Mickey the Pickey vs Rocky

Originally posted by Dolos
Mickey fought AMATEURS. Fricken AMATEURS. Never took a beating like Rocky in Rocky I, III, or IV - with the ferocity and skill of opponents in consideration here, bare-knuckle is a non-factor.

You have to put things into perspective here, take IP Man for example, he fought some heavyweight champ and his kung fu just barely pulled it off. Not so super human any more.

By Rocky III, Rocky had superior technique, superior agility, superior stamina, he had always had superior punching POWER, and by Rocky III he demonstrated champ levels of coordination, especially after training with Apollo, he'd cleaned up, so accuracy goes to him as well.

As per Rocky IV, his peak, he either wins a fight, or he dies. And with Mickey beat in every conceivable way, by a mile, conditioning, skill, rage, killer instinct, punching power, Rocky is LEAGUES ahead. Rocky would cream him in moments.

In Rocky IV he rushed the Russian spending crazy amounts of energy and fought his way to the ribs, getting CREAMED in the process. He should have been DEAD with a 1st round like that. 15th round he pushed his mortality to the limit, somehow he KOed the ****er. The **** can anyone do to that? Nothing!

Achilles has a better shot in a street fight with Peak Rocky than Mickey. At least Achilles was tuned into a higher cognizance during fights, like Holmes meditation or Ozymandias. Then you have Rocky, pretty much a warrior like Hector, Leonidas and Comedian, the ultimate fighting man, one man who fought his whole life just to make some money he's useless at everything else, you best believe he's a piece of iron born to fight. Mickey is no tank.

Rocky did worse to better fighters in the beginning of Rocky III. Mickey wasn't drawing that last fight out, he had faith in the Pickeys to kill the main baddy and his lackeys waiting outside. He displayed some damage soak knocked the amateur out sure, big whoop.

There's no way to know how amateur those underground fighters were, for all we know they could have had 50 fights under them. The last one Mickey fights showed boxing skills. But Mickey does have KO power and it's specifically stated that he's the Pikey bare-knuckle champion. "Which makes him harder than a coffin nail." -Turkish

Ip Man was a fun, but a silly fantasized film.

Yeah, Rocky is great. Didn't say otherwise.

See above.

See above.

Achilles didn't do much to show he's some highly skilled boxer. So no.

Mickey was playing with the guy in his last fight, it's clear he could have one-shot KO'd him whenever he wanted. If your ultimate point is "Rocky stomps", then I disagree. I do favor Rocky in this, just that it won't be some massacre for Mickey.

Originally posted by Dolos
Mickey fought AMATEURS. Fricken AMATEURS. Never took a beating like Rocky in Rocky I, III, or IV - with the ferocity and skill of opponents in consideration here, bare-knuckle is a non-factor.

You have to put things into perspective here, take IP Man for example, he fought some heavyweight champ and his kung fu just barely pulled it off. Not so super human any more.

By Rocky III, Rocky had superior technique, superior agility, superior stamina, he had always had superior punching POWER, and by Rocky III he demonstrated champ levels of coordination, especially after training with Apollo, he'd cleaned up, so accuracy goes to him as well.

As per Rocky IV, his peak, he either wins a fight, or he dies. And with Mickey beat in every conceivable way, by a mile, conditioning, skill, rage, killer instinct, punching power, Rocky is LEAGUES ahead. Rocky would cream him in moments.

In Rocky IV he rushed the Russian spending crazy amounts of energy and fought his way to the ribs, getting CREAMED in the process. He should have been DEAD with a 1st round like that. 15th round he pushed his mortality to the limit, somehow he KOed the ****er. The **** can anyone do to that? Nothing!

Achilles has a better shot in a street fight with Peak Rocky than Mickey. At least Achilles was tuned into a higher cognizance during fights, like Holmes meditation or Ozymandias. Then you have Rocky, pretty much a warrior like Hector, Leonidas and Comedian, the ultimate fighting man, one man who fought his whole life just to make some money he's useless at everything else, you best believe he's a piece of iron born to fight. Mickey is no tank.

Rocky did worse to better fighters in the beginning of Rocky III. Mickey wasn't drawing that last fight out, he had faith in the Pickeys to kill the main baddy and his lackeys waiting outside. He displayed some damage soak knocked the amateur out sure, big whoop.

How do you know they were amateurs? They were supposedly ranked fighters. It was an underground fight circuit so you won't get the same flair and flamboyance as sport boxing. Doesn't mean to say they weren't skilled.

I would have considered your argument somewhat valid if you had not mentioned that "Mickey wasn't drawing that last fight out". You said you've watched the movie multiple times, then it should have been obvious that Mickey could have knocked out the guy at any point, but still chose to heed Statham's advice and get beat up. That shows a great deal of damage soak and stamina. Maybe not as much Rocky, but still pretty good.

I do think you're not giving bareknuckled boxing it's due respect. Bareknuckle boxers go through way more punishment than sport pro boxers. I don't believe they have as much stamina, as you don't see bareknuckled boxing go through 12 rounds (though I heard that back in the day some matches could go on for a full hour straight) but the amount of damage you can take without gloves is nothing to take lightly.

I'll say it again. Rocky has never faced anyone who could knockout another fighter with a single blow. Rocky has never been capable of knocking out other fighters with a single blow. Do I think Rocky will get knocked out with a single blow? No. He's tougher than that. But I seriously doubt Rocky can survive multiple rounds with a guy with knockout power like that.

once rocky 3 rolled around, all the cocaine and steroids made him unbeatable.

Originally posted by FrothByte
How do you know they were amateurs? They were supposedly ranked fighters. It was an underground fight circuit so you won't get the same flair and flamboyance as sport boxing. Doesn't mean to say they weren't skilled.

I would have considered your argument somewhat valid if you had not mentioned that "Mickey wasn't drawing that last fight out". You said you've watched the movie multiple times, then it should have been obvious that Mickey could have knocked out the guy at any point, but still chose to heed Statham's advice and get beat up. That shows a great deal of damage soak and stamina. Maybe not as much Rocky, but still pretty good.

I do think you're not giving bareknuckled boxing it's due respect. Bareknuckle boxers go through way more punishment than sport pro boxers. I don't believe they have as much stamina, as you don't see bareknuckled boxing go through 12 rounds (though I heard that back in the day some matches could go on for a full hour straight) but the amount of damage you can take without gloves is nothing to take lightly.

I'll say it again. Rocky has never faced anyone who could knockout another fighter with a single blow. Rocky has never been capable of knocking out other fighters with a single blow. Do I think Rocky will get knocked out with a single blow? No. He's tougher than that. But I seriously doubt Rocky can survive multiple rounds with a guy with knockout power like that.

....against old worn out has-beens/never-beens with no real skill or speed.
(One of which KO'd Mickey in a way that if in a licenced bout would have counted as a win)
Call me back when Mickey beats Apollo Creed.

The eye of the tiger rings out as Rocky prevails.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
....against old worn out has-beens/never-beens with no real skill or speed.
(One of which KO'd Mickey in a way that if in a licenced bout would have counted as a win)
Call me back when Mickey beats Apollo Creed.

The eye of the tiger rings out as Rocky prevails.

Originally posted by The Fat Rambo
👆 Even Drago did not punch with such deadly efficiency as Mickey did.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
....against old worn out has-beens/never-beens with no real skill or speed.
(One of which KO'd Mickey in a way that if in a licenced bout would have counted as a win)
Call me back when Mickey beats Apollo Creed.

The eye of the tiger rings out as Rocky prevails.

And of course you have absolutely zero proof of just how good those fighters were.

Call me back when Rocky (or any of his opponents) is able to knockout a guy with a single punch.

Mickey you so fine, hey Mickey!

this is fast going to turn into brad pitt butt worship

Originally posted by Male Model
Mickey you so fine, hey Mickey!

/thread, and thank you.

YouTube video

Rocky wins, get over it, nerds.

Originally posted by FrothByte
And of course you have absolutely zero proof of just how good those fighters were.

Call me back when Rocky (or any of his opponents) is able to knockout a guy with a single punch.

Originally posted by FrothByte
And of course you have absolutely zero proof of just how good those fighters were.

Call me back when Rocky (or any of his opponents) is able to knockout a guy with a single punch.

Lack of proof for George and Mickey's two other opponents does not supersede the proof we have with how good/superior Rocky's opponents were.

R1- World Champion
R2 - World Champion
R3 - World Champion
R4 - Super enhanced Russian who killed a former World Champion and had an amateur record of 100-0-0 and had a punch "measured between 1850-2150psi"
R5- World Champion (this is old and worn old Rocky)
R6 - World Champion (Rocky didn't win, but he showed he still had his chin and could hang, despite being 60 and long retired)

But just using the word "champion" doesn't automatically make them better than the boxers in Snatch. I mean, Mikey was a bareknuckle champion, meaning that he had to win his championship from a former champion, meaning that he had to defend his title against multiple first contenders.

Sport boxing has more publicity and has a decent ranking system such that we get a good idea of the skills of fighters. Bareknuckle boxing has no such luxury, but that doesn't mean they're not just as good.

Originally posted by FrothByte
But just using the word "champion" doesn't automatically make them better than the boxers in Snatch. I mean, Mikey was a bareknuckle champion, meaning that he had to win his championship from a former champion, meaning that he had to defend his title against multiple first contenders.

Sport boxing has more publicity and has a decent ranking system such that we get a good idea of the skills of fighters. Bareknuckle boxing has no such luxury, but that doesn't mean they're not just as good.

I've not downplayed Mickey in here, I've preached of his ability in here.

But his opponents are all but unknown as far as skill, power durability. George didn't do much and seemed to rely on nothing except his large size, 2nd fighter didn't do anything since he was dropped right off and the last guy had 4 rounds of some decent scrappy boxing.

Rocky, we have a much better picture.

To me it comes down to Rocky's chin, which is apparently nigh unbreakable when he's at peak. So after a long fight, he wins.

right so what have we learned today?

that professional boxing heavyweight champions, amped up with ridiculous strength for the sake of fictional drama, with others who are even so amped up that they can one-punch-kill another heavyweight champion....well they are just no match for homoerotic brad pitt worship. NOT EVEN CLOSE. mikey wins. and he's so sexy.

Originally posted by Robtard
I've not downplayed Mickey in here, I've preached of his ability in here.

But his opponents are all but unknown as far as skill, power durability. George didn't do much and seemed to rely on nothing except his large size, 2nd fighter didn't do anything since he was dropped right off and the last guy had 4 rounds of some decent scrappy boxing.

Rocky, we have a much better picture.

To me it comes down to Rocky's chin, which is apparently nigh unbreakable when he's at peak. So after a long fight, he wins.

I guess what it then comes down to is Rocky's chin vs. Mikey's power... but then I'd still put my vote on Mikey for 3 reasons:

1. Rocky's chin maybe tough, but he's still human after all and any person is capable of getting knocked out with the right angled punch with the right power. The stronger hitting fighters that Rocky fought (Drago) were sluggers and didn't exactly have pinpoint accuracy with their punches, even if they were strong. I'd like to think of Mickey as a combination of punching power and accuracy.

but even if Mickey doesn't knock him out:

2. There's a good chance that at the end of the fight, Mickey can beat him in points. Rocky isn't a technical boxer (other than Rocky III), and he usually eats more punches than he delivers. Seeing as Mickey is pretty agile when he wants to be, I'd say he puts in more points.

or

3. Referee stops the match due to TKO. Rocky might not get knocked out, but he can definitely get cut. And as much heart as Rocky has if the Referee believes that he's taking too much punches, he can stop the fight.

Of course that's just me. These two guys have so little common ground that a proper debate can be made for both sides.

1) Rocky's taken barrages of hits that would have KO'd or killed two men. He's literally superhuman in the ring in terms of punch absorption.

2) There's little to suggest Mickey could last into later rounds. The opposite if anything, since by most appearances his fights end early in.

3) Rocky's never suffered from this before iirc

Mickey broke a man's neck with a single punch. The punch wasn't even a power punch. Keep ignoring this.

Originally posted by The Fat Rambo
Mickey broke a man's neck with a single punch. The punch wasn't even a power punch. Keep ignoring this.

Ignoring? We covered that on the first page of this thread; 6th post. Mickey broke George's jaw; why George's mouth was wired shut.

Why are you ignoring that we covered this already?

Why are you ignoring that Rocky's jaw is above and beyond George's?

Why are you ignoring the laundry list of beatings Rocky has survived?

Why are you ignoring the superiority of Rocky's opponents over Mickey's opponents?

but he KNOCKED A GUY'S HEAD OFF!!!!