Cass (Batgirl) vs Captain America

Originally posted by h1a8
I'm just saying that Cass has an easier time tagging Steve then the other way around. I'm not suggesting that it's impossible for Steve to hit Cass or even nigh difficult.

You can't deny the fact that predictive power combined with learning ability (to any style) makes it nigh difficult to land a clean blow.

You realize that Steve has the ability to adaptability to combat styles on the fly as well? When he was fighting Kang against his high-tech alien style of martial arts, Steve not only adapted and learned the style, but even exceeded Kang himself who had nigh infinite time to master the form. People tend to forget that Steve's brain is significantly enhanced in addition to his body.

This is, in all reality, Steve's fight to lose.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Cap is no Karnak, he fights with the very best martial artists Marvel has to offer.

Batgirl got trolled by Joker and had trouble reading DS, Steve would annihilate her.

Originally posted by h1a8
That's the classic lowball highball con game. Quanchi uses that tactic all the time. Also you are citing things outside of context. As far as I can remember Batgirl did well against DS.

You started it.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
You realize that Steve has the ability to adaptability to combat styles on the fly as well? When he was fighting Kang against his high-tech alien style of martial arts, Steve not only adapted and learned the style, but even exceeded Kang himself who had nigh infinite time to master the form. People tend to forget that Steve's brain is significantly enhanced in addition to his body.

This is, in all reality, Steve's fight to lose.

Also predictive abilities>>>>>>>>>>>learning one's style mid battle. She has both these skills in spades.

My initial argument (and current argument) is that steve wins the majority if he doesn't hold back. While Cass wins the majority if Steve holds back ( a female child who is a good guy hero)

Why would Steve hold back in a forum fight?

Obviously, in character, he won't aim to permanently maim her or kill her, but he will try to win.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You started it.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Cap is no Karnak, he fights with the very best martial artists Marvel has to offer.

Batgirl got trolled by Joker and had trouble reading DS, Steve would annihilate her.

Jokers trolled just about everyone. He's the Homer Simpson to Dooms Harold Grimes, with all the times he's gained ultimate power and dicked around omnipotents without even trying.

Originally posted by cdtm
Jokers trolled just about everyone.

Not in h2h combat he doesn't.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Not in h2h combat he doesn't.

Sometimes he put up a fight, but that's it. Bane is a challenge.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Sometimes he put up a fight, but that's it. Bane is a challenge.

He lost that fight with Cass. 😉

Even if we take at face value that she couldn't read Joker because his body language was completely divorced from his intent, she did manage to think her way past it. And there's no defending how she didn't even try to overwhelm him with sheer offense, when without her body reading she was skilled and quick enough to sucker punch ko Shiva with a broken arm, as she was staring right at her.

Cap wins, Cassi maybe quicker than Cap but she is no superhuman like Cap though, Cap is stronger, faster, more experience and just as skilled or more so.

Originally posted by the Darkone
Cap wins, Cassi maybe quicker than Cap but she is no superhuman like Cap though, Cap is stronger, faster, more experience and just as skilled or more so.

I don't think regular humans can jump as high as Cass. Nightwing needed gear to reach the height of a skyscraper, but Cass simply jumped.

Originally posted by the Darkone
Cap wins, Cassi maybe quicker than Cap but she is no superhuman like Cap though, Cap is stronger, faster, more experience and just as skilled or more so.

Originally posted by Golgo13
I don't think regular humans can jump as high as Cass. Nightwing needed gear to reach the height of a skyscraper, but Cass simply jumped.

Cap is no regular human 😉 , he is superhuman especially with his feats which dwarfs cass, hows jumping is going to help cass recover from a head shot or nerves strike by Cap. Caps punches has affect beings like Namor, Thor, Hulk etc, and his reflexes are superhuman also, because cass is a girl doesn't mean Cap wont put her on her a$$.

Originally posted by h1a8
Yeah if that was only the case then it's a clear victory for Cap. But the other factors are Cass's predictive ability and her learning ability that play a significant role.

Avengers#53(468)

Marcus: Initial analysis indicates that they are using the inchoate energies within the pyramid to duplicate our simulacrum-projection technology, though how skilled can they---

Kang: Enough, do not underestimate them. Captain America is an astounding warrior-- he has never fought under these conditions before--but already he adapts- mastering the form more completely than many who’ve trained for decades, it is what makes him such a worthy foe

Originally posted by the Darkone
Caps punches has affect beings like Namor, Thor, Hulk etc,

PR, this is pretty much what I was on about. 😱

Cap's punches affect Namor, Thor, and Hulk, and that's not written off as PIS.

It's like trying to use Shiva affecting Supergirl seriously. ¬¬

Originally posted by the Darkone
Cap is no regular human 😉 , he is superhuman especially with his feats which dwarfs cass, hows jumping is going to help cass recover from a head shot or nerves strike by Cap. Caps punches has affect beings like Namor, Thor, Hulk etc, and his reflexes are superhuman also, because cass is a girl doesn't mean Cap wont put her on her a$$.

Duh, I know Cap is an enhanced super soldier, but my point us Cass is no regular human as well. Regular humans, hell regular streets don't do what she does.

Originally posted by Golgo13
I don't think regular humans can jump as high as Cass. Nightwing needed gear to reach the height of a skyscraper, but Cass simply jumped.

I've seen that feat your interpretation is way off. Steve has better jumping feats then Cass.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
I've seen that feat your interpretation is way off. Steve has better jumping feats then Cass.

I've been looking for it, but can't find it. Mind posting it?