Nefaria does well against The Avengers, but that's a group of heroes holding back. Thor always holds back when he's on earth.
Hulk on the other hand does not.
I still think that Nefaria would win given that he starts out a lot stronger, but it would not surprise me if the Hulk grab a couple of wins off of him.
Originally posted by Horrificus
He would have to be in the DD and there would have to be a wish machine aiding him.Nefaria for the win.
1. Not insulting you or anything, but you have to re-read the comic. The wish had no effect on the Hulk's performance. He could have done that in Nevada. This was before he ever went into the Dark Dimension.
2. The punch that Simon gave Nefaria visibly stunned him, this is not something that would even register with the Hulk in all all out battle that he could do anything without reprisals type of match. The Hulk would lay Nefaria out. Or Nefaria would run when he realized that none of his best punches were doing any damage to the Hulk at levels that he just didn't care anymore about hurting innocent civilians.
Originally posted by cdtm
I bet Thor could have taken him on his own, if he was serious about it.
good point.
Originally posted by curryman
Nefaria does well against The Avengers, but that's a group of heroes holding back. Thor always holds back when he's on earth.Hulk on the other hand does not.
I still think that Nefaria would win given that he starts out a lot stronger, but it would not surprise me if the Hulk grab a couple of wins off of him.
You have no idea what you're saying. Bruce always holds back, or things would get way out of control. The Hulk isn't a villain, nor has he ever been portrayed that way.
Originally posted by Stoic
You have no idea what you're saying. Bruce always holds back, or things would get way out of control. The Hulk isn't a villain, nor has he ever been portrayed that way.
He has been portrayed as a villain many times...
Nor do you need to be a villain to stop holding back.
You have no idea what you're saying.
Originally posted by currymanBased off of what is nefaria stronger ?
Nefaria does well against The Avengers, but that's a group of heroes holding back. Thor always holds back when he's on earth.Hulk on the other hand does not.
I still think that Nefaria would win given that he starts out a lot stronger, but it would not surprise me if the Hulk grab a couple of wins off of him.
Originally posted by Eternal IdolNo, he clearly does not. Hulk's been battled tested whereas Nefaria was a noob. The scans also show he's in awe of Thor's power during the fight. LOL.
Again, you're acting like this is an elite fighter against a novice. It's not. Nefaria's no elite fighter either, but he knows enough to negate any slight skill advantage Hulk would have.WWH beat Rhino-Juggernaut. WOW.
And then he got his ass kicked by a partially restored Juggernaut before Xavier distracted him and allowed Hulk the opportunity to trip and shove him aside before getting as far away from there as possible. Very impressive indeed.
WW Hulk defeated Juggs depowered and at full power. This is right after he went through the mutants as well. Awesome showing. A guy in awe of Thor's power isn't beating a battle tested Hulk. Sorry.
Originally posted by carver9
What wish was made for him to destroy a planet, Mindless Ones, Heralds, and moons with a punch. Scan please.
Originally posted by Stoic
1. Not insulting you or anything, but you have to re-read the comic. The wish had no effect on the Hulk's performance. He could have done that in Nevada. This was before he ever went into the Dark Dimension.
OK guys, I will take another look. No problem.
Originally posted by StoicWell, remember that Simon, back then, was being hyped for a future as one of the strongest characters out there. He was shown to have top durability and Mjolnir-level punches. Classic Wonder Man could definitely hurt any incarnation of Hulk.
2. The punch that Simon gave Nefaria visibly stunned him, this is not something that would even register with the Hulk in all all out battle that he could do anything without reprisals type of match. The Hulk would lay Nefaria out. Or Nefaria would run when he realized that none of his best punches were doing any damage to the Hulk at levels that he just didn't care anymore about hurting innocent civilians.
Also, and most importantly, Simon was kind of nuts back then and was not exactly wrapped tight enough to hold back. He was a much more interesting character and, in a lot of ways, much more dangerous than he is now. He was one of the earliest characters to be "Mentally Unstable".
Originally posted by Horrificus
OK guys, I will take another look. No problem.Well, remember that Simon, back then, was being hyped for a future as one of the strongest characters out there. He was shown to have top durability and Mjolnir-level punches. Classic Wonder Man could definitely hurt any incarnation of Hulk.
Also, and most importantly, Simon was kind of nuts back then and was not exactly wrapped tight enough to hold back. He was a much more interesting character and, in a lot of ways, much more dangerous than he is now. He was one of the earliest characters to be "Mentally Unstable".
Classic Wonder Man was high herald in terms of strength!
Yes, I said it!
Originally posted by HorrificusWell, remember that Simon, back then, was being hyped for a future as one of the strongest characters out there. He was shown to have top durability and Mjolnir-level punches.
That was Avengers 9. wasn't it?
His punches were called Mjolnir level, yet the captions also said the best his hardest punch could do is knock Thor off his feet, and not really hurt him. (And that's on a sucker punch.)
Originally posted by Horrificus
OK guys, I will take another look. No problem.Well, remember that Simon, back then, was being hyped for a future as one of the strongest characters out there. He was shown to have top durability and Mjolnir-level punches. Classic Wonder Man could definitely hurt any incarnation of Hulk.
Also, and most importantly, Simon was kind of nuts back then and was not exactly wrapped tight enough to hold back. He was a much more interesting character and, in a lot of ways, much more dangerous than he is now. He was one of the earliest characters to be "Mentally Unstable".
Back then Simon couldn't lift Thor's weight in the gym while training.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Classic Wonder Man was high herald in terms of strength!Yes, I said it!
No he wasn't, he was always just slightly stronger than the Thing.
Classic Wonder-Man was most definitely closer to Thor/Hulk than Thing. He was right between Thor/Hulk and Namor. Basically the Wonder Woman version of Marvel.
During the Englehart, West Coast, and solo series era, with the whole mental blocks shit, I think he was temporarily on par with Thor/Hulk, but that didn't last long.
Originally posted by cdtm
His punches were called Mjolnir level, yet the captions also said the best his hardest punch could do is knock Thor off his feet, and not really hurt him. (And that's on a sucker punch.)
The thing is, on average, Mjolnir is just a third fist for Thor. It makes no sense, and Mjolnir comes off looking like a real shitty hammer, but that's just the way it is.
There's no real other option for writers. For a very long time, Thor wasn't just the most powerful hero in Marvel, he was arguably the strongest (Contesting the Hulk for the number one position), there was no real way to have him be on that level yet possess a realistic hammer weapon.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The thing is, on average, Mjolnir is just a third fist for Thor. It makes no sense, and Mjolnir comes off looking like a real shitty hammer, but that's just the way it is.There's no real other option for writers. For a very long time, Thor wasn't just the most powerful hero in Marvel, he was arguably the strongest (Contesting the Hulk for the number one position), there was no real way to have him be on that level yet possess a realistic hammer weapon.
Nefaria lacks the experience to exploit his powers and He was dying on the arc.
If We put this same inexperienced Nefaria vs WWH, Hulk could win more often than not after a very good battle.
Nefaria is such a noob with his power that he will probably let WWH to take a free shots at him while smiling like Sentry did.
Originally posted by abhilegend
You can repeat mjolnir=thor's fist for some more years if you like. Maybe someone would be foolish enough to believe that after so much repetition.
I'm not making this up. Sit down and read through Thor, if you think my opinion is something I made up out of thin air, you'd be wrong.
Energy charged Mjolnir throws > energy charged Mjolnir blows > Mjolnir Throws/Blows > Mjolnir Blows on average = Thor's fists
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The thing is, on average, Mjolnir is just a third fist for Thor. It makes no sense, and Mjolnir comes off looking like a real shitty hammer, but that's just the way it is.There's no real other option for writers. For a very long time, Thor wasn't just the most powerful hero in Marvel, he was arguably the strongest (Contesting the Hulk for the number one position), there was no real way to have him be on that level yet possess a realistic hammer weapon.
So what do you think of Nefaria's chances here?
Personally, I think if Thor and Nef continued to fight 1 vs 1, it would have looked a lot differently then their first round.. How many times has a heavy hitter looked like a scrub, until they started taking the fight more seriously?
And Shellhead did hold his own with him for a bit. Think Thor (Or Hulk) would fare any worse then Nefaria did, in a pure h2h confrontation with IM on overdrive?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I'm not making this up. Sit down and read through Thor, if you think my opinion is something I made up out of thin air, you'd be wrong.Energy charged Mjolnir throws > energy charged Mjolnir blows > Mjolnir Throws/Blows > Mjolnir Blows on average = Thor's fists
Like I said, repeat that for some more years. Someone might be actually foolish enough to believe that.