Quan Chi vs. Shang Tsung

For starters liu kang did not die to the same attack that shang tsung took, It was a combination of raidens lightning attack and his own fire back firing on him. Second liu kang would beat the smelly hell out of raiden since he 1 shot mortally wounded shao kahn who later, in the same game, beat raiden like a dog. The authors intent was pretty clear when quan chi easily beat shang tsung who looked no worse for the wear. If that's not enough the event's of mortal kombat 9 clearly depict quan chi as the superior sorcerer: He Opened the soulnado, he's the one who saved shao kahn's life after being mortally wounded, and he's the one who resurrected sindel.

Originally posted by juggerman
Except his skill.

Not at all. We see it clear as day.

You don't have to if you can gimme the exact quote. I'll trust you with that tho again "most powerful sorcerer"=/="will win in fight"

I don't think it is very blind looking at who they are but i see your point. Still tho there is more than Kang in that comparison[/B]

I don't need that since we already saw them fight. Quan already defeated Shang Tsung.

Video clarly shows a less than 100% fighter getting beat. After he was "almost killed" by an enraged thunder god. Again i know Quan won the fight, you just need to acknowledge that Shang was clearly harmed more.[/B]

What does that have to do with anything. We know that nobody died and they all were still able to fight later but that does not mean that they were at their best.

No the round feature is an in game feature only. They do not actually fight in rounds where they are fully recovered. And even if they did we see it is not always the case since Raiden fights in the Netherrealm against three people and is not healed in between rounds. Next you'll be saying Baraka really uses his X-Ray in battle to put his blade thru Johnny Cage's throat and eye and Cage is not only able to conitue and win the fight but is completely unharmed by it seconds later. In game features don't count as canon [/B]

I am just using this to illustrate my point but it isn't needed as the video makes it clear when someone is hurt or when someone recovers. Mk fights are very resilient but you seem to believe if they receive damage they need a day or two off to be at full strength.

Originally posted by thanos-prime
For starters liu kang did not die to the same attack that shang tsung took, It was a combination of raidens lightning attack and his own fire back firing on him. Second liu kang would beat the smelly hell out of raiden since he 1 shot mortally wounded shao kahn who later, in the same game, beat raiden like a dog. The authors intent was pretty clear when quan chi easily beat shang tsung who looked no worse for the wear. If that's not enough the event's of mortal kombat 9 clearly depict quan chi as the superior sorcerer: He Opened the soulnado, he's the one who saved shao kahn's life after being mortally wounded, and he's the one who resurrected sindel.

You're right he died to a weaker one.

He would not beat Raiden since we clearly see Raiden easily kill him without even meaning to.

Shao Kahn beat Raiden's ass while Raiden was letting him. He didn't even try to fight back. It's called context.

Quan and Tsung fought after a fight just took place where Tsung was beaten up much more. Again context.

Soulnado isn't something Tsung knows how to do. Doesn't make Chi stronger as he cannot do things Tsung can ie soul manipulation as Chi NEEDED Tsung to awaken the dragon king's army. So if "can't do what others can do=stronger" is your reasoning, your reasoning is shit.

Tsung would not want to save Kahn's life as he was trying to seize control. Chi only did to farther his plans with Shinnok. Nowhere was it even hinted at that he couldn't.

Again Chi specializes in necromancy so he would know more about it then Tsung. Tsung creates warriors as opposed to just bringing them back which honestly would require more skill, he shape shifts and manipulates souls which are things he can do much better than Chi. So by your logic Tsung is also better cuz he did thing Chi did/could not.

Originally posted by quanchi112
We saw him match his skill and fighting prowess against Quan Chi. It was sub par.

We saw it against Liu Kang, possibly the greatest fighter in MK, and it was superb. The key difference in these fights was that he had just gotten his ass beat prior to one and in the other one he was fresh.

Originally posted by quanchi112
We see him injured. We see him later in the fight on top of the mountain using both arms and stabbing Kenshi. By your rationale he was damaged but we clearly see later him pwn a great mk swordsman in battle.

He was damaged but as a sorcerer he could have taken time to heal himself since we don't see him for a while. Also he had a much longer time between fights than Tsung did. And in addition to that he was nowhere as beat up as Tsung was against Raiden.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I don't need that since we already saw them fight. Quan already defeated Shang Tsung.

A weakened Shang Tsung

Originally posted by quanchi112
The video clearly shows both fully recovered. There were no nagging injuries and Quan Chi just defeated him. No, both had time and recovered. Shang is a pussy compared to Quan Chi and went down almost every attack. Quan is who carried him to victory in that fight as well.

Quan did do much better but again there are several explanations for that. Just look at what Tsung endured in that fight. No way he was fully recovered in seconds.

Originally posted by quanchi112
We see no nagging injuries. There is no reason to assume they were injured or no sign of it when they were fighting after they all stood back up.

So if you can stand/walk you're at 100% now?

Originally posted by quanchi112
I am just using this to illustrate my point but it isn't needed as the video makes it clear when someone is hurt or when someone recovers. Mk fights are very resilient but you seem to believe if they receive damage they need a day or two off to be at full strength.

Not a day or two but certainly more than a few seconds.

Originally posted by juggerman
You're right he died to a weaker one.

He would not beat Raiden since we clearly see Raiden easily kill him without even meaning to.

Shao Kahn beat Raiden's ass while Raiden was letting him. He didn't even try to fight back. It's called context.

Quan and Tsung fought after a fight just took place where Tsung was beaten up much more. Again context.

Soulnado isn't something Tsung knows how to do. Doesn't make Chi stronger as he cannot do things Tsung can ie soul manipulation as Chi NEEDED Tsung to awaken the dragon king's army. So if "can't do what others can do=stronger" is your reasoning, your reasoning is shit.

Tsung would not want to save Kahn's life as he was trying to seize control. Chi only did to farther his plans with Shinnok. Nowhere was it even hinted at that he couldn't.

Again Chi specializes in necromancy so he would know more about it then Tsung. Tsung creates warriors as opposed to just bringing them back which honestly would require more skill, he shape shifts and manipulates souls which are things he can do much better than Chi. So by your logic Tsung is also better cuz he did thing Chi did/could not.

Honestly the other stuff i named is just gravy, the only thing that really matters is that quan chi already beat shang tsung like a dog. A shang tsung who was feeling confident enough to try to take the amulet from him. By the way shang tsung only took one more lighting attack than quan chi and when that one came he hadn't even gotten up from the first one.

Originally posted by thanos-prime
I like how you glossed over the fact that it wasn't raiden that was responsible for what happened to liu kang it was his own power back firing on him.

Honestly the other stuff i named is just gravy, the only thing that really matters is that quan chi already beat shang tsung like a dog. A shang tsung who was feeling confident enough to try to take the amulet from him. By the way shang tsung only took one more lighting attack than quan chi and when that one came he hadn't even gotten up from the first one.

I can't say one way or the other as i haven't watched the scene in a while. You may be right. Then again you may not be. Either way it was made very clear Raiden was barely trying and killed him. And him dying from his own attack is pretty weak too imo

Well if you actually played Dead Alliance you'd know that Tsung and Chi were planning on betraying one another after the army was ready and knew the other was as well. Tsung knew that Chi would try to kill him at the earliest convience so he basically just decided to throw down then instead of having Chi get the drop on him. Doesn't mean he was actually fit to fight. And Shang took 3 lightning hits with the last one being much longer than the others. I only recall Quan taking one but i'll rewatch to make sure.

Originally posted by juggerman
I can't say one way or the other as i haven't watched the scene in a while. You may be right. Then again you may not be. Either way it was made very clear Raiden was barely trying and killed him. And him dying from his own attack is pretty weak too imo

Well if you actually played Dead Alliance you'd know that Tsung and Chi were planning on betraying one another after the army was ready and knew the other was as well. Tsung knew that Chi would try to kill him at the earliest convience so he basically just decided to throw down then instead of having Chi get the drop on him. Doesn't mean he was actually fit to fight. And Shang took 3 lightning hits with the last one being much longer than the others. I only recall Quan taking one but i'll rewatch to make sure.

The fact that they were plotting to kill each other is irrelevant, Quan chi won. Even if shang tsung was slightly more weakened from the fight with raiden, the ease with which quan chi beat him cant be written off.

Originally posted by thanos-prime
How is it weak? That same attack put a hole in shao kahn's chest.

The fact that they were plotting to kill each other is irrelevant, Quan chi won. Even if shang tsung was slightly more weakened from the fight with raiden, the ease with which quan chi beat him cant be written off.

How did his "fire fist punch" destroy his whole body when it is only shown to damage what it hits?

It is not. Knowing you will be attacked soon is a very good reason to try to fight on your own terms if you can. It wasn't "slight" as he was wrecked and Quan was not. It is not being written off, Quan destroyed him fairly easily. But if he could do that to a fresh Shang remains to be seen

Originally posted by juggerman
How did his "fire fist punch" destroy his whole body when it is only shown to damage what it hits?

It is not. Knowing you will be attacked soon is a very good reason to try to fight on your own terms if you can. It wasn't "slight" as he was wrecked and Quan was not. It is not being written off, Quan destroyed him fairly easily. But if he could do that to a fresh Shang remains to be seen

He had just absorbed some souls would which heals him, if anyone was in worst shape it was quan as he had no time in between fights to heal where as on top of healing shang also spent most of the fight on the floor.

I would like to know who these warriors are that shang makes aswell as you said it was a showing of skill whereas just bringing people back was easy. Ah and quan makes warrior's too lets not forget scorpion.

Originally posted by thanos-prime
when he punched raidens shield he was hit with both his and raidens power.

He had just absorbed some souls would which heals him, if anyone was in worst shape it was quan as he had no time in between fights to heal where as on top of healing shang also spent most of the fight on the floor.

I would like to know who these warriors are that shang makes aswell as you said it was a showing of skill whereas just bringing people back was easy. Ah and quan makes warrior's too lets not forget scorpion.

It did not look like a "shield" to me but again i will watch it tonight when i get off work and will comment on it tomorrow deal? No Youtube access at my job.

When was it ever shown that absorbing a soul heals him outside of a gameplay feature that only came about in the 5th game? All that was stated about it is that it is required to keep his youth/strength not heal him from injury.

Shang Tsung created Mileena, Meat and maybe Skarlet. Quan Chi does not "create" fighters he simply ressurects already dead warriors like Scorpion and Bi Han, who was the original Sub Zero and later became Noob Saibot. He is also shown raising dead fighters against Jax.

EDIT: Just read Skarlet's bio and she was created by Shao Kahn himself so disregard me mentioning her.

Originally posted by juggerman
It did not look like a "shield" to me but again i will watch it tonight when i get off work and will comment on it tomorrow deal? No Youtube access at my job.

When was it ever shown that absorbing a soul heals him outside of a gameplay feature that only came about in the 5th game? All that was stated about it is that it is required to keep his youth/strength not heal him from injury.

Shang Tsung created Mileena, Meat and maybe Skarlet. Quan Chi does not "create" fighters he simply ressurects already dead warriors like Scorpion and Bi Han, who was the original Sub Zero and later became Noob Saibot. He is also shown raising dead fighters against Jax.

EDIT: Just read Skarlet's bio and she was created by Shao Kahn himself so disregard me mentioning her.

the soul obviously gave him a power up of some sort it healed him imo but even if it didn't he still was powered up in his fight with quan and still lost easily.

mileena a biological creation not a showing of his sorcery and even then she is messed up pretty sure her mouth isn't supposed to be like that, Meat another unfinished creation is a piece of shit compared to scorpion and noob saibot. And noob siabot and scorpion are his creations he made them what they are, and they are both significantly better than meat.

Just want to point out that quan also did much better aganist raiden that shang.

Without reading the 4 pages I'm going to say Quanchi wins. I think it has been consistently shown and/or portrayed that Quan is superior to Shang.

Originally posted by thanos-prime
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the soul obviously gave him a power up of some sort it healed him imo but even if it didn't he still was powered up in his fight with quan and still lost easily.

mileena a biological creation not a showing of his sorcery and even then she is messed up pretty sure her mouth isn't supposed to be like that, Meat another unfinished creation is a piece of shit compared to scorpion and noob saibot. And noob siabot and scorpion are his creations he made them what they are, and they are both significantly better than meat.

Just want to point out that quan also did much better aganist raiden that shang.

Watched it and it does seem like Kang was on fire and not just shocked. Tho it still shows he was no match for Raiden cuz in the cutscene before it they are about to fight and then the next one Kang is getting up very slowly like he just got his ass beat. Then he decides to try to run around Raiden instead of engaging him again. I also can't say that he took more than Shang cuz as stated earlier Raiden was trying to kill Shang while just trying to hold Kang back.

I will agree it gave him some power, but he also used a good amount of that power with the fire snake, and he still was not healed. It's clear he's not near 100%

In her bio it's made clear that Shang Tsung created here with his sorcerery. How he did it exactly is unclear but his power was the reason behind it. And it's stated in MK9 that there really isn't technology in Outworld which is why they were shocked when they saw tech signals coming from Cyrax and Sektor. Meat is incomplete so it's really unfair to compare him to others since they are completed. Scorpion is better than Mileena but Noob is iffy tho. And even still what's easier: to improve on and already created person or create one from scratch? Sektor and Cyrax are improved as well but that you wouldn't give their makers credit for actually creating the warriors themselves would you?

Yes he did but this point isn't really revelent as i've stated earlier. Foreman did better against Frazier than Ali did yet Ali still beat Foreman. Plus iirc Raiden has much more knowledge on Shang Tsung then he does on Quan Chi as he's encountered Tsung more often and seen him fight, and had ample opportunity to assess his weaknesses. Plus Quan being an Oni pretty much already makes him stronger and able to tank more damage than a human like Shang, so a kick or lightning strike would naturally affect Tsung more especially from someone stronger and more skilled than himself.

Originally posted by juggerman
Watched it and it does seem like Kang was on fire and not just shocked. Tho it still shows he was no match for Raiden cuz in the cutscene before it they are about to fight and then the next one Kang is getting up very slowly like he just got his ass beat. Then he decides to try to run around Raiden instead of engaging him again. I also can't say that he took more than Shang cuz as stated earlier Raiden was trying to kill Shang while just trying to hold Kang back.

I will agree it gave him some power, but he also used a good amount of that power with the fire snake, and he still was not healed. It's clear he's not near 100%

In her bio it's made clear that Shang Tsung created here with his sorcerery. How he did it exactly is unclear but his power was the reason behind it. And it's stated in MK9 that there really isn't technology in Outworld which is why they were shocked when they saw tech signals coming from Cyrax and Sektor. Meat is incomplete so it's really unfair to compare him to others since they are completed. Scorpion is better than Mileena but Noob is iffy tho. And even still what's easier: to improve on and already created person or create one from scratch? Sektor and Cyrax are improved as well but that you wouldn't give their makers credit for actually creating the warriors themselves would you?

Yes he did but this point isn't really revelent as i've stated earlier. Foreman did better against Frazier than Ali did yet Ali still beat Foreman. Plus iirc Raiden has much more knowledge on Shang Tsung then he does on Quan Chi as he's encountered Tsung more often and seen him fight, and had ample opportunity to assess his weaknesses. Plus Quan being an Oni pretty much already makes him stronger and able to tank more damage than a human like Shang, so a kick or lightning strike would naturally affect Tsung more especially from someone stronger and more skilled than himself.

Even if he used some power on the snake quan did as well that was a joint attack, and there's the fact that quan spent far more energy and power on the fight with raiden than shang did. quan was also far from 100%.

It's really not iffy that noob is better than either he has consistently been one of the most powerful fighter's throughout the games. Noob and scorpion are created from scratch in the sense that they are completely different from what they were before, much more powerful. and mileena isn't created from just sorcery he needed katana's and tarkatan dna and still messed her up whereas scorpion and noob are complete and far more powerful beings.

Assessing weaknesses don't mean anything if all your doing is blasting the opponent with lightning. "Human" Doesn't mean anything in Mortal kombat, there are humans more durable than quan and shang, durability in mk is directly tied to power imo. And im pretty sure that it's been said in one of the games that shang isn't human anymore anyway, he's a demon iirc.

Originally posted by thanos-prime
In game fight's aren't really indications of who is better if you want to go that route shang tsung was beaten by people he should never lose to in mk9. He tried to run around him cause he felt they were wasting time, he wanted to stop kahn from merging the realms. Even if he were holding back kang wasn't he was trying to kill raiden and riaden's shield + Liu's all out fire fist imo is greater than the lightning raiden hit either of these two with.

Even if he used some power on the snake quan did as well that was a joint attack, and there's the fact that quan spent far more energy and power on the fight with raiden than shang did. quan was also far from 100%.

It's really not iffy that noob is better than either he has consistently been one of the most powerful fighter's throughout the games. Noob and scorpion are created from scratch in the sense that they are completely different from what they were before, much more powerful. and mileena isn't created from just sorcery he needed katana's and tarkatan dna and still messed her up whereas scorpion and noob are complete and far more powerful beings.

Assessing weaknesses don't mean anything if all your doing is blasting the opponent with lightning. "Human" Doesn't mean anything in Mortal kombat, there are humans more durable than quan and shang, durability in mk is directly tied to power imo. And im pretty sure that it's been said in one of the games that shang isn't human anymore anyway, he's a demon iirc.

I wasn't an in game fight tho it was a canon cut scene. Liu Kang was the one slowly getting up in the canon cutscene therefore he was losing the fight. Shang was canonly beaten by several people below his level imo but that is canon no matter how much i dislike it. Same goes for Quan Chi. Both of them were beaten way too often in 9 along with the Shokan. But again it's canon now just like Liu getting beat down by Raiden. Raiden's all out lightning attack would be much greater than his holding back lightning attack. Adding fire to it still doesn't make it all that impressive since it was a "fire fist" attack and it backfired, spreading all over therefore he was severely burned by an attack not very concentrated. Raiden was hit by a concentrated fire snake and was barely singed.

Quan did not aid in the fire snake attck. They jointly lifted Raiden up and held him in the air, then Shang pulled the snake out. I'd say they were pretty evenly worn out but it's very clear that Shang took more damage in the fight and therefore was more injured. I don't think Quan was 100% either but i do think he was better off than Shang seeing as how he was attacked less

They weren't created from scratch tho. Both were very highly trained assassins with otherworldly powers before Quan Chi entered the equation. And Scorpion was not improved all that much seeing as how Bi Han killed him and then when he came back Bi Han whipped his ass again. It wasn't until their 3rd encounter that Scorpion was successful. And let's not forget Mileena had higher status amoung Shao Kahn's generals than Noob. Iirc Noob was only really used for assassinations and whatnot but Mileena led armies. Imho Bi Han was more powerful as Sub Zero and even his younger brother comments on how he was a far stronger "Sub Zero" than he was.

It means alot seeing as how Raiden was able to couter Shang like he knew what he's do before he even did it. "Human" means a lot as we see Kahn survive a hole punched thru his chest and we see Stryker die from a punch to the face. Shang is indeed human, the demon thing was an idea that was scraped iirc. He sold his soul to Kahn for power but he's still human. Yeah the MK guys are more durable than normal humans but there is still a difference amoung them with the Oni being amoung the strongest and most durable races out there

Originally posted by juggerman
I wasn't an in game fight tho it was a canon cut scene. Liu Kang was the one slowly getting up in the canon cutscene therefore he was losing the fight. Shang was canonly beaten by several people below his level imo but that is canon no matter how much i dislike it. Same goes for Quan Chi. Both of them were beaten way too often in 9 along with the Shokan. But again it's canon now just like Liu getting beat down by Raiden. Raiden's all out lightning attack would be much greater than his holding back lightning attack. Adding fire to it still doesn't make it all that impressive since it was a "fire fist" attack and it backfired, spreading all over therefore he was severely burned by an attack not very concentrated. Raiden was hit by a concentrated fire snake and was barely singed.

Quan did not aid in the fire snake attck. They jointly lifted Raiden up and held him in the air, then Shang pulled the snake out. I'd say they were pretty evenly worn out but it's very clear that Shang took more damage in the fight and therefore was more injured. I don't think Quan was 100% either but i do think he was better off than Shang seeing as how he was attacked less

They weren't created from scratch tho. Both were very highly trained assassins with otherworldly powers before Quan Chi entered the equation. And Scorpion was not improved all that much seeing as how Bi Han killed him and then when he came back Bi Han whipped his ass again. It wasn't until their 3rd encounter that Scorpion was successful. And let's not forget Mileena had higher status amoung Shao Kahn's generals than Noob. Iirc Noob was only really used for assassinations and whatnot but Mileena led armies. Imho Bi Han was more powerful as Sub Zero and even his younger brother comments on how he was a far stronger "Sub Zero" than he was.

It means alot seeing as how Raiden was able to couter Shang like he knew what he's do before he even did it. "Human" means a lot as we see Kahn survive a hole punched thru his chest and we see Stryker die from a punch to the face. Shang is indeed human, the demon thing was an idea that was scraped iirc. He sold his soul to Kahn for power but he's still human. Yeah the MK guys are more durable than normal humans but there is still a difference amoung them with the Oni being amoung the strongest and most durable races out there

After watching the video again i have to say i think they both took very comparable amounts of damage the first lightning blast quan takes is sustained almost as long as the one shang takes on the ground on top of that he also takes more melee hits.

Scorpions was just a ninja before becoming scorpion him being a "highly trained assassin" is based on nothing i can think of. And i see nothing of them having a match where sub-zero won before the tourney where scorpion killed him in scorpions wiki page. Noob himself comments on how he is now complete as noob which imo he was implying he was more powerful. Mileena led armies as she could be controlled that's the entire reason she was made kahn wanted a kitana he could control.

Comparing kahn to stryker is silly as kahn is one of the most powerful people from outworld. is this " Oni being amoung the strongest and most durable races out there" actually based on statements or anything? cause i don't think i have ever seen anything that hints at it might be wrong tho.Raiden countered shang and quan at times in the fight not because he has personal info on there attacks but because he could, that's what you do when you have the capability to counter you counter.

Originally posted by thanos-prime
it wasn't an attack but a shield and we have no idea how much power he held back but we know liu was going all out which imo contributed most of the damage, And the fire is where the power comes from it is not the punch unless you think liu could punch through sonya or johnny's chest with a normal punch.

After watching the video again i have to say i think they both took very comparable amounts of damage the first lightning blast quan takes is sustained almost as long as the one shang takes on the ground on top of that he also takes more melee hits.

Scorpions was just a ninja before becoming scorpion him being a "highly trained assassin" is based on nothing i can think of. And i see nothing of them having a match where sub-zero won before the tourney where scorpion killed him in scorpions wiki page. Noob himself comments on how he is now complete as noob which imo he was implying he was more powerful. Mileena led armies as she could be controlled that's the entire reason she was made kahn wanted a kitana he could control.

Comparing kahn to stryker is silly as kahn is one of the most powerful people from outworld. is this " Oni being amoung the strongest and most durable races out there" actually based on statements or anything? cause i don't think i have ever seen anything that hints at it might be wrong tho.Raiden countered shang and quan at times in the fight not because he has personal info on there attacks but because he could, that's what you do when you have the capability to counter you counter.

It was an attack. He struck Kang as he was trying to punch Raiden. Even if it was a shield it makes it worse since an all out lightning strike would be stronger. The power was concentrated in his fist, flames spreading in not as powerful as the focused shot.

Shang took a shock, a kick, a shock and then a much longer shock. Quan took a "back body drop", a kick with less momentum, and a shock. Seems to me Quan got the better end of the deal.

He was a member of the clan that rivaled the Lin Kuei which was founded by a member of the Lin Kuei that deserted them. It's sated that he taught them the secrets of the Lin Kuei which is why they hate them so much. Scorpion is the most powerful member of this clan. He is highly skilled.

In MK Mythologies Sub Zero it's shown that they fight and Sub Zero kills him. Then they fight again in the Netherrealm after Scorpion is brought back by Quan Chi and Sub Zero beats him again. The game is canon and the events of it are mentioned by Raiden in MK 9. Noob is controlled too so that would not be the reason that Mileena is above him. Noob was basically warped/brainwashed by Quan Chi so his own statements about him being better are suspect at the least since that could simply be what Quan makes him believe.

Trus it is a weird comparison but in MK 9 mostly only humans died and the only one i can think of on the evil side that was close was Kahn. Sindel died under weird circumstances and Kahn killed Shang in a strange way. Just looked it up and Quan is not an Oni, he used to be one but now he is a demon. I think the only difference is that Oni are wild and primative while demons are not. Anyway the Oni being stronger was my own opinion based off of Moloch and Drahmin. It's clear to me that then are stronger than humans and the races in MK that are comparable or stronger are Shokans and Centaurs.

I had a much better answer typed out but it got erased accidently, so if anything needs further explaining lemme know.

P.S. I really only post at work so i won't be responding until Monday. Just so you don't think i ran off butthurt lol

Originally posted by juggerman
It was an attack. He struck Kang as he was trying to punch Raiden. Even if it was a shield it makes it worse since an all out lightning strike would be stronger. The power was concentrated in his fist, flames spreading in not as powerful as the focused shot.

Shang took a shock, a kick, a shock and then a much longer shock. Quan took a "back body drop", a kick with less momentum, and a shock. Seems to me Quan got the better end of the deal.

He was a member of the clan that rivaled the Lin Kuei which was founded by a member of the Lin Kuei that deserted them. It's sated that he taught them the secrets of the Lin Kuei which is why they hate them so much. Scorpion is the most powerful member of this clan. He is highly skilled.

In MK Mythologies Sub Zero it's shown that they fight and Sub Zero kills him. Then they fight again in the Netherrealm after Scorpion is brought back by Quan Chi and Sub Zero beats him again. The game is canon and the events of it are mentioned by Raiden in MK 9. Noob is controlled too so that would not be the reason that Mileena is above him. Noob was basically warped/brainwashed by Quan Chi so his own statements about him being better are suspect at the least since that could simply be what Quan makes him believe.

Trus it is a weird comparison but in MK 9 mostly only humans died and the only one i can think of on the evil side that was close was Kahn. Sindel died under weird circumstances and Kahn killed Shang in a strange way. Just looked it up and Quan is not an Oni, he used to be one but now he is a demon. I think the only difference is that Oni are wild and primative while demons are not. Anyway the Oni being stronger was my own opinion based off of Moloch and Drahmin. It's clear to me that then are stronger than humans and the races in MK that are comparable or stronger are Shokans and Centaurs.

I had a much better answer typed out but it got erased accidently, so if anything needs further explaining lemme know.

P.S. I really only post at work so i won't be responding until Monday. Just so you don't think i ran off butthurt lol

Quan got shocked twice the first was almost as long as the one that raiden used on shang when he was down and the second when raiden blasted through his skeleton wall, so i think they took very comparable amounts of damage, the only difference is shang spent most of the fight on the ground not losing any energy and absorbed souls which if that doesn't put his condition above quans it atleast evens it.

Ah was not aware that was cannon. Noob is controlled by quan chi who can't be trusted so those who serve him can't be trusted either. Why would quan give a shit what noob thinks to quan he is merely a slave.

Oni are cleary very different from each other physically and intelligence wise, I don't see any reason that because moloch is stronger than this person because quan is an oni as well he should be stronger too.

Originally posted by juggerman
We saw it against Liu Kang, possibly the greatest fighter in MK, and it was superb. The key difference in these fights was that he had just gotten his ass beat prior to one and in the other one he was fresh.

He was damaged but as a sorcerer he could have taken time to heal himself since we don't see him for a while. Also he had a much longer time between fights than Tsung did. And in addition to that he was nowhere as beat up as Tsung was against Raiden.[/B]

Tsung's powers and his youth comes from the souls and yet the soulnado was used. Yet you want to act like shang was on death's door and ignore everything out of personal love of a character. It's obvious.

A weakened Shang Tsung
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Quan did do much better but again there are several explanations for that. Just look at what Tsung endured in that fight. No way he was fully recovered in seconds.[/B]

So if you can stand/walk you're at 100% now?

Not a day or two but certainly more than a few seconds. [/B]

1. Barbossa--He never saw him and only cheated because his peg leg made him far weaker despite no proof of any of this.

2. Dumbledore--He doesn't kill. Any good wizard who defends his own life and kills is a murderer and can't kill in self defense. LOL.

3. Shang--He was weakened. Bring up irrelevant fights. Argue through a series of speculative points.

Quan won. He dominated. Get over it.

Originally posted by thanos-prime
no point in continuing this point as were not going to agree so agree to disagree.

Quan got shocked twice the first was almost as long as the one that raiden used on shang when he was down and the second when raiden blasted through his skeleton wall, so i think they took very comparable amounts of damage, the only difference is shang spent most of the fight on the ground not losing any energy and absorbed souls which if that doesn't put his condition above quans it atleast evens it.

Ah was not aware that was cannon. Noob is controlled by quan chi who can't be trusted so those who serve him can't be trusted either. Why would quan give a shit what noob thinks to quan he is merely a slave.

Oni are cleary very different from each other physically and intelligence wise, I don't see any reason that because moloch is stronger than this person because quan is an oni as well he should be stronger too.

Ok

You're right i forgot about the second time but Shang still got three with the final one being two handed right? Just look at his fight with Zombie Kang. He is moving a lot better, at 100% then he was after being beaten up.

I was just pointing out that Noob would be pretty much brainwashed therefore his opinion about being better is suspect.

The Oni in general are beastly so i was generalizing. Again it really doesn't matter at this point since i was wrong in believing Chi to still be an Oni.