe Raiden and other gods). He also one shotted Mileena and Shujinko(who iirc single handedly took out Onaga at his peak in power). I think you need to watch the video again cuz Kang didn't land a hit on him until Shang had already been fighting off others and was near the top with his back turned.

This last part you don't really have to respond to if you don't want to since there will be a lot of speculation:

Are you sure Quan Chi really defeated Shang Tsung? I mean it was narrated by Shujinko, a man easily decieved. And Shang is the type to play possum. He could have been trying to trick Chi but then had to give up the act when the monster came thru. Look at how fast he got back up and was able to easily match Chi's output. And also how would Shujinko even know that's how it went down in the first place? He wasn't even there and i doubt these guys sat down and had a friendly chat somewhere. How can we trust second hand information from this guy at all? /rant

Both had recovered. Quan Chi crushed him. The amulet is in his standard powerset unlike the soulnado which was conveniently right there to use against Raiden.

Why wouldn't he buy himself some time ? We later see Quanchi take out Kenshi and appear fine. Quanchi is an effective/smart fighter. it would have been stupid to let Jax attack him at this moment. That was due to Scorpion being basically unkillable there. Quanchi did what was necessary and he benefited from it. The deadly alliance was made possible mainly by Quanchi's discovery not Shang. Quanchi is by far the greatest sorcerer which was utter by John Vogel as well.

Shang hit him. Shao Kahn was taken away by Onaga. Shao Kahn owns Shang and to suggest he'd beat him is ridiculous. Shao Kahn also won the stinkin battle. Shang didn't beat Liu Kang and despite being a slower zombie he was still stopped by Liu Kang.

The video is canon. Sure he was tricked by the opening narrative is a fact. That's how the events played out. Quanchi beat him. So now you are saying Shujinko just guessed as to what happened ? Oh dearrrr.

For a fight between two sorcerer's that fight sure lacked any sorcery.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, Raiden didn't single him out more his attacks just were more effective against the weaker Shang.

Both had recovered. Quan Chi crushed him. The amulet is in his standard powerset unlike the soulnado which was conveniently right there to use against Raiden.

Why wouldn't he buy himself some time ? We later see Quanchi take out Kenshi and appear fine. Quanchi is an effective/smart fighter. it would have been stupid to let Jax attack him at this moment. That was due to Scorpion being basically unkillable there. Quanchi did what was necessary and he benefited from it. The deadly alliance was made possible mainly by Quanchi's discovery not Shang. Quanchi is by far the greatest sorcerer which was utter by John Vogel as well.

Shang hit him. Shao Kahn was taken away by Onaga. Shao Kahn owns Shang and to suggest he'd beat him is ridiculous. Shao Kahn also won the stinkin battle. Shang didn't beat Liu Kang and despite being a slower zombie he was still stopped by Liu Kang.

The video is canon. Sure he was tricked by the opening narrative is a fact. That's how the events played out. Quanchi beat him. So now you are saying Shujinko just guessed as to what happened ? Oh dearrrr.

He didn't have them both on the ground and decided to shock Shang?

It is in his standard powerset just pointing out he needs an amp to compete.

He's supposed to be this great fighter yet he couldn't even take Jax. Yeah he popped up later after having time to lick his wounds but the fact remains he couldn't take him by himself. You are right about Scorpion being unkillable but he was not undefeatable as proven by Sub Zero. The fact that Quan NEEDED Shang is in itself a testament to his inability to do what Shang can. Link please?

He ons Shang’s soul. Does not mean he is a better fighter. Kahn tried to hit him and was easily evaded and countered. Kahn was left stumbling backwards before being taken. What happened after that is unknown so him winning doesn’t mean he was the best fighter. Shang did beat Kang. Re-watch the video and you’ll see. They squared up and Shang easily bested him. Then after Tsung one shotted some people Kang grabbed him from behind with the hooks.

I know it is but it’s suspect imo for the reasons I mentioned. The MKDA video is canon too yet Kahn was alive after Raiden believed him to die at the team’s hands. There are also many canon deaths in MK yet everybody returned in the final battle in MKA, most without any explanation. Just saying it’s stupid for it to be in the view of someone who wasn’t even there and would really have no clue as to what happened. Andyway this part wasn’t really that important I just wanted to gripe about it

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
For a fight between two sorcerer's that fight sure lacked any sorcery.

Possibly because they were pretty drained after thawrting a god?

Originally posted by juggerman
Possibly because they were pretty drained after thawrting a god?

They didn't seem to have any trouble using magic on Onaga soon afterwards though.

True but at that point they were probably pretty desperate seeing as how they knew who he was. They were also alot closer to eachother then they were to Onaga so it could have been easier and faster to just throw a punch. Idk tho you do have a good point

Originally posted by juggerman
How much time is needed to recover from a lighting attack intended to kill by a god? Especailly when considering that that same god held back against Kang and killed him(or damn near)? Quan Chi is more durable and stronger imo which accounts for him not being put on his ass as much. But iirc Quan was only able to push Raiden back a bit while Shang's blast sent him flying. And it was Shang's fire snake that put Raiden out.

A lot of context missing from that. Quan and Jax squared up. Quan went for a kick and got his leg messed up for his trouble. Then he retreated back a bit and opted to use magic instead since he couldn't compete physically. His attack was easily overcome with Jax saying something along the lines of "is that all you got?". It was made very clear Quan was losing to Jax and was saved by a "haymaker" throwing Kahn. He was also easily tossed off the pyramid by Shang.

he was injured so he used his powers. That's allowed and considering Jax's arms are not flesh I can see why he'd do something like that. No, Jax hurt him and Quanchi bought himself more time. Jax was then dealt with by Shao Kahn. Quan chi didn't lose to him. Shang was clearly beaten by Quan Chi. Fact.

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
For a fight between two sorcerer's that fight sure lacked any sorcery.

Originally posted by quanchi112
They used it prior to their one on one battle against Raiden. Their battle was pure fistacuffs.

So no proof of Quan Chi beating Shang if they both use magic? Concession accepted.

g_grin

Originally posted by quanchi112
We see all of them recover from their attacks in time. I mean we see every single guy get up. Different showing and his attention being diverted on two foes obviously helped. I agree he is more durable and is stronger. Quan Chi set him up in the first place and the only reason the soulnado was there; amulet.

he was injured so he used his powers. That's allowed and considering Jax's arms are not flesh I can see why he'd do something like that. No, Jax hurt him and Quanchi bought himself more time. Jax was then dealt with by Shao Kahn. Quan chi didn't lose to him. Shang was clearly beaten by Quan Chi. Fact.

In the fight Shang took more of a beating and was never "healed". This proves he was not 100% when Quan Chi beat him. Then we see Shang take on and defeat/look superior to people above Quan's fighting prowess when he was 100%. Seems pretty clear that the reason he did so poorly was due to the beating he took from Raiden.

He was injured by Jax who is not a top teir MK fighter. Quan Chi needed to buy himself time and change his tactics(which didn't work at all) cuz he was losing. A weakened Shang was beaten by Quan Chi i agree. At peak Quan would lose.

Originally posted by Bentley
So no proof of Quan Chi beating Shang if they both use magic? Concession accepted.

g_grin

🙂

Originally posted by juggerman
In the fight Shang took more of a beating and was never "healed". This proves he was not 100% when Quan Chi beat him. Then we see Shang take on and defeat/look superior to people above Quan's fighting prowess when he was 100%. Seems pretty clear that the reason he did so poorly was due to the beating he took from Raiden.

He was injured by Jax who is not a top teir MK fighter. Quan Chi needed to buy himself time and change his tactics(which didn't work at all) cuz he was losing. A weakened Shang was beaten by Quan Chi i agree. At peak Quan would lose.

Abc logic. Shang also wasn't defeating anyone in the final video. He was knocking people off the pyramid in a mad dash to reach the top first. Everyone was just slugging each other at every chance they could do so. The point is Shao Kahn wasn't defeated by Onaga since we see him about to win the whole thing prior to Raiden sending a message to his past self to alter these events.

All of the mk fights can hurt each other. Quanchi wasn't defeated by Jax. You can pretend he was or that an mk fighter showing the strength to hurt the other proves something we knew already. Shang was dominated by Quanchi in a fair fight. No going around it.

So now Quanchi wasn't weakened either but just Shang. Oh brother. It doesn't even make sense any way you try to spin it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
They both took their licks. You are speculating Shang was more damaged while both had recovered and showed no signs of an injury for their fight.

Abc logic. Shang also wasn't defeating anyone in the final video. He was knocking people off the pyramid in a mad dash to reach the top first. Everyone was just slugging each other at every chance they could do so. The point is Shao Kahn wasn't defeated by Onaga since we see him about to win the whole thing prior to Raiden sending a message to his past self to alter these events.

All of the mk fights can hurt each other. Quanchi wasn't defeated by Jax. You can pretend he was or that an mk fighter showing the strength to hurt the other proves something we knew already. Shang was dominated by Quanchi in a fair fight. No going around it.

So now Quanchi wasn't weakened either but just Shang. Oh brother. It doesn't even make sense any way you try to spin it.

They did but as we see Shang took much more.

He clearly was. He and Liu squared off uniterrupted by anyone else. They fought with Shang being the clear superior of the two. Then Shang tossed him off the pyramid. He was the clear victor. The others can be argued that the fight didn't finish but he easily beat Kang. I never said Kahn was defeated, i said Shang easily avoided his attacks and easily countered him knocking him away. That's impressive no matter which way you slice it.

Quan was being beaten by Jax. No matter how you try to spin it Jax looked to be the superior of the two with Quan being "saved". Again the fight was not with them bth at 100%

I never said Quan wasn't weakened. I said Shang took more of a beting by Raiden meaning he was more hurt. Quan wasn't as hurt. We see what Shang is capable of at 100% and we see at 100% Quan has trouble with brawlers and his magic is easily overcome with mere punches. Shang would stomp Quan at full strength.

So no link to a MK developer praising Quan Chi then?

Originally posted by quanchi112
They used it prior to their one on one battle against Raiden. Their battle was pure fistacuffs.

Yes, a pure fistfight between two sorcerers. Not what I'd call a complete fight.

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Yes, a pure fistfight between two sorcerers. Not what I'd call a complete fight.

Yes there's also that

Originally posted by juggerman
Were was it shown that they were both fully healed? And keep in mind Shang took a fully concentrated lightning attack from Raiden who was trying to kill him. A holding back Raiden fried Liu Kang in 1.5 seconds.

Quan won but Shang was much more injured. Quan Chi was getting beat down by Jax and had to be saved by Shao Kahn! Jax is no match for the Shangster