Originally posted by Stoic
Back then Simon couldn't lift Thor's weight in the gym while training.No he wasn't, he was always just slightly stronger than the Thing.
You're wrong.
Simon nearly killed Ben and had him scrambling in their TWO IN ONE fight. One particular scene has Simon casually tossing a weight that the Thing could barely handle.
Neither Ben or Simon were ever in the High Herald strength bracket. Simon was always mid level, while Ben was low to mid. Thor on the other hand was always High to Trans depending on the story.
If you are saying that Nefaria of classic days is as strong as WW Hulk you are wrong. During the WW Hulk saga Bruce held back the entire time as on panel evidence suggests. We see this during his escapade in the Dark Dimension. So if the two of them were to battle it out in a neutral zone, where there were no innocent bystanders at risk of losing their lives, the Hulk would go WORLD BREAKER on him and absolutely dominate his ass. Do you agree with this assessment? Yes or No?
Originally posted by DTM
Simon was always listed as Class95 Strength, just shy of the Class100s Hulk, Thor, Hercules, whereas Thing was Class85, in the realm of She Hulk, Colossus, Titania. So Wonder Man was (and probably still is) definately in the level closer to Thor than Thing.
I forgot which Mighty Avengers comic issue it was, but Simon attempted to lift Thor's weight in the gym, and he was very uncomfortable with. Thus he failed at completing the full reps.
I know that Ben was never as strong as Simon, I merely said that he was closer to Ben level of strength than he was to Thor's. But whatever. If we were to go back and look at Simons performance during WW Hulk, he was easily defeated by Korg. Do you remember this?
Uuuummm, WWH doesnt need to go World Breaker to be stronger than Nef. WWH held a planet together twice the size of Earth...threw mountains, nearly destroyed a city while fist cuffing. The strength between the two isn't even debatable. This doesn't include WWH shaking Earth while fighting Sakaar, punching two beings that was the height of a skyscraper out of orbit along with part of the city. Knocking an amped Loeb Rulk out with a thunder clap. An empowered Zeus had to pound on WWH to take him out...WWH wins.
Originally posted by carver9
Uuuummm, WWH doesnt need to go World Breaker to be stronger than Nef. WWH held a planet together twice the size of Earth...threw mountains, nearly destroyed a city while fist cuffing. The strength between the two isn't even debatable. This doesn't include WWH shaking Earth while fighting Sakaar, punching two beings that was the height of a skyscraper out of orbit along with part of the city. Knocking an amped Loeb Rulk out with a thunder clap. An empowered Zeus had to pound on WWH to take him out...WWH stomps.
Ill support WWHulk to win here (I did post as such in Page 1 here), but to think its a stomp, against a guy that took on and nearly defeated a Top Level Avengers lineup, just doesnt make any sense to me. Zero.
Originally posted by DTM
Truth be told, if it werent for vast inexperience Nefaria had with his power against the Avengers, he probably would have beaten them, and to me, would beat WWHulk as well.
If you are basing your judgment on Nef fights against the Avengers then that should give you more reason on the Hulk winning. The Hulk showing against the Avengers is better imo.
Originally posted by Horrificus
I am going to have to read a few stories over again before the weekend, because I am seeing a lot of posts with "facts" that do not ring true, according to memory. Lots of bs, exaggerations and flat-out lies.We will see.
Yeah, nothing beats first hand reading.
But if you want more scans than what I've posted, just ask.
I have his Thunderboilts showings too.
Originally posted by carver9
If you are basing your judgment on Nef fights against the Avengers then that should give you more reason on the Hulk winning. The Hulk showing against the Avengers is better imo.
Id pick that team of Avengers over WWHulk, and I think I did in the other thread that had that same fight. 🙂
Thor vs. WWHulk is a Very Close match, adding in Iron Man, Wonder Man, Capt America, Vision, Scarlet Witch and Black Panther, only seals the deal for me.
Originally posted by DTM
Id pick that team of Avengers over WWHulk, and I think I did in the other thread that had that same fight. 🙂Thor vs. WWHulk is a Very Close match, adding in Iron Man, Wonder Man, Capt America, Vision, Scarlet Witch and Black Panther, only seals the deal for me.
Don't know why when Hulk has done better against the Avengers than Nef.
It's your opinion on Thor and WWH...its your opinion on WWH vs the team as well.