Wbh Vs B&t Thor

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Yeah, but I am betting that .01% chance of victory would have not been due to only brute force; I am betting that would have been because of the possibility of them finding a creative solution to defeating him that wasnt all brute force...

WBH wins.

@ thelordofMurder. that determination cannot be made either..because the level of brute force in those two instances you mentioned is not the ultimate level of Brute force achievable and is quite frankly less than what WBh is capable of outputting. No way you can then claim that thor is unbeatable by brute force.....

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Not only that, we have evidence to the contrary, with PG-Thanos being hurt by both Thor and Wolverine in Infinity Gauntlet.

Exactly. Much of the hype surrounding power gem Thor in this thread is pretty baseless.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
That's the realm of speculation. You made 2 claims in this thread:
a)The PG makes one invulnerable
b)The PG makes one unbeatable
As it stands, there is definitive evidence disproving both these assertions.

WBH wins.

I've already taken the one about it making you invulnerable back, but there is definitely evidence to support the conclusion that the PG makes you unbeatable...

Look at what happened when Warlock and Satrnge were trying to put Thor down; because of the Gem, he couldnt lose...it restored him to full strength AND turned their energies back on them at the same time.

What happens if the PG turns Hulks strength against him while constantly restoring Thor to full health?

Hulk eventually goes down...thats what.

And just to get back to the Champoin with the Gem, Thanos even states that the PG makes you unbeatable; I am about to dig out my old issue of Thanos's Quest right now...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
I've already taken the one about it making you invulnerable back, but there is definitely evidence to support the conclusion that the PG makes you unbeatable...

Look at what happened when Warlock and Satrnge were trying to put Thor down; because of the Gem, he couldnt lose...it restored him to full strength AND turned their energies back on them at the same time.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder

What happens if the PG turns Hulks strength against him while constantly restoring Thor to full health?

What happens when Hulk cleanly connects Thor with one of his haymaker blows?

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder

Hulk eventually goes down...thats what.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder

And just to get back to the Champoin with the Gem, Thanos even states that the PG makes you unbeatable; I am about to dig out my old issue of Thanos's Quest right now...

Ok...

On page 21 of the Thanos Quest (book one), Thanos talks about the gem, but doesnt say quite what I thought he said; he basically says that the denizens of the world the Champion was on would never defeat him because the gem provides limitless power and can be used to augment any force...

So yeah, it doesnt say that it makes you unbeatable by force, but we have examples that point in that direction...

And so what WBH is above both Warlock and Strange, the PG is part of the Core of GODS might; you are dreaming if you think WBH could match that gem indefinitely...

The PG has shown to be capable of restoring its wearer to full strength and we know that its potentially far more powerful than WBH...

With that in mind, I cant see how Thor loses...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
On page 21 of the Thanos Quest (book one), Thanos talks about the gem, but doesnt say quite what I thought he said; he basically says that the denizens of the world the Champion was on would never defeat him because the gem provides limitless power and can be used to augment any force...

So yeah, it doesnt say that it makes you unbeatable by force, but we have examples that point in that direction...

And so what WBH is above both Warlock and Strange, the PG is part of the Core of GODS might; you are dreaming if you think WBH could match that gem indefinitely...

The PG has shown to be capable of restoring its wearer to full strength and we know that its potentially far more powerful than WBH...

With that in mind, I cant see how Thor loses...

We also have at least one counter-example(with the wielder in question being acknowledged as one of the most competent users of an Infinity Gem) for that case as well.

"GOD'S MIGHT". I guess someone hasn't read Hickman's retcon. The Infinity Being/Nemesis entity is no longer the Supreme Being of Marvel.

Hulk is known to amp off rage, and WBH was the most enraged/non-holding back/cutting lose incarnation of the character we've seen on-panel.

With that in mind, I can't see how WBH loses here...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Yeah, but Thor was slowly, but steadily, tapping into the gems might...

According to Eternity Thor would have eventually become a threat to the entire universe if he wasnt stopped...

Oh definitely. He had infinite power at his disposal. And seeing as how Thanos assured that himself and his team of heralds were dead meat when Thor broke out...

There is no doubt that the power-gem is no instant-effect thing.

The Infinity Gauntlet and just about any incident involving them has made that clear. As so it makes a huge difference whether or not Thor is at the point where he has just picked up the gem (Hulk can beat him) or nearing the end of his rampage, at which point I think it would have gone too far.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Irrelevant, as Champion doesn't have any feats that re beyond WBH's scope to achieve.

We also have at least one counter-example(with the wielder in question being acknowledged as one of the most competent users of an Infinity Gem) for that case as well.

"GOD'S MIGHT". I guess someone hasn't read Hickman's retcon. The Infinity Being/Nemesis entity is no longer the Supreme Being of Marvel.

Hulk is known to amp off rage, and WBH was the most enraged/non-holding back/cutting lose incarnation of the character we've seen on-panel.

With that in mind, I can't see how WBH loses here...

When I speak of the PG as the core of gods might, its in reference to its origin story; I am fully aware that its been retconned...

Still, you cant seriously be arguing that WBH is on par with core might of a high end cosmic entity (which the Inifinity Being would be post retcon); thats balony...

I guess we agree to disagree; you believe WBH wins...I believe PG Thor wins.

Thor with PG is going to be the victor.

WBHulk + Anger + Gamma = Potential for near-limitless strength.

Thor + Power Gem = Limitless strength PLUS limitless power added to his entire arsenal and list of abilities. Because that is how the gem works.

Originally posted by Horrificus
Thor with PG is going to be the victor.

WBHulk + Anger + Gamma = Potential for near-limitless strength.

Thor + Power Gem = Limitless strength PLUS limitless power added to his entire arsenal and list of abilities. Because that is how the gem works.

thor does not have limitless strength. it's ten times baseline.

WBH wins

Originally posted by Raisen
thor does not have limitless strength. it's ten times baseline.

WBH wins

You do know that Thor has the Power Gem in this senario?

Originally posted by Horrificus
Thor with PG is going to be the victor.

WBHulk + Anger + Gamma = Potential for near-limitless strength.

Thor + Power Gem = Limitless strength PLUS limitless power added to his entire arsenal and list of abilities. Because that is how the gem works.

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Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
You do know that Thor has the Power Gem in this senario?

For some reason I thought this was only Warrior Madness Thor. Examining further, i realize B & T Thor didn't even have Warrior's Madness. I'm all messed up on this. Thanks for the heads up. I'm not sure about this one now....