Unicron Vs John Mcclane, Korben Dallas, Joe Colton (G.I.Joe), and Butch(pulp fiction)

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Yes you did think nothing. I agree:
I just posted 3 very good and valid points.

There is nothing to show that they tear things apart no matter how hard you want them to.

The middle one is a possibility but we know they are around a lot of places.

The third one is just you saying well obviously since they didn't show it so they can't. They obviously possess the ability to tear apart if they so choose to based on the way they are designed.

ok, but again: baseless speculation is not evidence.

Originally posted by focus4chumps
ok, but again: baseless speculation is not evidence.

It's not baseless, it's based on physics and the design of the pinchers.

And the Bruce's are still inferior to the team that was in the movie and getting overwhelmed.

So how again are these 4 exosuited Bruce's going to defeat Unicron? They don't have the matrix, so for those saying that they'll win... well, how exactly are they going to do it?

I doubt they can do any better than the Tranformers that were in Unicron.

Human in Exosuit << Transformer

Plus you have Galvatron waiting inside Unicron somewhere, and I don't think even 4 of them can handle Galvatron.

here newjack. more hypothesis-damning visual evidence. when you dance around it, try mixing it up this time. salsa? oh wait, the tango!

so much for blaster-arm-size gimping.

shall we proceed to more reasonable discussion or shall we continue kicking that dead horse?

Originally posted by Newjak
No you didn't. One them relies of them never touching the Willises that's not an inability to tear someone apart, that is just lacking the opportunity.

The middle one is a possibility but we know they are around a lot of places.

The third one is just you saying well obviously since they didn't show it so they can't. They obviously possess the ability to tear apart if they so choose to based on the way they are designed.

Nope (A) ties in with (B) and (C) especially as they were shootable, and evadable, like blasting through a wall and the subsequent massive flood providing escape for example... (which also showed how fragile the innards of Unicron are, (in conjunction with being able to throw Galvatron through him, and things like the amount of damage that Arcee, and the Dinobots inflicted, along with Quintesson ships through the eye, and being made of materials that Daniel's exosuit could shoot through, like that Vat cover rod etc)

(B) They were shown in one place and one place only..
So we cannot safely assume that they are about a lot of places.

(C) Which is my perfectly reasonable reaction to you attributing feats like shredding opponents to something not even remotely shown to be able to do that.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Nope (A) ties in with (B) and (C) especially as they were shootable, and evadable, like blasting through a wall and the subsequent massive flood providing escape for example... (which also showed how fragile the innards of Unicron are, (in conjunction with being able to throw Galvatron through him, and things like the amount of damage that Arcee, and the Dinobots inflicted, along with Quintesson ships through the eye, and being made of materials that Daniel's exosuit could shoot through, like that Vat cover rod etc)

(B) They were shown in one place and one place only..
So we cannot safely assume that they are about a lot of places.

(C) Which is my perfectly reasonable reaction to you attributing feats like shredding opponents to something not even remotely shown to be able to do that.

troll!!!!

Galvatron getting thrown took an incredible amount of force only possible due to Hot Rod's transformation into Rodimus Prime. Which is proven considering Galvatron was soaring through space for months before crash landing in a lava pit on a planet some distance away from Unicron.

and what of a mere pistol cracking open unicron's...bladder? (whatever that water container was.) a fluke? doesnt count? super-duper-megatron-raping pistol?

Weak spot perhaps. I dunno. I'm not denying it happened, because that'd be silly. Just like saying, "Oh, we only saw internal defenses in this one spot, so he must not have any anywhere else, despite him being bigger than most known planets and only a few parts are shown due to it being a movie with time constraints!!" Especially since when Perceptor and a few other Autobots shrunk to miscroscopic size and went inside Megatron, he had internal defenses as well.

But the fact of the matter is that in pretty much every iteration of comics/movies/cartoons/video games that involve Unicron, the only way to defeat him is the Autobot Matrix of Leadership, or being attacked head on by his brother, Primus, who is actually a transformed Cybertron.

So while he may be able to be damaged, he certainly can't be stopped or destroyed without it. In some continuities he can even heal damage done to him in moments.

And are you stating you don't believe Hot Rod evolving into Rodiums gave him a massive power boost? Despite Optimus' "spirit" telling him to arise and take on the mantle of Prime(which always makes a person strong), him becoming visibly larger and more menacing looking, him being able to easily overpower Galvatron when the weaker form of Megatron was sonning him in the beginning of the movie. And Galvatron hurtling through space uncontrollably for months before a planet's gravity well finally caught him.

Originally posted by KingD19
Weak spot perhaps. I dunno. I'm not denying it happened, because that'd be silly.

right. because it was on screen and there for all to see. one would have to be a troll or complete drooling idiot to deny it.

Originally posted by KingD19
Just like saying, "Oh, we only saw internal defenses in this one spot, so he must not have any anywhere else, despite him being bigger than most known planets and only a few parts are shown due to it being a movie with time constraints!!"

nice false equivalency. equating the simple acknowledgment of blatant fact with you blindly assuming 'known unknowns'. 😂 nice try mr. rumsfeld.

Originally posted by KingD19
Especially since when Perceptor and a few other Autobots shrunk to miscroscopic size and went inside Megatron, he had internal defenses as well.

But the fact of the matter is that in pretty much every iteration of comics/movies/cartoons/video games that involve Unicron, the only way to defeat him is the Autobot Matrix of Leadership, or being attacked head on by his brother, Primus, who is actually a transformed Cybertron.

how utterly irrelevant. thank you

Originally posted by KingD19
So while he may be able to be damaged, he certainly can't be stopped or destroyed without it. In some continuities he can even heal damage done to him in moments.

baseless pontification and non-canon wasting of time.

Originally posted by KingD19
And are you stating you don't believe Hot Rod evolving into Rodiums gave him a massive power boost?

...which enabled him to throw galvatron? certainly.

...which just barely crossed your baseless arbitrary threshold of unicron's structural tolerance? what clownishness.

Originally posted by KingD19
Despite Optimus' "spirit" telling him to arise and take on the mantle of Prime(which always makes a person strong), him becoming visibly larger and more menacing looking, him being able to easily overpower Galvatron when the weaker form of Megatron was sonning him in the beginning of the movie. And Galvatron hurtling through space uncontrollably for months before a planet's gravity well finally caught him.

this has nothing at all to do with unicron's internal strengths/weaknesses

boy you sure type a lot for not having made a single valid standing point.

And all you do is call bs and insult posters who don't agree with you. So I doubt anything you say can be held valid. Point is, Unicron wins, despite you thinking he doesn't. Have a nice day.

what a surprise.

once again your house of cards blows over and once again its "waaaaaah u troll!!! i'm still right!!!" *rage quit* baby

Originally posted by focus4chumps
and what of a mere pistol cracking open unicron's...bladder? (whatever that water container was.) a fluke? doesnt count? super-duper-megatron-raping pistol?

oh right. thanks for bringing up arcee's pistol.

...oh wait you didnt see what you did and will go on ignoring the above posted visual evidence of scale which blow apart your speculation on the exosuit blaster arm scale (based on wishes and seeming ignorance of 3 point perspective).

just *whoops* dodged it. nice bro 👆

well you can just scroll up if you feel like behaving like a grown-up and see for yourself....again. after all i cannot quote my own post or that means i conceited. just ask quanchina

Originally posted by focus4chumps
oh right. thanks for bringing up arcee's pistol.

...oh wait you didnt see what you did and will go on ignoring the above posted visual evidence of scale which blow apart your speculation on the exosuit blaster arm scale (based on wishes and seeming ignorance of 3 point perspective).

just *whoops* dodged it. nice bro 👆

well you can just scroll up if you feel like behaving like a grown-up and see for yourself....again. after all i cannot quote my own post or that means i conceited. just ask quanchina

But I will do it one more time. Basically those pictures show Arcee's pistol is roughly the size of her forearm with a little bit of her hand added on, and that her forearm plus hand is roughly the size of the Exo's arm definitely over half of it.

I don't know what else to say. Your evidence really isn't evidence that supports what you say. Also for a little exercise why don't you look at a picture of Arcee holding her gun and Daniel with his Exosuit blasters out. That should make for a fun comparison.

Originally posted by Newjak
Arcee's pistol is roughly the size of her forearm with a little bit of her hand added on

😂

i only posted this once...weil this will make it twice but how would you know or care since you opened your post by admitting you are ignoring visual evidence. (and I'M the 'troll'. lol) lets not even start on your ridiculous underscaling of the exo-arm.

but again, your overscaling of her pistol is complete balderdash

Originally posted by focus4chumps
😂

i only posted this once...weil this will make it twice but how would you know or care since you opened your post by admitting you are ignoring visual evidence. (and I'M the 'troll'. lol) lets not even start on your ridiculous underscaling of the exo-arm.

but again, your overscaling of her pistol is complete balderdash

and here is one more of her gun and her arm next to Daniel

The gun is obviously the size of her forearm plus a little bit of her hand based on her hands compare to the gun. Also clearly her forearm and hand are roughly the size of the Exosuits arm.

Just like in all the other pics you are posting.

lol posts an angle with the arms out of frame 😂

you will go to any lengths to avoid the shot of her holding the exosuit, as you know it proves you flat wrong.

also i love how you went from "forearm and hand" to "forearm to first knukle", and now its just "forearm" and im supposed to pretend i missed it all.

Originally posted by focus4chumps
lol posts an angle with the arms out of frame 😂

you will go to any lengths to avoid the shot of her holding the exosuit, as you know it proves you flat wrong.

also i love how you went from "forearm and hand" to "forearm to first knukle", and now its just "forearm" and im supposed to pretend i missed it all.

I'm not avoiding the shot of her holding the exosuit. I keep telling you even in those pictures everything I've said stays true while what you say is wrong.

Her hand in that pic alone is as big as the upper portion of the arm.