Quan Chi vs. Shang Tsung

Originally posted by juggerman
They did but as we see Shang took much more.

He clearly was. He and Liu squared off uniterrupted by anyone else. They fought with Shang being the clear superior of the two. Then Shang tossed him off the pyramid. He was the clear victor. The others can be argued that the fight didn't finish but he easily beat Kang. I never said Kahn was defeated, i said Shang easily avoided his attacks and easily countered him knocking him away. That's impressive no matter which way you slice it.

Quan was being beaten by Jax. No matter how you try to spin it Jax looked to be the superior of the two with Quan being "saved". Again the fight was not with them bth at 100%

I never said Quan wasn't weakened. I said Shang took more of a beting by Raiden meaning he was more hurt. Quan wasn't as hurt. We see what Shang is capable of at 100% and we see at 100% Quan has trouble with brawlers and his magic is easily overcome with mere punches. Shang would stomp Quan at full strength.

So no link to a MK developer praising Quan Chi then?

Liu wasn't defeated as evidenced by his chains into Sahng right before he got to the top. This was also zombie Liu who was much less formidable than regular Liu who always had Shang's number until Quanchi assisted him.

It is impressive but again it was a giant melee. The only one who won in the end was Shao Kahn. That's who won.

Quan was hurt by one attack. He can be hurt by any Mk fighter just like anyone else. You trying to spin it around only makes Shang looks worse. The fight didn't conclude so you can pretend he beat Quan but it wasn't over. Jax got 86'd.

False. We see him hurt by Jax not beaten. According to you one attack means you practically beat the guy. LOL. You can try and spin the abc logic but it's clear that Quanchi beat Shang's ass. Both had recovered and both were injured. Raiden rocked Shang's weaker body than Quanchi. In a direct comparison Quan looked superior against Raiden and definitively beat Shang. If Jax hit Shang he'd probably go run and hide if it damaged a much stronger (you admitted this yourself) Quan than Shang. There is no comparison here but there is against Raiden.

Do you want the link where John Vogel says Quanchi is the greatest sorcerer in MK ? It was in the MK cards from one of the games for Quanchi. I can look and find it though but only if you will concede the debate.

Quan beat Shang one on one. Quan also fared better against raiden than Shang in a direct comparison.

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Yes, a pure fistfight between two sorcerers. Not what I'd call a complete fight.

Originally posted by Robtard
Juggerman wins. Fatality 👆

Originally posted by quanchi112
Neither used their abilities so it was a fair fight. People can't say a character should have done this and thus excuse the fight. The creators decided Quanchi is the better man. Plain and simple.

It was a fair fight, but it wasn't a complete fight. Two sorcerers fighting and not using one iota of sorcery... that's just underwhelming as a pair of saggy ****.

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
It was a fair fight, but it wasn't a complete fight. Two sorcerers fighting and not using one iota of sorcery... that's just underwhelming as a pair of saggy ****.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I love when you follow me into a thread.

Originally posted by Robtard
I love when you cry cos I make a post to someone else.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You show up on other sections of the board just to come at me. I am inside your head.

Because I don't debate in the All Versus forum? I was one of the first to post in here when it was converted. So you're lying again. Stop lying, okay?

Now instead of obsessing over humor post I make to other people that don't involve you, why don't you stop dodging and fail at countering Juggerman again.

Originally posted by Robtard
Because I don't debate in the All Versus forum? I was one of the first to post in here when it was converted. So you're lying again. Stop lying, okay?

Now instead of obsessing over humor post I make to other people that don't involve you, why don't you stop dodging and fail at countering Juggerman again.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You are a parasite you do know that. You just hide behind other posters.

I already dominated him.

/derp

Avoiding Jugger's post cos it crushed you and crying towards me over a post I made to someone else that didn't involve you as a means to continue avoiding him isn't "dominating" at all, it's something more akin to cowardice coupled with clownery. Do some more flips?

Originally posted by Robtard
/derp

Avoiding Jugger's post cos it crushed you and crying towards me over a post I made to someone else that didn't involve you as a means to continue avoiding him isn't "dominating" at all, it's something more akin to cowardice coupled with clownery. Do some more flips?

Originally posted by quanchi112
He had no point. Both sorcerers took on Raiden. Quan looked superior compared to Raiden than Shang did. Quan then beat shang's ass. The creators decided who is better and quan chi crushed him.

Repeating failed points to me that someone else already smashed only proves you were out debated. You're crying solely cos you really like Quan Chi more, go figure.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, they both fought Raiden and now you want to say one guy took more punches and act like this was a determining factor. Wrong. The fight occurred after both recovered. Raiden even recovers from Shang's giant attack after a while.

Liu wasn't defeated as evidenced by his chains into Sahng right before he got to the top. This was also zombie Liu who was much less formidable than regular Liu who always had Shang's number until Quanchi assisted him.

It is impressive but again it was a giant melee. The only one who won in the end was Shao Kahn. That's who won.

Quan was hurt by one attack. He can be hurt by any Mk fighter just like anyone else. You trying to spin it around only makes Shang looks worse. The fight didn't conclude so you can pretend he beat Quan but it wasn't over. Jax got 86'd.

False. We see him hurt by Jax not beaten. According to you one attack means you practically beat the guy. LOL. You can try and spin the abc logic but it's clear that Quanchi beat Shang's ass. Both had recovered and both were injured. Raiden rocked Shang's weaker body than Quanchi. In a direct comparison Quan looked superior against Raiden and definitively beat Shang. If Jax hit Shang he'd probably go run and hide if it damaged a much stronger (you admitted this yourself) Quan than Shang. There is no comparison here but there is against Raiden.

Do you want the link where John Vogel says Quanchi is the greatest sorcerer in MK ? It was in the MK cards from one of the games for Quanchi. I can look and find it though but only if you will concede the debate.

Quan beat Shang one on one. Quan also fared better against raiden than Shang in a direct comparison.

You’re kidding me right? If one person gets more of a beating in a fight and then fights again less than a minute later, you seriously don’t think that’ll effect anything at all? They fight occurred after both fighters got up and won. There was no indication that they were at full capacity. Fire snake put him down, I never said it killed him.

He was defeated. Defeated=/=dead or even KO’d. They fought and Shang easily bested him and continued his climb. Where was it stated the Kang was in some way inferior? Do I really need to list all the advantages the chains gave him? Or the undead body?

I never debated who won.

I never said Jax beat Quan. Stawman. I said Jax looked superior. And that Quan got hurt while Jax did not. He even powered thru the minions Quan had to hide behind. One attack can beat a guy, just like Kahn’s one attack was laying people down so again a failed strawman.

A direct comparison against Raiden means nothing really. This isn’t like math when one number has to be above or below another. Look at actual fights to compare. Frazier beat Ali then Foreman beat Frazier. With your extremely faulty logic that means Foreman should shazz on Ali right? Cuz they were both directly compared to Frazier with Foreman being superior yes? See how your stance falls apart? Fights vary and different people have different strengths and weaknesses. A good MK example of this is Liu Kang always beats the piss out of Kahn and Raiden seems to alway lose to Kahn yet Kang was no match Raiden. I have more if you need them.

If that’s the one you are referring to then yes. It doesn’t work that way toots. You made a claim so back it up. If you can’t or choose not to then concede the point.

Quan beat a Shang that was already beaten down pretty severely by Raiden. Again we see Raiden use his lightning against Liu Kang, in an attempt to restrain him, and it “killed” him. We see Raiden use his lightning against Shang Tsung, in an attempt to kill him, for a lot longer than he used it on Kang. I hardly think a few seconds while exerting himself to finally put Raiden out followed by 10 deep breaths is enough to be “recovered enough” to fight to his full potential. Face it, Quan won a tainted match.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I already dominated him.

No baby you are clearly the sub here

Originally posted by Robtard
Repeating failed points to me that someone else already smashed only proves you were out debated. You're crying solely cos you really like Quan Chi more, go figure.

Originally posted by juggerman
You’re kidding me right? If one person gets more of a beating in a fight and then fights again less than a minute later, you seriously don’t think that’ll effect anything at all? They fight occurred after both fighters got up and won. There was no indication that they were at full capacity. Fire snake put him down, I never said it killed him.

He was defeated. Defeated=/=dead or even KO’d. They fought and Shang easily bested him and continued his climb. Where was it stated the Kang was in some way inferior? Do I really need to list all the advantages the chains gave him? Or the undead body?

I never debated who won. [/B]

I never said Jax beat Quan. Stawman. I said Jax looked superior. And that Quan got hurt while Jax did not. He even powered thru the minions Quan had to hide behind. One attack can beat a guy, just like Kahn’s one attack was laying people down so again a failed strawman.

A direct comparison against Raiden means nothing really. This isn’t like math when one number has to be above or below another. Look at actual fights to compare. Frazier beat Ali then Foreman beat Frazier. With your extremely faulty logic that means Foreman should shazz on Ali right? Cuz they were both directly compared to Frazier with Foreman being superior yes? See how your stance falls apart? Fights vary and different people have different strengths and weaknesses. A good MK example of this is Liu Kang always beats the piss out of Kahn and Raiden seems to alway lose to Kahn yet Kang was no match Raiden. I have more if you need them. [/B]

If that’s the one you are referring to then yes. It doesn’t work that way toots. You made a claim so back it up. If you can’t or choose not to then concede the point.

Quan beat a Shang that was already beaten down pretty severely by Raiden. Again we see Raiden use his lightning against Liu Kang, in an attempt to restrain him, and it “killed” him. We see Raiden use his lightning against Shang Tsung, in an attempt to kill him, for a lot longer than he used it on Kang. I hardly think a few seconds while exerting himself to finally put Raiden out followed by 10 deep breaths is enough to be “recovered enough” to fight to his full potential. Face it, Quan won a tainted match.

No baby you are clearly the sub here [/B]

Both were injured and both had recovered. We also see Raiden hit Quanchi with lightning iirc. You want to ignore Quan being attacked.

A fair fight was had. Quan won. Accept it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
They both were hurt but Quanchi demonstrated he's obviously stronger than Shang by resisting Raiden's attacks better.

Quan wasn't attacked as much so of course he wasn't hurt as much. Plus Quan Chi is an Oni which are naturally stronger and more durable than humans.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Kang was not defeated. If he had been he wouldn't have been able to stop Shang from ascending.

He was defeated. He just came back later to sneak attack. One on one Kang lost and he lost horribly.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Jax hurt him. Quan held him at bay and Shao Kahn got involved. Giant melee. All this proves is Jax can hurt him which was already common knowledge.

Jax was winning almost effortlessly. The best thing Chi could think of was to hide behind minions and got lucky Kahn was there to save him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
What haven't I backed up ?

Your stance that Quan Chi was the most powerful sorcerer in the series as per the MK staff, or someone on the MK staff. But even if that is true this isn't a "who's the best sorcerer contest" is it? Wouldn't mean he'd win an all out 100% fight.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Both were injured and both had recovered. We also see Raiden hit Quanchi with lightning iirc. You want to ignore Quan being attacked.

I've ignored nothing. I've said numerous times that "Shang was hurt MORE". That clearly implies Quan was hurt as well just not as much. Watch the fight and you'll see Raiden shocks Quan Chi once quickly yet shocks Shang Tsung three time, two times were quick jolts to the back and chest respectively and the third time it was much longer and more focused.

Originally posted by quanchi112
A fair fight was had. Quan won. Accept it.

It was fair in the sense that it was one on one and there was no cheating. But it was not a fight where both parties were 100%. Quan had the huge advantage of being less hurt. Quan did win, but he won a tainted fight.

Originally posted by juggerman
Quan wasn't attacked as much so of course he wasn't hurt as much. Plus Quan Chi is an Oni which are naturally stronger and more durable than humans.

He was defeated. He just came back later to sneak attack. One on one Kang lost and he lost horribly.[/B]

Jax was winning almost effortlessly. The best thing Chi could think of was to hide behind minions and got lucky Kahn was there to save him.[/B]

Your stance that Quan Chi was the most powerful sorcerer in the series as per the MK staff, or someone on the MK staff. But even if that is true this isn't a "who's the best sorcerer contest" is it? Wouldn't mean he'd win an all out 100% fight.[/B]

I've ignored nothing. I've said numerous times that "Shang was hurt MORE". That clearly implies Quan was hurt as well just not as much. Watch the fight and you'll see Raiden shocks Quan Chi once quickly yet shocks Shang Tsung three time, two times were quick jolts to the back and chest respectively and the third time it was much longer and more focused.

It was fair in the sense that it was one on one and there was no cheating. But it was not a fight where both parties were 100%. Quan had the huge advantage of being less hurt. Quan did win, but he won a tainted fight. [/B]

Quanchi is the greatest sorcerer/more successful character/ and a better fighter one on one. Just let it go.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So you admit he's stronger and more durable. You are almost there.

I have since the beginning. There is no victory for you here.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I disagree. He was just lost on the pyramid and regained himself to prevent Shang Tsung from reaching the top first. Kang was a shell of himself at the time of the fight.

Agree to disagree then.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Speculation. Hurting someone isn't almost defeating them. Jax didn't defeat Quanchi whereas Quanchi definitely defeated Shang Tsung. You already admitted he's stronger and more durable. No, he wasn't lucky at all.

Is it speculation that Quan didn't land a single hit? Or that he was hurt while not hurting Jax? Or that he needed to attack from afar due to Jax having the upperhand in close combat? Or that Jax easily powered thru his attempts to have minions attack? Or that Kahn did what Quan Chi was unable to do during his fight with Jax which was put him down? I think not bucko

Originally posted by quanchi112
John Vogel said it. You already admitted Quan is stronger and more durable. If he's a better sorcerer along with being stronger and more durable what does that leave for Shang ? We already saw them fight with just their fighting abilities and Quan dominated him.

Then you should have no trouble showing me where/when he said it. But again it means very little since Quan Chi is also stronger and more durable than Liu Kang and is surely a more powerful sorcerer too yet he was beaten by Kang. Same holds true for Kung Lao, Nightwolf, Scorpion, and iirc Sub Zero(Bi Han). He can be stronger and more durable all he likes but he is not as skilled a fighter as Shang.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You have zero proof he was hurt more. The narration doesn't allude to that at all. You are speculating without any proof. We don't see any health damage meters to verify your claim. They both recovered. They challenged each other and Quanchi won. He reveled in his victory.

I have ample proof. He was attacked more. He was shown to be hurt more. He exerted himself more putting Raiden down. He's human while Quan is Oni. The narration may not say it but the video clearly shows it. Are you serious right now? Health meters are the only way for you to assess damage now? Guess you couldn't tell Liu Kang was more damaged than Raiden when they fought in 9 in the cutscene when Raiden "killed" him due to lack of meters. Or that Smoke was getting his ass whipped by Sektor in 9 due to lack of meters. /facepalm

Originally posted by quanchi112
Quanchi is the greatest sorcerer/more successful character/ and a better fighter one on one. Just let it go.

Nope.

Originally posted by juggerman
I have since the beginning. There is no victory for you here.

Agree to disagree then.

Is it speculation that Quan didn't land a single hit? Or that he was hurt while not hurting Jax? Or that he needed to attack from afar due to Jax having the upperhand in close combat? Or that Jax easily powered thru his attempts to have minions attack? Or that Kahn did what Quan Chi was unable to do during his fight with Jax which was put him down? I think not bucko [/B]

Then you should have no trouble showing me where/when he said it. But again it means very little since Quan Chi is also stronger and more durable than Liu Kang and is surely a more powerful sorcerer too yet he was beaten by Kang. Same holds true for Kung Lao, Nightwolf, Scorpion, and iirc Sub Zero(Bi Han). He can be stronger and more durable all he likes but he is not as skilled a fighter as Shang. [/B]

I have ample proof. He was attacked more. He was shown to be hurt more. He exerted himself more putting Raiden down. He's human while Quan is Oni. The narration may not say it but the video clearly shows it. Are you serious right now? Health meters are the only way for you to assess damage now? Guess you couldn't tell Liu Kang was more damaged than Raiden when they fought in 9 in the cutscene when Raiden "killed" him due to lack of meters. Or that Smoke was getting his ass whipped by Sektor in 9 due to lack of meters. /facepalm

Nope. [/B]

Quan and Shang both received damage but both had recovered. It's like in between rounds the fights are back to full health. By your logic if someone loses round 1 then they really aren't back to 100 percent when the health meter shows they clearly are.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You have no single advantage in Shang's favor.

Except his skill.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It's speculation that Quan was badly hurt and needed outside help to win the fight. Shao Kahn caught him off guard and hit him with a hammer. You just assume everything against Quanchi and assume everything in Shang's favor through speculation.

Not at all. We see it clear as day.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Sigh. I hate youtube searching for this.

You don't have to if you can gimme the exact quote. I'll trust you with that tho again "most powerful sorcerer"=/="will win in fight"

Originally posted by quanchi112
I wouldn't just blindly say Quan is stronger and more durable than Liu Kang.

I don't think it is very blind looking at who they are but i see your point. Still tho there is more than Kang in that comparison

Originally posted by quanchi112
There is one major difference as well with your examples. Quanchi beat Shang due to his skill/strength. They fought hand to hand and Quanchi clearly won. The narration states it clearly.

Video clarly shows a less than 100% fighter getting beat. After he was "almost killed" by an enraged thunder god. Again i know Quan won the fight, you just need to acknowledge that Shang was clearly harmed more.

Originally posted by quanchi112
They both recovered. Hell, we see Raiden get up from Shang's giant snake attack after he has enough time to rest and Shang also recover to aid against Onaga.

What does that have to do with anything. We know that nobody died and they all were still able to fight later but that does not mean that they were at their best.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Quan and Shang both received damage but both had recovered. It's like in between rounds the fights are back to full health. By your logic if someone loses round 1 then they really aren't back to 100 percent when the health meter shows they clearly are.

No the round feature is an in game feature only. They do not actually fight in rounds where they are fully recovered. And even if they did we see it is not always the case since Raiden fights in the Netherrealm against three people and is not healed in between rounds. Next you'll be saying Baraka really uses his X-Ray in battle to put his blade thru Johnny Cage's throat and eye and Cage is not only able to conitue and win the fight but is completely unharmed by it seconds later. In game features don't count as canon