How do you think 10,000,000,000 Rakatan Warriors managed 1,000,000,000,000 slaves before they had the star forge?
Through superior weaponry (including starships, which the slaves wouldn't have!), using slaves to keep other slaves in line, and a dozen other methods that slave using societies usually use to control large populations.
The slaves only outnumbered the Rakatan 100:1.
The Spartans had a few thousand warriors, and hundreds of thousands of oppressed slaves, and they managed it with spears and fear, let alone spaceships.
Also, ten billion is just the number of total Rakatan, not warriors.
Now you are contradicting Wookieepedia and the Hero's guide.The Hero's guide verified Zeison Sha Warriors could ascend into the sky by using their telekinetic ability "Force Flight"
I have the book, you can't just make stuff up that it doesn't say.
Khem Val verified a Master of Telekinesis can pull down ships.
Nope, Khem Val said that a specific individual was capable of it, one with tremendous force power in addition to mastery.
We know a few others like Galen Marek can do it too, but that doesn't mean any TK master can.
Many Jedi are masters of TK. By that logic, many Jedi can do the same.
You're just in denial that the Zeison Sha Warriors have Yoda's telekinetic mastery as a common feat.
We deny it, but that's not the same sense as being 'in denial' in the common sense. We simply deny it because the evidence doesn't indicate that it's true.
Here's the thing, if you say something, and it goes beyond the stated text, then it's just your word.
The only thing needed to counter your word is anyone's word.
If it's a "one person's word vs other people's word," the only way that the one person can win is with solid facts and sources, not assumptions that go beyond them.
Originally posted by Q99No it was abundantly clear that the reason the 10,000,000,000 Rakatan warriors managed 1,000,000,000,000 slaves before the creation of the Star Forge, was due to their connection to the Force, once that connection began to dissipate on the Rakatan Warriors. The slaves saw the rakatan's force erosion and took initiative, starting violent slave outbreaks that Rakatan warriors could not suppress, due to their failing connection.
Through superior weaponry (including starships, which the slaves wouldn't have!), using slaves to keep other slaves in line, and a dozen other methods that slave using societies usually use to control large populations.The slaves only outnumbered the Rakatan 100:1.
The Spartans had a few thousand warriors, and hundreds of thousands of oppressed slaves, and they managed it with spears and fear, let alone spaceships.
Also, ten billion is just the number of total Rakatan, not warriors.
I have the book, you can't just make stuff up that it doesn't say.
Nope, Khem Val said that a specific individual was capable of it, one with tremendous force power in addition to mastery.
We know a few others like Galen Marek can do it too, but that doesn't mean any TK master can.
Many Jedi are masters of TK. By that logic, many Jedi can do the same.
We deny it, but that's not the same sense as being 'in denial' in the common sense. We simply deny it because the evidence doesn't indicate that it's true.
Here's the thing, if you say something, and it goes beyond the stated text, then it's just your word.
The only thing needed to counter your word is anyone's word.
If it's a "one person's word vs other people's word," the only way that the one person can win is with solid facts and sources, not assumptions that go beyond them.
No Khem Val specifically quoted on Star Wars The Old Republic, that " My Lord was a Master of Telekinesis"
Khem Val verified the requirement of what needs to be achieved in order to Pull down ships. (A master of telekinesis is the requirement to pull down ships)
Every single Zeison Sha Warrior has already reached that requirement, since they all are natural born masters of Telekinesis.
There weren't many Jedi capable of pulling down ships. Heck Yoda is the only example of a Jedi pulling up and pulling down a semi sized ship with minimal effort. If you have evidence of "these many Jedi that are capable of it," Link at least 13 Jedi capable of this feat. If you can't S.T.F.U
Why do you keep saying "I have all the books" I have all the books too J A C K A S S 😄.
Originally posted by Q99I know you didn't just lie about what's in the Hero's guide? The Zeison Sha Warrior had the telekinetic force power known as "Force Flight"I have the book, you can't just make stuff up that it doesn't say.
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This proved it http://force.wikidot.com/zeison-sha-warrior-class
Looks like everything you're about to say next in your defense is utter horseshit.
*facepalm*
Logic, they fell because they couldn't use their force-based technology. The slaves had no frikkin clue they were losing their connection. Because their connection wasn't universal.
Seriously, that quote you are so fond of? Because only Force-sensitives could be warriors. And the entire race was not a bunch of warriors.
Originally posted by PwnedOk here's where wookieepedia trashes what you say, "There weren't ten billion rakatan warriors"
*facepalm*Logic, they fell because they couldn't use their force-based technology. The slaves had no frikkin clue they were losing their connection. Because their connection wasn't universal.
Seriously, that quote you are so fond of? Because only Force-sensitives could be warriors. And the entire race was not a bunch of warriors.
The Infinite Empire
"I am Rakata - it is the name of my people. Eons ago, our Infinite Empire ruled this world and so many others."
―The Imprisoned One[src]
Being a war-like and cruel race, the greater dangers posed by the Rakata was the fact that they were strong in the Force along with being technologically advanced. They were known to enslave or wipe out every civilization they encountered.[12] They were also known to have had been both cruel and manipulative masters of those they enslaved.[4] At its height, the Empire governed 500 worlds and its population numbered ten billion Rakatan warriors and one trillion slaves.
10,000,000,000 Rakatan Warriors and 1,000,000,000,000 slaves.
The Rakatan Warriors failing Force Sensitivity not only stopped them from using their Force Powered Technology, but also causing them the inability to suppress the massive number of violent slave outbreaks.
(The Slaves saw Weakness in the Rakatan Warriors, and took initiative)
"The Rakatan Infinite Empire not only discovered the Force, but mastered it as well"
Wookieepedia just shot down every thing you said, and supported everything i said.
Nothing more needs to be said 🙂.
It actually didn't.
The point about 10 billion warriors? I didn't contend that in that post, you just want to act like you know something.
All of them could not have been, as you put it, "Force Masters" due to the fact that not all of them would even be strong enough.
I actually agree with the basis of the thread, you are seriously just spouting shit out to somebody who already said that you had an actual basis for once.
Originally posted by PwnedI actually agree with the basis of the thread, you are seriously just spouting shit out to somebody who already said that you had an actual basis for once.
Yea, this one's extra sad because you and I both went, "You know, yea, they are very powerful. They're definitely top contenders."
And then he went, "But you must believe every assumption I make about them! Wookieepedia says they have 10 billion people total? I'm going to assume they're all warriors, and all at top mastery levels!"
And then everyone else facepalms.
Even if someone did agree with him on those points, he'd probably just make up new ones anyway.
Originally posted by PwnedYou were disagreeing with the fact that there were 10,000,000,000 Rakatan Warriors, you said "The Rakatan had ten billion as a species, the warriors cast was much smaller"
It actually didn't.The point about 10 billion warriors? I didn't contend that in that post, you just want to act like you know something.
All of them could not have been, as you put it, "Force Masters" due to the fact that not all of them would even be strong enough.
I actually agree with the basis of the thread, you are seriously just spouting shit out to somebody who already said that you had an actual basis for once.
Looks like Wookieepedia trashed what you said, and now you're trying to say you never said such things xD.
It was said "The Rakatan Infinite Empire discovered and mastered the Force"the Rakatan Infinite Empire consisted of 10,000,000,000 Rakatan Warriors, so they were all Force Masters. But some mutation/plague infected the Rakatan's Force Sensitivity, and caused most of the Rakatan Warriors to die, while the rest of The Rakatan Warriors that survived, began to suffer from a failing Force Connection.
The Rakatan Infinite Empire consisted of 10,000,000,000 Powerful Rakatan Force Master Warriors. And 1,000,000,000,000 Slaves 🙂.
Originally posted by Q99There is no assumption about anything i say Star Wars related.
Yea, this one's extra sad because you and I both went, "You know, yea, they are very powerful. They're definitely top contenders."And then he went, "But you must believe every assumption I make about them! Wookieepedia says they have 10 billion people total? I'm going to assume they're all warriors, and all at top mastery levels!"
And then everyone else facepalms.
Even if someone did agree with him on those points, he'd probably just make up new ones anyway.
You love talking about me while i'm not around don't ya?
Condescending ***** ** ****
Originally posted by Star Wars LogicRead the post. I said I didn't contend it earlier in that post. I admit I did erroneously contend it earlier.
You were disagreeing with the fact that there were 10,000,000,000 Rakatan Warriors, you said "The Rakatan had ten billion as a species, the warriors cast was much smaller"Looks like Wookieepedia trashed what you said, and now you're trying to say you never said such things xD.
It was said "The Rakatan Infinite Empire discovered and mastered the Force"the Rakatan Infinite Empire consisted of 10,000,000,000 Rakatan Warriors, so they were all Force Masters. But some mutation/plague infected the Rakatan's Force Sensitivity, and caused most of the Rakatan Warriors to die, while the rest of The Rakatan Warriors that survived, began to suffer from a failing Force Connection.
The Rakatan Infinite Empire consisted of 10,000,000,000 Powerful Rakatan Force Master Warriors. And 1,000,000,000,000 Slaves 🙂.
I honestly have no argument at all, there isn't even a debate. We halfway agreed with you. For once.