The Wolverine (2013)

Started by srankmissingnin14 pages

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Man of Steel was far superior at everything. From acting, action sequences, cinematography, music, etc. the film just made this one seem laughable in comparison.

Everyone hates on the climactic battle between Zod and Superman. I get it. Superman could have tried to cause less collateral damage. Realistically, innocent bystanders should've been killed. So we're just going to act like they don't smash through buildings constantly in the comic books?

Shot for shot remake of Neo and Agent Smith? So Superman is supposed to apologize for The Matrix of all franchises attempting to copy him? Nonsense. Clearly remember everyone disliking that scene in Revolutions anyway.

Don't get me started on Iron Man 3.

Iron Man 3 - 5/10
Star Trek: Into Darkness - 8.5/10
Man of Steel - 8.5/10
Pacific Rim - 7/10
The Wolverine - 6/10

I don't even really know where to start.

You liked the acting in Man of Steel? The only person who showed up to do his job was Crowe... and it pains me to say that because I love Michael Shannon but even he wasn't given any thing to work in the thankless role of living in Terence Stamp's shadow. Cavill was so wooden through out the entire film. The guy doesn't have an ounce of charm or charisma in his entire body. Outside of the terrible performance from the "actress" who played Viper, overall the acting in The Wolverine was better, especially comparing the two leads, and unlike Cavill and Amy Adams their was actually some chemistry between Jackman and Tao Okamoto. Was the score better? I didn't hate it when I watched the movie, but it wasn't John Williams and like The Wolverine it was completely forgettable now that I've left the theater.

The action was better in Man of Steel, I'll give you that. The one thing Synder can do is story board and film an action scene... but that is the worst part of the movie, and it went on FOREVER. The Wolverine could have benefit from a second unit director coming into guide the action scenes. Man of Steel could have benefit from a real director coming into to direct everything BUT the action. Synder doesn't know how (or care enough) to get a good performance out of an actor and it showed it. He just wants to do cool fight scenes... I expect more than that when I go to the movies.

Don't get me started on Pacific Rim... actually just read everything bad I said about Cavill and replace his name with Charlie Hunnam.

lol.

Nope.

Srank is just too high brow for alot of things.

I give Wolverine 5-6 out of 10. Don't know how I feel about it. It was the biggest let down in a long long long long time.

I mean...half of the people posting on this forum could have written a better script. That's how bad I think the film was.

But...it still had awesome stuff. Enough to make me not drop it below a 5.

You really expected anything more than mediocre? After origins? More fool you. I'm going into this with low expectations and will at least not come out disappointed. I'm learning to do this a lot. The 3 films of the last couple of years I really looked forward to were all letdowns. Man of Steel, Prometheus and Star Trek Into darkness.

People had high expectation's for this movie?

only one i had was, I was hoping it was better then the Origins movie and it was.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I don't even really know where to start.

You liked the acting in Man of Steel? The only person who showed up to do his job was Crowe... and it pains me to say that because I love Michael Shannon but even he wasn't given any thing to work in the thankless role of living in Terence Stamp's shadow. Cavill was so wooden through out the entire film. The guy doesn't have an ounce of charm or charisma in his entire body. Outside of the terrible performance from the "actress" who played Viper, overall the acting in The Wolverine was better, especially comparing the two leads, and unlike Cavill and Amy Adams their was actually some chemistry between Jackman and Tao Okamoto.

Very much so. I thought everyone did a good job. No weak links at all. Sure, Shannon wasn't as badass as some of us hoped he would be but that's not entirely a bad thing. He portrayed the character from a sympathetic standpoint. Like we knew he was the antagonist but could also see his motivations and how he thought he was doing the right thing. Crowe killed it. Period. Costner also was very effective as Pa Kent. Every scene he was in he came through. Amy Adams was the only major character who I didn't feel was superb. But that doesn't mean she was bad. She could have been ALOT worse(Katie Holmes). Was the love story between Clark and Lois as fleshed out as you may have hoped? Probably not. Again, not a bad thing. I went to see a Superman film. Not an episode of Lois & Clark. Cavill nailed Superman. I'm sorry but I'm hearing "lack of charisma" and I'm just thinking what did he have to do to impress you. You want jokes like Iron Man 3 or Bayformers? Please..... He was fine.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Was the score better? I didn't hate it when I watched the movie, but it wasn't John Williams and like The Wolverine it was completely forgettable now that I've left the theater.
Blasphemy. Not even going to debate this.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
The action was better in Man of Steel, I'll give you that. The one thing Synder can do is story board and film an action scene... but that is the worst part of the movie, and it went on FOREVER. The Wolverine could have benefit from a second unit director coming into guide the action scenes. Man of Steel could have benefit from a real director coming into to direct everything BUT the action. Synder doesn't know how (or care enough) to get a good performance out of an actor and it showed it. He just wants to do cool fight scenes... I expect more than that when I go to the movies.
Atleast you can admit to MOS being superior from an action standpoint. It really isn't at all close. Only film of the genre with action arguably better is Avengers. More shitting on Snyder as a director. I thought he did just fine. Was the film perfect? Negative. Did he make a Superman as badass as it potentially could be, all the while improving on the dreadful Superman Returns, and effectively breathing life into the franchise? In my opinion, yes. He wants to do cool fight scenes? I'm glad you brought that up because I, honestly, don't see one director doing fight scenes quite as good as Snyder right now in comic book movies. From 300, to Watchmen, to now Man of Steel his fight scenes(and action sequences in general) remain supreme. Even the fight between Jor-El and Zod on Krypton looked better than almost ALL of the Nolan Batman fight scenes. Let's not take his action prowess for granted. Nor the look of his films. The cinematography is beautiful. Much more so than Wolverine(although I did feel this was an improvement over Origins).

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Don't get me started on Pacific Rim... actually just read everything bad I said about Cavill and replace his name with Charlie Hunnam.
Pacific Rim was an inferior film to Man of Steel IMO as my ratings justified. It's a fun, cheesy, action flick with no brains. Not for everyone. Charlie Hunnam played a generic role(everyone in that film did), sure, but it wasn't terrible.

Any movie with a director named "Mangold" can't fail.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I give Wolverine 5-6 out of 10. Don't know how I feel about it. It was the biggest let down in a long long long long time.

I mean...half of the people posting on this forum could have written a better script. That's how bad I think the film was.

But...it still had awesome stuff. Enough to make me not drop it below a 5.

I agree. It's definitely a disappointing, Wolverine movie but as for being just another conventional action movie it is satisfying. However, i don't think it ever becomes anything more than standard. After about halfway through the movie i stopped watching for the story and found myself waiting only for the next action sequence. This isn't to say the story is a complete waist. It's certainly more coherent and deep than the last Wolverine movie but i don't feel the potential was ever realized. I think that can also be said for the action. Although some of the action was thrilling some of it felt uninspired, at least when you consider the type of characters the Director had to work with.

I don't mean to condemn the movie and i would in fact recommend it to those that seem interested. If you're on the fence i would say pass or wait for dvd. If you were excited to see this and haven't gotten around to doing so yet ii'm sure you'll have a good time.

I often have conversations with friends about a more adult/violent Wolverine.
And their responses are "you can't have the Logan you want in modern day cinema cause the industry is focused on family viewing".

Though I dislike Fox X-men films (though First Class had it's strengths) I still believe in this day and age of mature TV shows and edgy comic themed films that we can one day have the Wolverine film fans have always wanted.

But it will never happen as long as FOX retain the rights. Which unfortunately will always remain so.

Hearing at lot of mixed views from you guys. Well I'm going to see it today in the hopes that it is better than origins. All I want is Wolverine doing Wolverine things.

And I still don't see how people are mad at MoS but whatever.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I don't even really know where to start.

You liked the acting in Man of Steel? The only person who showed up to do his job was Crowe... and it pains me to say that because I love Michael Shannon but even he wasn't given any thing to work in the thankless role of living in Terence Stamp's shadow. Cavill was so wooden through out the entire film. The guy doesn't have an ounce of charm or charisma in his entire body. Outside of the terrible performance from the "actress" who played Viper, overall the acting in The Wolverine was better, especially comparing the two leads, and unlike Cavill and Amy Adams their was actually some chemistry between Jackman and Tao Okamoto. Was the score better? I didn't hate it when I watched the movie, but it wasn't John Williams and like The Wolverine it was completely forgettable now that I've left the theater.

The action was better in Man of Steel, I'll give you that. The one thing Synder can do is story board and film an action scene... but that is the worst part of the movie, and it went on FOREVER. The Wolverine could have benefit from a second unit director coming into guide the action scenes. Man of Steel could have benefit from a real director coming into to direct everything BUT the action. Synder doesn't know how (or care enough) to get a good performance out of an actor and it showed it. He just wants to do cool fight scenes... I expect more than that when I go to the movies.

Don't get me started on Pacific Rim... actually just read everything bad I said about Cavill and replace his name with Charlie Hunnam.

Disagree.

Originally posted by the ninjak
I often have conversations with friends about a more adult/violent Wolverine.
And their responses are "you can't have the Logan you want in modern day cinema cause the industry is focused on family viewing".

Though I dislike Fox X-men films (though First Class had it's strengths) I still believe in this day and age of mature TV shows and edgy comic themed films that we can one day have the Wolverine film fans have always wanted.

But it will never happen as long as FOX retain the rights. Which unfortunately will always remain so.

Ive been of the mind that ninety percent of comic book movies should be animated. This way you could appeal to many different fan demographics. They could make ten different animated X-men movies for the price that it costs to make one live action movie. I think if studios would take risks on animated movies with top of the line animation or CGI they would easily make big profits. Instead most of the time they make them using generic animation and have childish stories.

I think a weapon X or x-men cartoon with an adult tone would be incredibly successful.

Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
I agree. It's definitely a disappointing, Wolverine movie but as for being just another conventional action movie it is satisfying. However, i don't think it ever becomes anything more than standard. After about halfway through the movie i stopped watching for the story and found myself waiting only for the next action sequence. This isn't to say the story is a complete waist. It's certainly more coherent and deep than the last Wolverine movie but i don't feel the potential was ever realized. I think that can also be said for the action. Although some of the action was thrilling some of it felt uninspired, at least when you consider the type of characters the Director had to work with.

I don't mean to condemn the movie and i would in fact recommend it to those that seem interested. If you're on the fence i would say pass or wait for dvd. If you were excited to see this and haven't gotten around to doing so yet ii'm sure you'll have a good time.

This is a fair assessment and conclusion about whether or not to see it.

Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
Ive been of the mind that ninety percent of comic book movies should be animated. This way you could appeal to many different fan demographics. They could make ten different animated X-men movies for the price that it costs to make one live action movie. I think if studios would take risks on animated movies with top of the line animation or CGI they would easily make big profits. Instead most of the time they make them using generic animation and have childish stories.

I think a weapon X or x-men cartoon with an adult tone would be incredibly successful.

I think with enough talent put into one of those animation projects, you could even release the animated film in the theaters and people would see it.

Let's all ask for a Class-A animated Wolverine, with an R-Rating, to be released in the theater! 😄

Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
I agree. It's definitely a disappointing, Wolverine movie but as for being just another conventional action movie it is satisfying. However, i don't think it ever becomes anything more than standard. After about halfway through the movie i stopped watching for the story and found myself waiting only for the next action sequence. This isn't to say the story is a complete waist. It's certainly more coherent and deep than the last Wolverine movie but i don't feel the potential was ever realized. I think that can also be said for the action. Although some of the action was thrilling some of it felt uninspired, at least when you consider the type of characters the Director had to work with.

I don't mean to condemn the movie and i would in fact recommend it to those that seem interested. If you're on the fence i would say pass or wait for dvd. If you were excited to see this and haven't gotten around to doing so yet ii'm sure you'll have a good time.

I can agree with this. Though I did find myself having a good time with the movie I do feel it had potential to be something greater. Also

Spoiler:
Why did Wolverine have to go back to bone claws again. I know it works out in the plot and all but I just don't like seeing them
. Furthermore I think I've been spoiled by MoS action cause I felt that some of the action sequences in this movie were lacking a bit though the movie did its job by being entertaining...and better than Origins.

Before I forget I will say that

Spoiler:
The end credit scene with Magneto and Charles was definitely worth the price of admission mostly because I like seeing Gandalf
🙂

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Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Before I forget I will say that
Spoiler:
The end credit scene with Magneto and Charles was definitely worth the price of admission mostly because I like seeing Gandalf
🙂

I agree. That was the most enjoyable part of the film, by far. That scene, alone, taken as an island, was a 9 out of 10. It makes me think that the really could have done much much better on film.

When I saw the two screenwriters names pop up on the screen, I was like, "So THOSE are the two ****s that wrote a piece of shit film?"

Wolverine doesn't really need a R rating on a movie to be successful

just take a look at when Marvel had that Comics code thing on their comics back in the day.

I thought the Hulk vs. Wolverine short film by Lionsgate was great for an animated film.

Originally posted by Kazenji
Wolverine doesn't really need a R rating on a movie to be successful

just take a look at when Marvel had that Comics code thing on their comics back in the day.

Something about a character that can be animalistically savage by literally cutting people to pieces strikes me as an R-rated character if ever put to a film.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
I thought the Hulk vs. Wolverine short film by Lionsgate was great for an animated film.

It was decent but lacked a certain finish that would make it sell really big. Naw what I mean?