Originally posted by Rao Kal El
In other words, Gladiator was jobbing. Unless you think in reality cannonball had a shot to win.
During that fight in the book, when did Cannonball have a shot at winning? Again, him redirecting Gladiator power at him isn't him having a shot at winning. Him being able to budge Gladiator with Gladiator own power isn't him having a shot at winning. That's like me saying "Batman had a shot at beating an amped Superman since he was able to flip him off a cliff (use his own leverage against him) during mid blitz". Does that even make sense to you?
Anyhow weather this both characters have or not a jobber aura around them the main issue is who will win.
I do also believe that Glads is faster and stronger, but MMH makes up for that disadvantage with his versatility, but the main factor is the tp.
I think MMH has better chances to win considering all this factors, though i def can see Glads pulling some upsets vs the martian.
@Sin...
Didn't MM die before the reboot when he was inside the sun IIRC? I don't think you know what you are talking about.
Also, what elite Herald did Gladiator fight? He fought Masterson and was destroying him until Masterson backstabbed him with living lightning. He defeated a Phoenix Avatar. The Thor fight isn't canon to Gladiator. While weakened, he withstood an assault from Tyrant while the rest was two to 3 shotted. He never had the opportunity to fight any high Heralds.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Anyhow weather this both characters have or not a jobber around them the main issue is who will win.I do also believe that Glads is faster and stronger, but MMH makes up for that disadvantage with his versatility, but the main factor is the tp.
I think MMH has better chances to win considering all this factors, though i def can see Glads pulling some upsets vs the martian.
I agree unless Gladiator decides to blitz during the beginning of the fight and yes, that is in character for him.
Originally posted by carver9
Because it was shown on panel that Gladiator trained his entire life on how to balance his confidence.
and yet it's still a stated vulnerability of his. a mindrape's best chance of success is if involves his confidence.
Originally posted by carver9
@Sin...Didn't MM die before the reboot when he was inside the sun IIRC? I don't think you know what you are talking about.
Also, what elite Herald did Gladiator fight? He fought Masterson and was destroying him until Masterson backstabbed him with living lightning. He defeated a Phoenix Avatar. The Thor fight isn't canon to Gladiator. While weakened, he withstood an assault from Tyrant while the rest was two to 3 shotted. He never had the opportunity to fight any high Heralds.
when did jonn die inside the sun, exactly?
Originally posted by carver9
I agree unless Gladiator decides to blitz during the beginning of the fight and yes, that is in character for him.
kallark isn't fast enough to blitz jonn.
This one could go either way, because both have the power to exploit the others weakness.
In a brawl, I'd go with Gladiator being the more dominant of the two.
J'onn's TP assaults could bring this to an abrupt ending however.
Gladiator's heat, or laser vision, could turn this into a stomp on his side.
I say split.
Originally posted by carver9
@Sin...Didn't MM die before the reboot when he was inside the sun IIRC? I don't think you know what you are talking about.
Also, what elite Herald did Gladiator fight? He fought Masterson and was destroying him until Masterson backstabbed him with living lightning. He defeated a Phoenix Avatar. The Thor fight isn't canon to Gladiator. While weakened, he withstood an assault from Tyrant while the rest was two to 3 shotted. He never had the opportunity to fight any high Heralds.
i have no clue what your talking about.....iirc that never happened he "died" a different way
masterson is a scrub......next
if your talking about about rachel grey thats a wash
thor is non-canon so DONT EVEN BRING IT UP
and lol at tyrant... reread that "fight"
Originally posted by Stoic
This one could go either way, because both have the power to exploit the others weakness.In a brawl, I'd go with Gladiator being the more dominant of the two.
J'onn's TP assaults could bring this to an abrupt ending however.
Gladiator's heat, or laser vision, could turn this into a stomp on his side.
I say split.
stop mentioning a brawl...this isnt a brawl
true
no....invisi/intangi or counter with martian vision or all three at once
and no
Originally posted by Sin I AM
i have no clue what your talking about.....iirc that never happened he "died" a different waymasterson is a scrub......next
if your talking about about rachel grey thats a wash
thor is non-canon so DONT EVEN BRING IT UP
and lol at tyrant... reread that "fight"stop mentioning a brawl...this isnt a brawl
true
no....invisi/intangi or counter with martian vision or all three at once
and no
Gladiator is much faster than J'onn thhough. Also it could very easily become a brawl, after all both of them have used their fist. You want J'onn to win, that much is obvious, but Gladiator is no pushover.
Originally posted by carver9
CIS is on. 90% chance Jon is punching it out.
This is a forum fight. I say Jonn is punching it out less than 30% of the time.
But at least you are implying that if Jonn actually used his powers intelligently (as shown before) then he will beat Kallark.
Intangibility and TP are hard to counter for Kallark.
Originally posted by h1a8
This is a forum fight. I say Jonn is punching it out less than 30% of the time.But at least you are implying that if Jonn actually used his powers intelligently (as shown before) then he will beat Kallark.
Intangibility and TP are hard to counter for Kallark.
Debating like this, no one short of Odin is beating Surfer.
Originally posted by carver9
MM needed help moving a moon...Gladiator moves around planetary bodies solo.
Gladiator has nano second combat speed showings, has blitzed at light speed and has also flown 100 times the speed of light.
Gladiator has swam through Gas Giants...Gladiator has withstood a blast capable of destroying a solar system.MM doesn't have anything close to this. Sorry bro.
J'onn helped moving Earth, not moon. Gladiator needed Quasar and ronan to help him move an unknown planet off-panel. Neither makes one stronger, these types of feats are meaningless.
Gladiator was being matched by Hyperion in speed who even speed demon and quicksilver have blitzed. That's not a good feat for him. He's also never blitzed at lightspeed J'onn has blitzed martians all across the world and has gone punch for punch against a blitzing barry allen.
Which pushed his endurance to his limits. Gladiator tanking a nova which was going to destroy half a solar system is all good and dandy but this is also meaningless in determining who's more durable because its an outlier. On average gladiator has gone down to far less.
This is nothing but you stroking that purple mohawk again.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
has glads every mimicked supermans phasing trick?
Nope, he has blitzed around at invisible speeds though.
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