Originally posted by quanchi112
Doesn't matter. Hulk wins. Healing factor, intelligence, strength are too much for Nefaria.
Healing factor- Yes, but it won't matter while he is flattened.
Intelligence- Negligible
Strength- Negligible, I would argue that Nefaria is stronger than WWH at the start of the fight.
Now these factors.
Stamina- Nefaria is not going to tire before WWH does.
Speed- Nefaria has the advantage and the speedblitz will be hellacious!
When WWH turns to Worldbreaker after waking up THEN he will win against the Count. 😎
Originally posted by LordofBrooklynSo you agree the healing factor is in his advantage. Awesome.
Healing factor- Yes, but it won't matter while he is flattened.Intelligence- Negligible
Strength- Negligible, I would argue that Nefaria is stronger than WWH at the start of the fight.
Now these factors.
Stamina- Nefaria is not going to tire before WWH does.
Speed- Nefaria has the advantage and the speedblitz will be hellacious!
When WWH turns to Worldbreaker after waking up THEN he will win against the Count. 😎
Wrong. Hulk is combat tested.
Even if that were true Hulk has dynamic strength so it's a moot point even if I were t o give you that which I won't.
Yes, he is. Hulk gets stronger as the fight progresses not Nefa.
Who has he speedblitzed ? We argue what's in character not powersets.
Originally posted by Batman-PrimeWrong.
Classic Nef beats the sh!t out of hulk.
What people forget about Avengers 166 is the Count only got his powers the day before and beat up on a very strong Avengers line up including Thor, who even tried going esoteric on him with a vortex attack/bfr which Nefaria handled and then punched Thor in the choppers knocking him down for his trouble.
Originally posted by Anthony StarkSo his lack of experience will definitely cost him here.
What people forget about Avengers 166 is the Count only got his powers the day before and beat up on a very strong Avengers line up including Thor, who even tried going esoteric on him with a vortex attack/bfr which Nefaria handled and then punched Thor in the choppers knocking him down for his trouble.
count would likely get too cocky and get caught or he'd see hulk was capable of fighting him evenly and he'd lose confidence and makybe get scared. cn's powerset might be enough, but his brain could be a problem. his speed would be a big key for him if he were to win this. i think he was def intended to be an avengers team challenger--that is pretty powerful, but wwh was seen as pretty much the same. tough call imo but i'd take hulk for a slight majority i think.
Originally posted by leonidasThis 100%
count would likely get too cocky and get caught or he'd see hulk was capable of fighting him evenly and he'd lose confidence and makybe get scared. cn's powerset might be enough, but his brain could be a problem. his speed would be a big key for him if he were to win this. i think he was def intended to be an avengers team challenger--that is pretty powerful, but wwh was seen as pretty much the same. tough call imo but i'd take hulk for a slight majority i think.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Healing factor- Yes, but it won't matter while he is flattened.Intelligence- Negligible
Strength- Negligible, I would argue that Nefaria is stronger than WWH at the start of the fight.
Now these factors.
Stamina- Nefaria is not going to tire before WWH does.
Speed- Nefaria has the advantage and the speedblitz will be hellacious!
When WWH turns to Worldbreaker after waking up THEN he will win against the Count. 😎
You forgot Durability, which does go to Nefaria (the guy had Thors thrown hammer bounce off his chest, and actually caught it mid-strike).
Originally posted by Anthony StarkWW Hulk wasn't scared of anything. That was a key plot point in the overall arc with regards to his mindset.
Possibly or when Hulk hits him and he doesn't die, he might decide Hulk should fear him and lay down a can of whoopass like with Thor only with no other people around to protect him.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Healing factor- Yes, but it won't matter while he is flattened.Intelligence- Negligible
Strength- Negligible, I would argue that Nefaria is stronger than WWH at the start of the fight.
Now these factors.
Stamina- Nefaria is not going to tire before WWH does.
Speed- Nefaria has the advantage and the speedblitz will be hellacious!
When WWH turns to Worldbreaker after waking up THEN he will win against the Count. 😎
You're wrong about WW Hulk. He could go from High Herald strength, to near Sky Father in a moment. This is not the same Hulk of the olden days. The Hulk was holding back the entire time. If you re-read WW Hulk you will see that the entire time that he sat in that stadium he was going over how he should get his revenge on those that exiled him in the first place. He could have just gone World Breaker from the very beginning, but there were innocents that would have lost their lives, and this was a burden that he would not have wanted to bare.
To recap, all you need to do is look at the end of the story where he begs for someone to stop him. This was the Hulk holding back, and even then he nearly sunk the Eastern Coastline. Nefaria would be wrung out like a pair of wet socks if the fight were to take place on some deserted battle world like the Dark Dimension. The two aren't in the same class in terms of power.
Originally posted by Stoic
You're wrong about WW Hulk. He could go from High Herald strength, to near Sky Father in a moment. This is not the same Hulk of the olden days. The Hulk was holding back the entire time. If you re-read WW Hulk you will see that the entire time that he sat in that stadium he was going over how he should get his revenge on those that exiled him in the first place. He could have just gone World Breaker from the very beginning, but there were innocents that would have lost their lives, and this was a burden that he would not have wanted to bare.To recap, all you need to do is look at the end of the story where he begs for someone to stop him. This was the Hulk holding back, and even then he nearly sunk the Eastern Coastline. Nefaria would be wrung out like a pair of wet socks if the fight were to take place on some deserted battle world like the Dark Dimension. The two aren't in the same class in terms of power.
Your points are well appreciated but for the purposes of this thread, Word War Hulk is restricted from entering Worldbreaker mode in this fight. Given said limitation Classic Nefaria is well within range of World War Hulk.