Originally posted by The Fat Rambo
He broke Georges neck with one punch. This is more power than Rocky ever displayed. Damage soak is close, prolly Mickey since he took bare fists. Speed? Mickey.
-Think that was his jaw, but yes, Rocky's never floored a guy with a single hit to my recollection. So KO-power to Mickey.
-Damage soak goes to Rocky and it's not even close. Mickey did a few minutes with George and then 4 rounds in his last fight, though it was a brutal 4 rounds. Rocky has 6 films and multiple matches in some of them. Which includes taking a beating from an enhanced Drago who killed Apollo and his own street fight in that crap-fest Rocky 5 which included taking knee-shots and kicks.
-Stamina goes to Rocky as we have him going the distance in several matches and little info for Mickey in this area.
-Speed is probably about even, possibly edge to Mickey.
imo, either Mickey gets through Rocky's superhuman ability to take punches very early in or he winds out and Rocky wins later on.
Originally posted by RobtardI can go with this.
-Think that was his jaw, but yes, Rocky's never floored a guy with a single hit to my recollection. So KO-power to Mickey.-Damage soak goes to Rocky and it's not even close. Mickey did a few minutes with George and then 4 rounds in his last fight, though it was a brutal 4 rounds. Rocky has 6 films and multiple matches in some of them. Which includes taking a beating from an enhanced Drago who killed Apollo and his own street fight in that crap-fest Rocky 5 which included taking knee-shots and kicks.
-Stamina goes to Rocky as we have him going the distance in several matches and little info for Mickey in this area.
-Speed is probably about even, possibly edge to Mickey.
imo, either Mickey gets through Rocky's superhuman ability to take punches very early in or he winds out and Rocky wins later on.
Originally posted by Robtard
-Think that was his jaw, but yes, Rocky's never floored a guy with a single hit to my recollection. So KO-power to Mickey.-Damage soak goes to Rocky and it's not even close. Mickey did a few minutes with George and then 4 rounds in his last fight, though it was a brutal 4 rounds. Rocky has 6 films and multiple matches in some of them. Which includes taking a beating from an enhanced Drago who killed Apollo and his own street fight in that crap-fest Rocky 5 which included taking knee-shots and kicks.
-Stamina goes to Rocky as we have him going the distance in several matches and little info for Mickey in this area.
-Speed is probably about even, possibly edge to Mickey.
imo, either Mickey gets through Rocky's superhuman ability to take punches very early in or he winds out and Rocky wins later on.
Here's a vid of Mickey's fight with George. Near the end, you see someone checking George's pulse and hear Statham's character mention that unless George gets up in the next few mins, they'll have a problem explaining how they ended up with a dead man, and IIRC, he never got up. As for stamina, I don't think it would matter since Mickey was able to knock out everyone he fought with a single punch whenever he wanted. He only started lasting longer rounds because he was specifically told not to end the fight with one punch. I'm going to have to find a copy of the movie to get more info. Been some time since I watched it.
As for damage soak, he might not have had as many matches and rounds as Rocky, but I don't recall Rocky ever having to take as much bare knuckled damage as this:
Originally posted by FrothByteGeorge didn't die after getting punched by mickey iirc he is seen later in the movie.
Here's a vid of Mickey's fight with George. Near the end, you see someone checking George's pulse and hear Statham's character mention that unless George gets up in the next few mins, they'll have a problem explaining how they ended up with a dead man, and IIRC, he never got up. As for stamina, I don't think it would matter since Mickey was able to knock out everyone he fought with a single punch whenever he wanted. He only started lasting longer rounds because he was specifically told not to end the fight with one punch. I'm going to have to find a copy of the movie to get more info. Been some time since I watched it.
Originally posted by Dolos
Anyway this must be a joke. Ivan Drago can hit a thousand times harder and KILL PROFESSIONAL CHAMPS with GLOVES!!Mickey the Pickey? Ahah. Rocky is like like a piece of iron.
Ivan Drago was never able to knockout other boxers with a single punch (at least from what I remember). His first few punches to Apollo Creed rocked Apollo, but didn't even knock him down. It was only after numerous hits that he killed Apollo. Mickey knocked people out cold with one punch. And this is true KO, not TKO not "too dizzy to get up after a 10 count" not "unable to continue the fight". Knocked out cold and ended up in the hospital (I revoke my previous statement of death). Ivan Drago was the strongest puncher that Rocky has faced but not even Drago could boast of one-punch knockouts.
As for gloves, Mickey has the same knockout power even wearing gloves.
Boxing skills, well we'll never know the extent of Mickey's boxing skills since no one ever took him to the limit. But Rocky's boxing skills... it's not as if he moves like Mayweather or Ali or even prime Tyson. Rocky was a straight up slugger who liked to trade punches (learned to box better by Rocky 3 but forgot all about it in Rocky 4). Rocky will walk up to Mickey and eat up all his punches.
Fact is, Rocky has never gone up against someone with as much knockout power as Mickey. Even if Rocky wasn't KO'd with the first punch, I doubt he can survive multiple punches of that power.
Here's Mickey fighting with gloves:
Originally posted by FrothByte
Ivan Drago was never able to knockout other boxers with a single punch (at least from what I remember). His first few punches to Apollo Creed rocked Apollo, but didn't even knock him down. It was only after numerous hits that he killed Apollo. Mickey knocked people out cold with one punch. And this is true KO, not TKO not "too dizzy to get up after a 10 count" not "unable to continue the fight". Knocked out cold and ended up in the hospital (I revoke my previous statement of death). Ivan Drago was the strongest puncher that Rocky has faced but not even Drago could boast of one-punch knockouts.As for gloves, Mickey has the same knockout power even wearing gloves.
Boxing skills, well we'll never know the extent of Mickey's boxing skills since no one ever took him to the limit. But Rocky's boxing skills... it's not as if he moves like Mayweather or Ali or even prime Tyson. Rocky was a straight up slugger who liked to trade punches (learned to box better by Rocky 3 but forgot all about it in Rocky 4). Rocky will walk up to Mickey and eat up all his punches.
Fact is, Rocky has never gone up against someone with as much knockout power as Mickey. Even if Rocky wasn't KO'd with the first punch, I doubt he can survive multiple punches of that power.
Here's Mickey fighting with gloves:
Already seen the movie a hundred times.
The Pickey's were hustled money. Mickey just happened to be a pro bare knuckle boxer who fought a lot and had a lot of rage. Apollo was The Heavyweight Champion of the World, a better fighter, a more skilled fighter, who has fought hundreds of people. Mickey only fought amateurs who weren't even cut out for pro boxing, they were cut from leather and Apollo was cut from sway. Mickey only ko'd amateurs. The King of Sting would smoke this fool's ass.
Drago was on the roids, he'd butcher pretty much anyone in a street fight. His strength, man, you best have a ****ing gun because I don't see any ****ing point in arguing a win for anyone that isn't like a Watchmen Human.
And Rocky? Rocky was a neanderthal, no coordination, no motivation, no education, he didn't use his brain and it went to waste. But I'll tell you one thing, that man was a survivor. He was hungry, broken, and he didn't have anything but Man Strength. Give him just a little confidence and he goes the distance against Apollo, give him a little confidence and break him down and make him more desperate, he's a ****ing killer. You think all that rage is going to help that ****ing toothpick, Rocky has a certain level of killer instinct. Not to mention the insane damage soak and pain tolerance demonstrated in his fight with Drago. Rocky is in a whole other world, he's in a league of his own. After training to fight Drago, again, you'd need something like Holmes Vision or just forget it.
Aahaha, look at how skinny that Mickey's ribs are, say goodnight Mickey. Rocky would look at those ribs and go, "mmmmm".
Originally posted by Robtard
-Think that was his jaw, but yes, Rocky's never floored a guy with a single hit to my recollection. So KO-power to Mickey.-Damage soak goes to Rocky and it's not even close. Mickey did a few minutes with George and then 4 rounds in his last fight, though it was a brutal 4 rounds. Rocky has 6 films and multiple matches in some of them. Which includes taking a beating from an enhanced Drago who killed Apollo and his own street fight in that crap-fest Rocky 5 which included taking knee-shots and kicks.
-Stamina goes to Rocky as we have him going the distance in several matches and little info for Mickey in this area.
-Speed is probably about even, possibly edge to Mickey.
imo, either Mickey gets through Rocky's superhuman ability to take punches very early in or he winds out and Rocky wins later on.
Mickey fought AMATEURS. Fricken AMATEURS. Never took a beating like Rocky in Rocky I, III, or IV - with the ferocity and skill of opponents in consideration here, bare-knuckle is a non-factor.
You have to put things into perspective here, take IP Man for example, he fought some heavyweight champ and his kung fu just barely pulled it off. Not so super human any more.
By Rocky III, Rocky had superior technique, superior agility, superior stamina, he had always had superior punching POWER, and by Rocky III he demonstrated champ levels of coordination, especially after training with Apollo, he'd cleaned up, so accuracy goes to him as well.
As per Rocky IV, his peak, he either wins a fight, or he dies. And with Mickey beat in every conceivable way, by a mile, conditioning, skill, rage, killer instinct, punching power, Rocky is LEAGUES ahead. Rocky would cream him in moments.
In Rocky IV he rushed the Russian spending crazy amounts of energy and fought his way to the ribs, getting CREAMED in the process. He should have been DEAD with a 1st round like that. 15th round he pushed his mortality to the limit, somehow he KOed the ****er. The **** can anyone do to that? Nothing!
Achilles has a better shot in a street fight with Peak Rocky than Mickey. At least Achilles was tuned into a higher cognizance during fights, like Holmes meditation or Ozymandias. Then you have Rocky, pretty much a warrior like Hector, Leonidas and Comedian, the ultimate fighting man, one man who fought his whole life just to make some money he's useless at everything else, you best believe he's a piece of iron born to fight. Mickey is no tank.
Rocky did worse to better fighters in the beginning of Rocky III. Mickey wasn't drawing that last fight out, he had faith in the Pickeys to kill the main baddy and his lackeys waiting outside. He displayed some damage soak knocked the amateur out sure, big whoop.
Originally posted by DolosDrago broke Creed's neck while wearing gloves. Mickey broke dude's neck while wearing gloves. And while drunk.
Anyway this must be a joke. Ivan Drago can hit a thousand times harder and KILL PROFESSIONAL CHAMPS with GLOVES!!Mickey the Pickey? Ahah. Rocky is like like a piece of iron.