Rakatan Infinite Empire, The Most Powerful Dark Side Order

This ancient, space-faring species was native to the planet Lehon which was a temperate terrestrial world located within the Unknown Regions, a section of the galaxy uncharted by other species. They would establish the Infinite Empire that was centred around their homeworld of Lehon. However, it was only the decline of the Celestials influence in 35,000 BBY before the Galactic Republic that allowed a new power to enter into the galactic stage. Centuries before the scholars on Tython, the Rakata had discovered the Force and mastered it. This period marked the height of the reign of the Rakata. From Lehon, the Rakata used Force-based hyperdrives that allowed their vessels to journey to worlds with a strong Force signature. Some hypotheses over the hyperspace turbulence in the Unknown Regions claim that it was created to serve as a barrier between the Celestials and the upstart Rakata. This Rakatan empire would expand by thousands of light years in every direction. By circa 30,000 BBY, the Force-using Rakata had tunneled through hyperspace in order to lay claim to a modest "Infinite Empire". Their extensive civilization was spread across countless star systems and was much larger in size by later era empires.

Through the use of dark side-fueled technologies such as Force-powered hyperdrive, the Builders formed the Infinite Empire which dominated known space for thousands of years. Many of the most prominent worlds of the galaxy were included in this empire, such as, Corellia, Honoghr, Generis, Hijarna, Xo, and Dantooine falling under their dominion. However, their hyperdrives could only visit worlds possessing strong force signatures, making their empire have few worlds and much space between each. This haphazard nature of their empire allowed for numerous other civilizations to flourish, and loose confederacies of other civilizations managed to develop in the spaces between Rakatan worlds through the use of dangerous as well as unpredictable hyperdrive technology.

During their expansion, the Infinite Empire's forces managed to defeat this era's other great powers which included the Gree Enclave and the Kwa Holdings. The Rakata had fought bitter conflicts against the Gree and drove them back to their home cluster and nearly exterminated the Kwa. According to the beliefs of the Nightsisters, the usage of the Kwa Infinity Gates created unnatural voids and wounds to Dathomir that saw the Spirits call the Infinite Empire to the planet. Their arrival decimated the Kwa who were transformed into an animal state by the action of the Spirits. With their victory, the Rakata took Dathomir under their rule and even transported the native rancors to their homeworld of Lehon as curiosities. The powerful, Force-wielding Rakata may have even displaced the most advanced species of that time period, including the Killiks of Alderaan and the Sharu of the Rafa system, during their meteoric rise to power. Among the other noted achievement made by the Rakata was the capture of the World Razer and imprisoning it within the core of a prison world that was Belsavis.

The Infinite Empire

Being a war-like and cruel race, the greater dangers posed by the Rakata was the fact that they were strong in the Force along with being technologically advanced. They were known to enslave or wipe out every civilization they encountered. They were also known to have had been both cruel and manipulative masters of those they enslaved. At its height, the Empire governed 500 worlds and its population numbered ten billion Rakatan warriors and one trillion slaves. Among its conquests were the Selkath of Manaan, Wookiees of Kashyyyk, Kumumgah of Tatooine, Noghri of Honoghr, and the natives of the Corellian sector. This saw the likes of humans, Duros, Selonians, and Drall, along with the Selkath being enslaved for millennia. By transporting these slave species to new worlds, the Rakata were believed to have inadvertently seeded swaths of the galaxy with sentient life. Furthermore, they made use of Coruscanti Workers and Corellian slaves to create weapons of colossal scale. On Mygeeto millennia ago, beautiful crystal formations were shaped by slaves of the Infinite Empire to commemorate a long-forgotten victory. At its peak, nearly five hundred conquered worlds paid tribute to the Rakata Infinite Empire.

At some unknown point, the Infinite Empire came under threat from a marauding horde of aliens known as the Esh-kha. These aliens raided world after world where they destroyed their inhabitants before continuing their campaign. Such actions led to the loss of several Rakatan slave worlds to the Esh-kha before the Infinite Empire assembled its military might to challenge this threat. The Rakata hated the Esh-kha and refered to them as a plague on the galaxy due to their actions. The resultant conflict engulfed the entire galaxy and led to the near extinction of the Esh-kha. Only a hundred thousand survivors lived by the time the Infinite Empire won the war with these remaining Esh-kha being imprisoned on Belsavis where they were placed in stasis. The technology preserved the species but left them conscious with the Rakata believing that such a punishment would teach the Esh-kha the error of their ways. The reputation of the Esh-kha led to the Infinite Empire even imprisoning Hallow Voice and his peaceful Esh-kha followers on Belsavis. The great victory achieved by the Infinite Empire led to the Rakata creating a monument on the planet Hoth that contained an interactive hologram that spoke of their victory over the Esh-kha.

The Infinite Empire, officially established in 35,000 BBY, dominated pockets of the galaxy for 9,800 years and enslaved numerous developing species including the Dantaris, Duros, Humans, Hutts, Kumumgah, Selkath, Sith, Wookiees and Zhells. At its height, it consisted of more than 500 enslaved-subject worlds with a population of ten billion Rakata and one trillion slaves. At the empire's height in 30,000 BBY, the Rakata had completed the construction of the Star Forge, which was above their homeworld's star of Abo.😉

See, this one actually has an argument for it, unlike your others!

Now, we have very little info on the specific powers of the Rakatan, but there was a giant empire of them! They were very likely the most numerous, though the TOR Sith could've very well passed them, and Dawn of the Jedi shows they have at least some strong individuals.

They aren't some mono-planetary minor order, after all, they ruled the galaxy, though a 'galaxy' much much less explored and colonized than in later eras.

Oooh, wait, I get it! This, the Matukai and ZS threads, it all comes together!

You're a hipster!

Whatever the most popular force using organization of a side, well, pssh, they're too mainstream! It's obviously the most obscure one you can find in Wookiepedia that's the strongest! ... no, wait, not wookiepedia, the item list of KotoR 2! That's where you discover all the factions you mention!

That's why you didn't go for the Sorcerers of Tund or Legion of Lettow ^^

Oh here we go.

I could see this one. Given they apparently had a good deal of the galaxy under their control, I could see weight of numbers and technology bringing them a win.

The Star Forge is impressive enough, I think. Though a Dark Side one has quite a bit of competition due to the number of powerful sects.

Originally posted by Pwned
I could see this one. Given they apparently had a good deal of the galaxy under their control, I could see weight of numbers and technology bringing them a win.

The Star Forge is impressive enough, I think. Though a Dark Side one has quite a bit of competition due to the number of powerful sects.

And they're a full species, and not one held to just a small group of worlds like the Sith, at that. Who even used non-Rakatan force users as 'hounds'.

Later-era military tech is more powerful so some of the others had greater military force, but in raw number of force users they should be way up there.

Originally posted by Q99
See, this one actually has an argument for it, unlike your others!

Now, we have very little info on the specific powers of the Rakatan, but there was a giant empire of them! They were very likely the most numerous, though the TOR Sith could've very well passed them, and Dawn of the Jedi shows they have at least some strong individuals.

They aren't some mono-planetary minor order, after all, they ruled the galaxy, though a 'galaxy' much much less explored and colonized than in later eras.

The Zeison Sha are the most powerful light side order and lets go through the reasons why.

The mind is more powerful then both the body & spirit, i wondered what level were the Zeison Sha on telekinetically?

"I had heard that Zeison Sha are masters of the telekinetic powers, but I was astonished to see that their abilities in this area far surpass those of many Jedi."
―Jedi Master Bodo Baas[src]

And what could a experienced master of telekinesis do i wonder?

It would appear Tulak was also a master of telekinesis. According to Khem Val when the Inquisitor sees the ruins of the Endar Spire, "The great Tulak Hord once pulled a ship this size from the sky."

And coincidentally all Zeison Sha Warriors were masters of telekinesis and other telekinetic powers. Provided with the fact they could fly while pulling down ships. Which is something that little to no jedi have done.

I wonder how many ways is the Zeison Sha's telekinetic ability superior?

Their telekinetic ability was, in many ways, superior to that evidenced by many members of the Jedi Order.

And because of their survival skills and mastery with telekinesis & telekinetic force powers....

They survived the attempts during the Great Jedi Purge to stamp them out, later avoiding Darth Vader and other Jedi hunters.

0% casualties due to the fact there were powerful as well as wise.

Zeison Sha in comparison to the jedi are more powerful due to the listed reasons above 🙂.

Lets go through the reasons why the Matukai order are the most powerful physically, and 2nd most powerful as an light side order.

Distinguished as among the best martial artists in the galaxy, the Matukai made their own bodies the focus of their abilities, and were capable of using physical exercise and discipline as a form of meditation. Keeping their focus inward, Matukai philosophy differed from that of the Jedi Order in that the Jedi saw physical exercise and meditation as separate; however, this inward focus allowed Matukai adherents such a degree of control over their bodies as to develop an otherwise negligible connection to the Force into a far more significant source of strength.[1]

Considered to be masters of their physical bodies, the Matukai were capable of drawing on the force to strengthen and augment their bodies to unnatural limits. In doing this, they could refresh their spirits with a tireless energy that allowed them to exert their bodies far past their unaided physical limits for hours at a time without tiring. Because of this stamina, Matukai were capable of executing physical feats such as tumbling, running, leaping, and complex martial sequences with an astonishing speed described as a "whirlwind" blur of limbs and movement, additionally, this refreshing of spirit augmented the strength and resolve of a Matukai's blows, allowing them feats of strength and power exceeding what their bodies were capable of. In addition to this outward physical mastery, Matukai were known for their inward mastery and self-awareness of their own bodies, and were able to discern wounds, injuries, and sickness with ease. The Matukai learned to purge illness and poison from their bodies, and even become immune to them altogether, to the point where a fully-trained Matukai could shrug off the effects of a normally-fatal sting from a poisonous kouhun. Trained Matukai could also raise or lower their body temperature to survive in hot or cold environments, or even cause their skin to become so hot as to burn anything they touched. More experienced Matukai adepts could also give normally soft parts of their body unnatural rigidity to help drastically reduce physical damage.[3][5]

Simply Matukai adepts can't be affected and killed by fatal poisons and illnesses.

In short Matukai adepts were proficient enough to execute punches, kicks, and flips in such complex martial sequences so fast, that it creates a "whirlwind" blur of limbs and movement. Provided Matukai adepts they are able to refresh their spirits with a tireless energy when fatigued. Not only did the refreshment gives immediate replenishment, but also permanent augmentation in their strength and power that exceeds what their bodies are capable of. A benefit that doubles every time they refresh their spirits. Nevertheless the Matukai order have a superior physical progression system.

I had wondered what level can Matukai adepts wield their wan-shens?

The signature weapon of the Matukai was a polearm weapon called the wan-shen, which was tipped on one end with a short-singled edged blade. Each wan-shen was unique and bore patterns etched into the blade to symbolize things important to its creator. Most wan-shens could be broken down into easily-stored pieces, and trained users could whirl it around their bodies in combat, using themselves as a central axis of rotation. Due to their own physical control, Matukai were capable of wielding the blade with a speed that sometimes astonished onlookers, which was described as a virtual whirlwind of metal and blades. As such, they were considered excellent combatants with weapons in addition to hand-to-hand combat. Matukai saw the weapon as an external focus for the Force, as well as a means of self-defense. The Matukai were agile to the point of being able to dodge or deflect a sizable portion of incoming strikes or shots aimed at them, and enjoyed greatly increased balance and stamina due to their connection to the Force. They were also known for their adaptability to any situation.[3]

So Matukai adepts were able to use wan-shens at such a fast speed, that it was seen as a man made replicated moving hellicopter propeller, a virtual whirlwind in short.

I have never seen a Jedi punch, kick, and and flip so fast it creates a "whirlwind" blur of limbs and movement. I Have never seen Jedis possess endless amounts of stamina while getting continually stronger physically. I have never seen a Jedi develop a physical immunity to all poisons & illnesses. I have never seen a Jedi wield their weapons at the same speed of a moving helicopter's propeller (Virtual whirlwind). I have never seen a jedi able to get shot 45 times by blaster rifles and survive. I have never seen the Jedi Order build up force sensitivity in individuals who weren't gifted with force sensitivity. I have never Seen the Jedi order solve the problem of their Light vs Dark conflicts. That later cause millions upon millions of needless deaths across the galaxy.

The Matukai done all these things, which is why they have been limited to 60 every generation. If a Matukai broke their tradition of 60 and decided they should be just as numberous as the Jedi order. There would be no point in joining the Jedi anymore. Since the Matukai order have the superior physical progression system. And among their Order, they have no Light vs Dark conflicts among their own.

Simply. The Matukai Order are the most powerful Light Side order physically, and they are perfect in mindset. Which deems them the 2nd Most powerful Light side order.

I don't know if you understand the differences between Proficiency and Ability, but you will. Most of the Jedi Order have the ability to use Hand-To-Hand combat and martial arts, but not at the whirlwind proficiency and complexity of a Matukai adept. Most Jedi masters of the order have the ability to use the Lightsaber style known as Jar-Kar. Whch is a Lightsaber style that requires a Jedi to swing his lightsaber fast in a almost vertical column, thus creates a brilliant whirlwind. Its not at the speed of a Matukai's virtual whirlwind. Jar-Kar creates a brilliant whirlwind due to the Jedi swinging his lightsaber fast in a almost vertical column. A brilliant whirlwind doesn't reach the speed of a Virtual Whirlwind, which is a man made replicated whirlwind.

If you don't think about any of what i just said, nor understood any of that, then my view of you is true🙁

Originally posted by Q99
Oooh, wait, I get it! This, the Matukai and ZS threads, it all comes together!

You're a hipster!

Whatever the most popular force using organization of a side, well, pssh, they're too mainstream! It's obviously the most obscure one you can find in Wookiepedia that's the strongest! ... no, wait, not wookiepedia, the item list of KotoR 2! That's where you discover all the factions you mention!

That's why you didn't go for the Sorcerers of Tund or Legion of Lettow ^^

The Sorcerers of Tund are just individuals that are really good with Dark Side illusions, illusions can be saw through. I don't even know what made your corrupted thought process visualize me listing them as the most powerful dark side order, they are extinct due to their lack of power.

The Legion of Lettow are a whole bunch of nobodies. I never heard of them. And now since im just learning about their existence from you, that says they are just Dark Side Jedi with a different philosophy from other Dark Side force using sects. They aren't important.

Oh god damn it, he went and ruined a possible debate thread. Get the **** out of here with your nonsense.

And by the way, the Legions were the first Dark Jedi, really. Academy that studied the Dark Side, check. Fought a massive war with the Jedi, check. Waged simultaneous campaigns on several planets, check. Yeah, they meant something.

Anyways, I think the fact that they outnumber the others so heavily is why they can claim it.

Originally posted by Pwned
Oh god damn it, he went and ruined a possible debate thread. Get the **** out of here with your nonsense.

And by the way, the Legions were the first Dark Jedi, really. Academy that studied the Dark Side, check. Fought a massive war with the Jedi, check. Waged simultaneous campaigns on several planets, check. Yeah, they meant something.

Anyways, I think the fact that they outnumber the others so heavily is why they can claim it.

You did. Those 5 paragraphs? Those were your argument in that thread.

As I said, this one has a debateable chance. THough the Empire was technically a species, not an Order. But that is just semantics.

Originally posted by Pwned
You did. Those 5 paragraphs? Those were your argument in that thread.

As I said, this one has a debateable chance. THough the Empire was technically a species, not an Order. But that is just semantics.

The Sith Empire has NO chance against the Rakatan Infinite Empire. The Rakatan Infinite Empire consisted of 10,000,000,000 powerful Rakatan Force Masters, along with a Star Forge that builds an Infinite amount of the Highest Grade Battle Droids, Weapons, Armor, Vehicles, And Ships. Provided that the Star Forge is above a planet sized Dark Side energy that Rakatans can feed off of to get even Stronger. Heck that Star Forge is the reason Rakata were able to live for over mellinas, crushing all who dared to challenge their might.

Where did you get that number?

And I doubt they were ALL, "Force Masters"

Certainly there were some, but not that many. I doubt there were even that many beings in the entire species.

Also, the Sith Empire has a chance, due to the fact that their highest showings put them beyond an unknown like the Rakata. The reason they stand a chance at most powerful is due to the left over accomplishments that we have seen, and the fact that it was in-universe acknowledged to not have been their best.

By the way, you didn't, "decrypt" anything. You made it up and claimed you were a canon source.

Originally posted by Pwned
Where did you get that number?

And I doubt they were ALL, "Force Masters"

Certainly there were some, but not that many. I doubt there were even that many beings in the entire species.

Also, the Sith Empire has a chance, due to the fact that their highest showings put them beyond an unknown like the Rakata. The reason they stand a chance at most powerful is due to the left over accomplishments that we have seen, and the fact that it was in-universe acknowledged to not have been their best.

By the way, you didn't, "decrypt" anything. You made it up and claimed you were a canon source.

The Sith empire stand no chance, UNLESS you combine all sith Eras constisting of the most powerful, and other Dark Side force using sects.

And where did you get the number of 10 billion?

Or hell, even the number of 5?

Whatever. I am just going to let this thread die. Have fun with whatever delusions you have.

Originally posted by Star Wars Logic
The Most powerful Rakatan force wielders were the Builders, which consisted of 5.

Originally posted by Pwned
And where did you get the number of 10 billion?

Or hell, even the number of 5?

Whatever. I am just going to let this thread die. Have fun with whatever delusions you have.

I don't have any delusions on anything. Have fun thinking the Sith Empire can defeat the 1st and most powerful Dark side order(:

So where did you get the number 5 from?

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
So where did you get the number 5 from?