Originally posted by Star Wars LogicThe English language clearly isn't a friend of yours. You know that "Builders" is another name for the Rakata? It isn't a separate class or caste, it's a synonym for the species' name.
The number of 5 Rakatan Builders came from wookieepedia. They explained there were Rakatan Builders acting as a tribe leaders.
Originally posted by Lord LucienYou know you just made a misconception? The Builders weren't all the Rakata, but the ones leading the 10,000,000,000 Rakatan Warriors, the ones who were being controlled of by the Star Forge's influence. Due to the builders mysteriously losing their connection to the force while being controlled by the Star Forge's influence, this started conflicts within tribes of the Rakata, since the builders weren't getting along, while being at constant odds with each other.
The English language clearly isn't a friend of yours. You know that "Builders" is another name for the Rakata? It isn't a separate class or caste, it's a synonym for the species' name.
Get your facts straight.
Originally posted by Lord LucienYou can call it what you want. You're just another one of those bow jockin idiots. You can't decrypt word based definitions concerning other star wars controversial subjects, but rather you wait for one of the creators to give point black understand concerning the subject of note in order to get verification. I don't bullshit, but this little reply of yours just says you're another one of those people who use their eyes 90% more then their perception.
No, seriously. Keep up the good work. Most attention seekers don't put as much detail in to their bullshit as you. Kudos.
Hey, question! Who else here reads Dawn of the Jedi, the comic that actually contains the Rakata as live, active figures?
Show of hands? *Raises mine*
Originally posted by Star Wars Logic
You can call it what you want. You're just another one of those bow jockin idiots. You can't decrypt word based definitions concerning other star wars controversial subjects, but rather you wait for one of the creators to give point black understand concerning the subject of note in order to get verification. I don't bullshit, but this little reply of yours just says you're another one of those people who use their eyes 90% more then their perception.
Hehe, 'decrypt' words to say something other than what they actually say?
There's hiding meanings, and then there's making stuff up that's not in what's said or that actually contradicts what's said. Here's a hit, what you do is the latter.
In general, here's a hint, Wookieepedia, SW reference books, and KotoR2 equipment descriptions, and Databank entries don't have hidden meanings. They are, in fact, designed to be accessible and strait forward in the information they convey.
If you try and claim hiding meanings in a data entry designed to convey information clearly, then you're just blowing smoke.
Originally posted by Q99Oh nothing i have said has been shot down. Zeison Sha Warriors are unmatched in telekinetic force powers, as well as powerful combatants, they can fly into the air while pulling down ships. Bodo Baas proved Zeison Sha Warriors are masters of Telekinesis. Khem Val proved a Master of Telekinesis can pull down ships of all sizes. And the Star Wars Roleplaying game Hero's guide proved Zeison Sha Warriors can use their telekinesis to ascend their bodies into the sky. (Which is flying)
Oh SWL, your comments on those other two have been shot down with proof so many times...
Because of the Zeison Sha Warrior's abilities and proficiencies, they had 0% casualties during the Great Jedi Purge.
Matukai Adept are the unparalleled physical combatants that get stronger overtime. Also the Matukai have no Light vs Dark Conflicts, which is the perfect mindset as a Light Side order.
The Rakatan Infinite Empire is the 1st and Most powerful Dark Side order. The Zeison Sha is the Powerful Light Side Order. The Matukai are the 2nd Most powerful Light Side Order.
No matter how much everyone here hates that fact, its true🙂.
Also stop choosing to reply to my threads when i go offline. Reply to me while im Online, don't wait for me to go Offline. That just shows you are a condescending hypocritical individual😄.
Originally posted by Q99No what i do is decryption, since everyone here is contradicting wookieepedia, and seem to not understand the definitions to certain words are, like "Virtual Whirlwnd" which is a moving helicopter's propeller.
Hey, question! Who else here reads Dawn of the Jedi, the comic that actually contains the Rakata as live, active figures?Show of hands? *Raises mine*
Hehe, 'decrypt' words to say something other than what they actually say?
There's hiding meanings, and then there's making stuff up that's not in what's said or that actually contradicts what's said. Here's a hit, what you do is the latter.
In general, here's a hint, Wookieepedia, SW reference books, and KotoR2 equipment descriptions, and Databank entries don't have hidden meanings. They are, in fact, designed to be accessible and strait forward in the information they convey.
If you try and claim hiding meanings in a data entry designed to convey information clearly, then you're just blowing smoke.
I don't know whether if everyone here doesn't understand the definitions of key words, or maybe due to a lack of perception.
Wait...... you're a grown woman playing with Rakata ACTION FIGURES!? 😆 Disregard that(:
Originally posted by Star Wars Logic
Oh nothing i have said has been shot down. Zeison Sha Warriors are unmatched in telekinetic force powers,
Not according to the quote you posted, which merely said they're better than 'most' Jedi. Not all, most. Why qualify with most if others can match them?
And the Hero's guide says similar, but only 'many.'
they can fly into the air while pulling down ships.
Actually, there's no examples of Zeison Sha pulling down ships, and there are examples of Jedi doing so.
No mention of them doing multiple powers at once like that either.
And the Star Wars Roleplaying game Hero's guide proved Zeison Sha Warriors can use their telekinesis to ascend their bodies into the sky. (Which is flying)
I'll mention: One, nothing in the book mentions them flying, so that's a lie to say it's in there, and two, Jedi have levitated themselves too.
If they levitate themselves, it is simply through the use of the same generic powers the Jedi use.
Because of the Zeison Sha Warrior's abilities and proficiencies, they had 0% casualties during the Great Jedi Purge.
Aaaand this is made-up, nothing says or implies no casualties at any point, and even mentions that them making through the dark times involved 'enduring' and 'struggle'.
It should also be noted that their defensive abilities are generally lower than Jedi Guardians of equal level- they don't have a lightsaber to deflect blaster bolts, they have to rely on offense and force shields that are tiring and can be worn down.
Not to mention:
"From the last days of the old republic though the dark times and even through the early days of the new republic, they struggle to avoid contact with the Jedi and Darth Vader's hunter squads."
Directly stated, their primary survival tactic was hiding. Nothing to do with their combat prowess at all.
Now, let us remembered how the Dark Times ended: With Jedi beating Sith. With Luke defeating Darth Vader and turning him. With Luke killing Palpatine's clones. With Kyle Katarn killing Imperial Inquisitors.
With Luke winning where the Zeison Sha avoided.
Matukai Adept are the unparalleled physical combatants that get stronger overtime.
Nothing says 'unparalleled,' in fact directly contradicted by 'Jedi Path' which lists them as merely 'among' the best martial artists.
Also, most combatants get stronger over time. It's normal. Anakin and Luke got crazy stronger over time with training.
No matter how much everyone here hates that fact, its true🙂.
It's funny how I have much more information on all of these orders than you, and the stuff you say that makes them so great is primarily stuff we've seen Jedi do.
Also stop choosing to reply to my threads when i go offline.
So it's not enough for you to be disproven repeatedly with my actual sources, I gotta pay attention to when you're online and disprove you on a schedule too?
I'm going to say 'no.'
That just shows you are a condescending hypocritical individual😄.
While I am admittedly being a bit condescending, largely because I find it not to be when someone's trying to preach to me about the great powers of factions they don't have the books on and I do, that's not even what hypocritical means.
Hypocritical is more of how you accuse others of lying when you get caught in lies that contradict even the sources and quotes you provide.
Originally posted by Q99Of course there are no examples of them flying while pulling down ships, from what we can see. But Zeison Sha Warrior's ability to do the said feats have been confirmed by 2 individuals. Bodo Baas and Khem Val.
Not according to the quote you posted, which merely said they're better than 'most' Jedi. Not all, most. Why qualify with most if others can match them?And the Hero's guide says similar, but only 'many.'
Actually, there's no examples of Zeison Sha pulling down ships, and there are examples of Jedi doing so.
No mention of them doing multiple powers at once like that either.
I'll mention: One, nothing in the book mentions them flying, so that's a lie to say it's in there, and two, Jedi have levitated themselves too.
If they levitate themselves, it is simply through the use of the same generic powers the Jedi use.
Aaaand this is made-up, nothing says or implies no casualties at any point, and even mentions that them making through the dark times involved 'enduring' and 'struggle'.
It should also be noted that their defensive abilities are generally lower than Jedi Guardians of equal level- they don't have a lightsaber to deflect blaster bolts, they have to rely on offense and force shields that are tiring and can be worn down.
Not to mention:
"From the last days of the old republic though the dark times and even through the early days of the new republic, they struggle to avoid contact with the Jedi and Darth Vader's hunter squads."Directly stated, their primary survival tactic was hiding. Nothing to do with their combat prowess at all.
Now, let us remembered how the Dark Times ended: With Jedi beating Sith. With Luke defeating Darth Vader and turning him. With Luke killing Palpatine's clones. With Kyle Katarn killing Imperial Inquisitors.
With Luke winning where the Zeison Sha avoided.
Nothing says 'unparalleled,' in fact directly contradicted by 'Jedi Path' which lists them as merely 'among' the best martial artists.
Also, most combatants get stronger over time. It's normal. Anakin and Luke got crazy stronger over time with training.
It's funny how I have much more information on all of these orders than you, and the stuff you say that makes them so great is primarily stuff we've seen Jedi do.
So it's not enough for you to be disproven repeatedly with my actual sources, I gotta pay attention to when you're online and disprove you on a schedule too?
I'm going to say 'no.'
While I am admittedly being a bit condescending, largely because I find it not to be when someone's trying to preach to me about the great powers of factions they don't have the books on and I do, that's not even what hypocritical means.
Hypocritical is more of how you accuse others of lying when you get caught in lies that contradict even the sources and quotes you provide.
Zeison Sha Warriors don't levitate, they fly.
Yeah from what Bodo Baas saw Zeison Sha Warriors are Masters of telekinetics and their ability was in many ways superior to that evidenced by many members of the Jedi order. The Zeison Sha warriors Resisted the imperial occupation on their planet, eventually pushing them back. They later decided to avoid Darth Vader and future Jedi hunters. Zeison Sha are a self sacrificial isolationist type order. They only cared for the safety of the colonist on their planet, nothing more. That's why they chose to Avoid Darth Vader and Jedi hunters after their conflict on their planet.
"Its similar to what Obi Wan Kenobi did"
Annnd nothing disproves the Zeison Sha's survival with 0% percent casualties. If you have evidence Link it, if not S.T.F.U with the "nothing says this routine"
Matukai are unparalleled in physical strength, they get stronger everytime they refresh their spirits.
So basically you just metaphorically said you're just another one of those atheist........ 😆 This corrupted mindset is where that hypocrisy comes from, its not a surprise to be frank.
Oh and here's the definition of hypocrisy (A.K.A Q99)
The practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense.
A hypocritical person is someone who goes against what he originally said, A.K.A you.
All in all, GET TO STEPPIN.
Originally posted by PwnedI didn't lie about anything. The Rakatan Infinite Empire were all force masters. How do you think they manged 1,000,000,000,000 slaves from 10,000,000,000 Rakata? ******** Be quiet Bow jocker, and let this thread die like you said you were gonna do? oh wait CONTRADICTION 🙂
Q99 is correct on all those points.Oh, and you lied about them being Force Masters. Most of the species was only barely Force Sensitive. Not even able to do basic TK. Or Precog. Or anything really important.
Of course there are no examples of them flying while pulling down ships, from what we can see. But Zeison Sha Warrior's ability to do the said feats have been confirmed by 2 individuals. Bodo Baas and Khem Val.Zeison Sha Warriors don't levitate, they fly.
*Checks quotes*
Nope, neither say that. Lie.
Yeah from what Bodo Baas saw Zeison Sha Warriors are Masters of telekinetics and their ability was in many ways superior to that evidenced by many members of the Jedi order.
Indeed, many, but not all.
The Zeison Sha warriors Resisted the imperial occupation on their planet, eventually pushing them back. They later decided to avoid Darth Vader and future Jedi hunters.
Ah hem, it pointed out they started during the Old Republic, meaning they were already in the habit of avoiding even before there were formal Jedi hunters.
Also the occupation of their planet lasted throughout the dark times.
Annnd nothing disproves the Zeison Sha's survival with 0% percent casualties. If you have evidence Link it, if not S.T.F.U with the "nothing says this routine"
Burden of proof, if nothing says it, it cannot be assumed. Especially as it doesn't fit with the descriptions- the posted descriptions- of lasting through the dark times being something they endured.
"Nothing says this," is a barrier that must be cleared by rules of evidence. If nothing indicates it, then it's not true, it's just made-up.
Now, let me explain to you why this is the case, with examples.
Did you hear about the Great Zeison Sha slaughter of 1200BBY? It seems a Jedi apprentice landed there and killed half the order on their own, before leaving. That's why the Zeison Sha hate Jedi so much.
Nothing says it happened, but nothing says it didn't happen.
Did you hear about the Jedi who defeated 40 Matukai and 40 Zeison Sha at once, by using the force to make their heads explode?
Nothing says it happened, or that someone can just use the force to make heads explode, but nothing says it didn't happen.
If one is willing to enter things with no proof, then there is no reason to disallow either of those.
If, on the other hand, one requires at least some evidence to exist, then those are out too, in addition to yours.
Hence, burden of proof, and why I do not go for things that nothing indicates is true.
Oh and here's the definition of hypocrisy (A.K.A Q99)The practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense.
A hypocritical person is someone who goes against what he originally said, A.K.A you.
And I've been quite consistent in what I've said in my points.
You've done a lot of accusing of lying and hypocrisy, but just as you can't prove your points, you haven't been able to prove any of that either.
Which, ironically, proves you guilty of both of them yourself.
Originally posted by Q99What could a master of telekinesis do? oh here's copy & pasted sentences from wookieepedia.
*Checks quotes*Nope, neither say that. Lie.
Indeed, many, but not all.
Ah hem, it pointed out they started during the Old Republic, meaning they were already in the habit of avoiding even before there were formal Jedi hunters.
Also the occupation of their planet lasted throughout the dark times.
Burden of proof, if nothing says it, it cannot be assumed. Especially as it doesn't fit with the descriptions- the posted descriptions- of lasting through the dark times being something they endured.
"Nothing says this," is a barrier that must be cleared by rules of evidence. If nothing indicates it, then it's not true, it's just made-up.
Now, let me explain to you why this is the case, with examples.
Did you hear about the Great Zeison Sha slaughter of 1200BBY? It seems a Jedi apprentice landed there and killed half the order on their own, before leaving. That's why the Zeison Sha hate Jedi so much.
Nothing says it happened, but nothing says it didn't happen.
Did you hear about the Jedi who defeated 40 Matukai and 40 Zeison Sha at once, by using the force to make their heads explode?
Nothing says it happened, or that someone can just use the force to make heads explode, but nothing says it didn't happen.
If one is willing to enter things with no proof, then there is no reason to disallow either of those.
If, on the other hand, one requires at least some evidence to exist, then those are out too, in addition to yours.
Hence, burden of proof, and why I do not go for things that nothing indicates is true.
And I've been quite consistent in what I've said in my points.
You've done a lot of accusing of lying and hypocrisy, but just as you can't prove your points, you haven't been able to prove any of that either.
Which, ironically, proves you guilty of both of them yourself.
It would appear Tulak was also a master of telekinesis. According to Khem Val when the Inquisitor sees the ruins of the Endar Spire, "The great Tulak Hord once pulled a ship this size from the sky."
And i wonder who were all masters of telekinesis and other telekinetic powers?
"I had heard that Zeison Sha are masters of the telekinetic powers, but I was astonished to see that their abilities in this area far surpass those of many Jedi."
Put 2 & 2 together what does that mean? Its a fact Zeison Sha can ascend into the shy and pull down ships of all sizes, no matter how much you may hate it🙂.
Eh, changed my mind. Decided I would humor you and prove you wrong more. The more lulz to be had.
No proof they were Force Masters. If you have it, show it. Give the source as well.
Just because one guy could pull down a ship doesn't mean they can, let alone while using Force Levitation. Seriously, that is Yoda tier shit. And these random nobodies just can't do that. Sucks to be you, what with your claims.
Originally posted by PwnedThe point to those Copy & Pasted messages were. A master of Telekinesis can pull down ships. The lower ranked Zeison Sha Warriors are Masters of Telekinesis. They can ascend into the sky and pull down ships. I was just about to say the same thing you said about Yoda, since Yoda is the only Jedi i can think that mastered Telekinesis. But Zeison Sha Warriors have Yoda's telekinetic mastery on a common range, meaning they can pull down ships of all sizes on a common basis.
Eh, changed my mind. Decided I would humor you and prove you wrong more. The more lulz to be had.No proof they were Force Masters. If you have it, show it. Give the source as well.
Just because one guy could pull down a ship doesn't mean they can, let alone while using Force Levitation. Seriously, that is Yoda tier shit. And these random nobodies just can't do that. Sucks to be you, what with your claims.
Re-read the first message on this thread, that proves the Rakatan Infinite Empire were all force masters. Heck it specifically said in Wookieepedia "Rakatan Warriors discovered and mastered the force" there were 10,000,000,000 Rakatan Warriors in total. So put 2 & 2 together and what does that mean? 🙂
No, it said the Rakatan species had 10 billion. Their warrior caste was much smaller. Deal with it.
Also, no, a master of telekinesis with raw power on the level of Yoda can bring a ship out of the sky. None of the Zeison Sha are that powerful.
Also, you have no proof that any of them are that good. You assume so. You also assume that they can fly and pull anything down, which is not true. There is no proof they can. They have never been shown to do so, so they can't. Plain and simple.
Originally posted by PwnedNo Read all of the Rakata article on wookieepedia, it specifically said "The Rakatan Infinite Empire consisted of 10,000,000,000 Warriors and 1,000,000,000,000 Slaves"
No, it said the Rakatan species had 10 billion. Their warrior caste was much smaller. Deal with it.Also, no, a master of telekinesis with raw power on the level of Yoda can bring a ship out of the sky. None of the Zeison Sha are that powerful.
Also, you have no proof that any of them are that good. You assume so. You also assume that they can fly and pull anything down, which is not true. There is no proof they can. They have never been shown to do so, so they can't. Plain and simple.
How do you think 10,000,000,000 Rakatan Warriors managed 1,000,000,000,000 slaves before they had the star forge?
Simple they were all Force masters. It specifically said "The Rakatan Warriors discovered and Mastered the Force"
Now you are contradicting Wookieepedia and the Hero's guide.
The Hero's guide verified Zeison Sha Warriors could ascend into the sky by using their telekinetic ability "Force Flight"
Khem Val verified a Master of Telekinesis can pull down ships.
Bodo Baas verified that Zeison Sha are masters of the telekinetic powers (which includes telekinesis)
You're just in denial that the Zeison Sha Warriors have Yoda's telekinetic mastery as a common feat.